Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-28 Thread gary
I hate to be argumentative, but you can't be low drop out and use an emitter follower. Draw the circuit and convince yourself. You would need a high side driver scheme to drive the base/gate, and that require some sort of boost converter. It can be done on switchmode chips, but not in a linear

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-28 Thread David
The Linear Technology LT3070 (150mV @ 5A) , LT3071, LT1580 , and LT1581 (700 mV @ 10A) are examples: http://www.linear.com/product/LT1580 For comparison: http://www.linear.com/product/LT1584 The LT1580 (0.8V @ 7A) has the same topology as the LT1584 (1.5V @ 7A) except everything but the pass

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-27 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:59:21 -0800 Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net wrote: I hooked up a linear triple-output bench supply to run the Thunderbolt, and now the 8040C locked up perfectly on the 1 PPS signal. Since I don't want to tie up one of my bench power supplies to run the Thunderbolt, I

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-27 Thread gary
On 2/27/2012 12:48 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: If you are really time-nutty, you can let the DC/DC converters produce a voltage about 1V above what you need and use low noise LDOs (ie not the 78xx or LM317 Co) to produce the voltages for the thunderbolt. This should give you a 60-80dB damping

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-27 Thread Steve
Having designed LDO chips, people expect them to perform miracles well beyond reality. If you have a PNP pass and you are sitting near dropout, you get control loops that are an ugly combination of a path to keep the PNP from getting saturated plus one to control the voltage. I never

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-27 Thread Steve
Having designed LDO chips, people expect them to perform miracles well beyond reality. If you have a PNP pass and you are sitting near dropout, you get control loops that are an ugly combination of a path to keep the PNP from getting saturated plus one to control the voltage. I never

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-27 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:29:11 -0800 gary li...@lazygranch.com wrote: On 2/27/2012 12:48 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: If you are really time-nutty, you can let the DC/DC converters produce a voltage about 1V above what you need and use low noise LDOs (ie not the 78xx or LM317 Co) to produce

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-27 Thread lists
-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS Having designed LDO chips, people expect them to perform miracles well beyond reality. If you have a PNP pass and you are sitting near

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-27 Thread lists
: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:23:22 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS On Mon

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-27 Thread gary
-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS Having designed LDO chips, people expect them to perform miracles well beyond reality. If you have a PNP pass and you are sitting near dropout, you get

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-27 Thread Eric Lemmon
...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Attila Kinali Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 12:48 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:59:21 -0800 Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net wrote: I hooked up a linear

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-27 Thread ed breya
The PNP bipolar and P-channel MOSFET architectures do provide the best low-dropout performance, but as I understand, do not provide the best HF line rejection. Looking at the overall circuit - a high gain, band-limited amplifier driving a P pass device puts it in a common-base (or -gate) mode,

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-27 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Ed wrote: So, for best HF noise performance where the input noise may be large, it's best to use a follower or shunt regulator topology, despite the lower efficiency - unless efficiency is more important. To put it more bluntly, the last time I looked (it has been a while, so there may be

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-27 Thread gary
Well this is the granddaddy with 3V of dropout. Not much rejection at high frequency, but the design is old. Modern LDOs are better, especially with P-fet pass device. http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm317-n.pdf On 2/27/2012 9:13 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: Ed wrote: So, for best HF

[time-nuts] Power Supply Noise Affects Thunderbolt 1 PPS

2012-02-18 Thread Eric Lemmon
I recently acquired a Symmetricom 8040C Rubidium Standard, hoping to use one of my Thunderbolt GPSDOs to further refine its 10 MHz output. To my surprise, connecting the 1 PPS output to the 8040C did nothing- the 1 PPS SYNC indicator stayed dark. I hooked up my other Thunderbolt and got the

Re: [time-nuts] Power supply noise

2011-04-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:04:25 -0600 Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: Power supply noise and ripple has been mentioned before, in relation to OCXO's and rubidiums. So, what is considered acceptable in these applications? This highly depends on your system and what you want to achieve. Just

Re: [time-nuts] Power supply noise

2011-04-29 Thread Heathkid
- From: Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Power supply noise On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:04:25 -0600 Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: Power supply noise

Re: [time-nuts] Power supply noise

2011-04-29 Thread Max Robinson
: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Power supply noise ...and I used to think batteries were a good/clean source of power. They are better than a linear power supply... yet they make very good temperature sensors too! What is the perfect source of power? Clean, no ripple

[time-nuts] Power supply noise

2011-04-28 Thread Joseph Gray
Power supply noise and ripple has been mentioned before, in relation to OCXO's and rubidiums. So, what is considered acceptable in these applications? Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to