Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-29 Thread Peter Vince
Semiconductorstore.com also have the CW25-TIM at a cheaper price ($64 vs $89) and it is more sensitive, so can possibly work indoors. They both, apparently, use the same NavSync chips, so does the '25 have disadvantages I haven't spotted? Peter 2009/12/28 Hal Murray

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-29 Thread Peter Vince
-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference Semiconductorstore.com also have the CW25-TIM at a cheaper price ($64 vs $89) and it is more sensitive, so can possibly work indoors.  They both, apparently, use the same NavSync chips, so does the '25 have disadvantages I haven't spotted

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-29 Thread Bruce Griffiths
...@theiet.org Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:21 am Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference Semiconductorstore.com also have the CW25-TIM at a cheaper price ($64 vs $89) and it is more sensitive, so can possibly work indoors. They both, apparently, use the same

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-29 Thread Peter Vince
.  This is without sawtooth correction because this unit doesn't support it - even with the Motorola software. Ed - Original Message - From: Peter Vincepvi...@theiet.org Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:21 am Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bruce Griffiths wrote: -185dBW = -155dBm so both sensitivity measures are equivalent. But -185 dB(something) looks more impressive than -155 dB(something). Specsmanship... indeed. I also spoted this detail. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
Peter Vince wrote: Oh Good Lord - not paying attention to the units! Sorry guys! This is exactly what they wanted to achieve, but the good thing is that more people got to become aware of it, so something good came out of that misstake. At least something good came out of it. When

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-28 Thread Robert Atkinson
.   Robert G8RPI. --- On Mon, 28/12/09, Giuseppe Marullo giuse...@marullo.it wrote: From: Giuseppe Marullo giuse...@marullo.it Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Date: Monday, 28 December

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-28 Thread Eamon Skelton
Giuseppe Marullo wrote: Hi all, just subscribed, I would like a quick advice on a 10MHz reference for calibrating my instruments and for fun. In particular, I would like to know if you could give me advice on EFRATOM FRS-A,FRS-C, DATUM LPRO-101, Thunderbolt and such. I would prefer a GPSDO

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-28 Thread SAL CORNACCHIA
and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Cc: giuseppe.maru...@iname.com Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 5:14:49 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference Hi Giuseppe, Welcome to the group. If you are already happy constructing equipment and have basic test gear ('scope, DMM

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-28 Thread Giuseppe Marullo
Robert, Welcome to the group. Thank you and all the others, you are giving me a lot of informations. BTW, my provider retrieved my emails so I am fully operational (at least I hope). while I did not originally envision building this kind of equipment, I could do it while it lies well within

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-28 Thread Richard W. Solomon
Does the factory sell direct in small quantities ? 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: Eamon Skelton nos...@oceanfree.net Sent: Dec 28, 2009 6:15 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-28 Thread mike cook
of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference Does the factory sell direct in small quantities ? 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: Eamon Skelton nos

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-28 Thread Eamon Skelton
Richard W. Solomon wrote: Does the factory sell direct in small quantities ? 73, Dick, W1KSZ I don't think so. I live in Cork, Ireland. Navsync are in Shannon about 70 miles from here. I ordered my CW12-TIM from Cutter Electronics in Australia. As they were out of stock at the time, I had to

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-28 Thread Robert Atkinson
.   --- On Mon, 28/12/09, SAL CORNACCHIA salc...@rogers.com wrote: From: SAL CORNACCHIA salc...@rogers.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Date: Monday, 28 December, 2009, 15:32 Hi Robert

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-28 Thread Stanley Reynolds
snip Maybe a GPSDO myself, who knows...wondering if this could be done all digital, without using a DAC, without using a driving voltage for a OCXO. Giuseppe   Symmetricom made a OXCO that had the DAC built-in so it was controlled by a digital interface. But it is hard to find, seen them on

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-28 Thread SAL CORNACCHIA
28, 2009 12:07:21 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference Hi Sal, No it does not have a 10MHz output. However to calibrate an oscillator that is very close to 10MHz you can use the 1PPS output to adjust it exactly. Trigger a 'scope with the 1PPS while monitoring

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-28 Thread Hal Murray
Does the factory sell direct in small quantities ? From here (California), googling for Navsync CW12-TIM finds: http://www.semiconductorstore.com/pages/asp/supplier.asp?pl=0138gclid=CL_G5ar W-Z4CFU1M5Qod1XNWLA (Sorry for the line wrap.) -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-28 Thread Ed Palmer
: Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net Date: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:44 am Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference Does the factory sell direct in small quantities ? From here (California), googling for Navsync CW12-TIM finds: http

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Giuseppe Marullo wrote: Robert, Welcome to the group. Thank you and all the others, you are giving me a lot of informations. BTW, my provider retrieved my emails so I am fully operational (at least I hope). while I did not originally envision building this kind of equipment, I could do it

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Your budget is going to make things tough. A Thunderbolt needs a triple supply (+12, -12, and +5) to operate. It also needs a GPS antenna of some sort. The Rubidiums all need a supply and a heat sink. Some of them like the FRS-A need unusual connectors. They all need to be operated

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-27 Thread Jim Palfreyman
And started down the dark path you have. You will not have to wait long before you completely succumb to the dark side. Jim Palfreyman 2009/12/28 Bob Camp li...@cq.nu: Hi Your budget is going to make things tough. A Thunderbolt needs a triple supply (+12, -12, and +5) to operate. It also

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-27 Thread Giuseppe Marullo
Thanks a lot to all for your quick answer. Rubinium should be good for my needs, but buying it surplus makes me think I could get something very used (and abused) and it does not have the self correcting thing thunderbolt has. GPSDO gives me also the time, maybe with a supercool LCD display.

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-27 Thread Hal Murray
giuse...@marullo.it said: Do you know exactly the power requirement? On Ebay I read 15W then few mA on each branch (board only). Something is not clear to me. http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tbolt/power.htm Lots more Thunderbolt info here: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tapr-tbolt/ --

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-27 Thread WB6BNQ
Hi Giuseppe, I think you would be better served with the Thunderbolt as it is both a GPS and an oscillator, that is it is a GPSDO. Last I remember, an eBay user Flukel (the last character is a lower case L) was spoken of, on this list, as being a reliable Chinese vendor. He had oscillators,

Re: [time-nuts] Timenoob - Cheap and simple 10MHz reference

2009-12-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The simple answer on the supply is that there are a couple of answers. Very little current is pulled from the -12 supply. I can not imagine a supply that would not keep up with the -12 requirement. The +12 supply mainly runs the OCXO in the unit. Since it's running an oven, the power will