Re: [time-nuts] Rb Oscillator - rather fundamental question

2010-02-24 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Kasper Pedersen at 24/02/10 17:44... It will. Set the fuses as you would have for a 10MHz crystal, and capacitively couple the source to XTAL1. Leave XTAL2 open. Do not set the fuses for 'external clock mode'. Do put something like 100pF+1k Ohm in series with the input. While they

[time-nuts] Wrist Watch for Time Nuts

2010-02-24 Thread David
Something for the more adventurous, link your wrist watch to your own time standards. TI have brought out a 'sports watch' based development system, the 'eZ430-Chronos' based on their 430 processor. It includes an RF data link so you should be able to write code to automatically sync the watch to

Re: [time-nuts] Wrist Watch for Time Nuts

2010-02-24 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth David at 24/02/10 19:35... Something for the more adventurous, link your wrist watch to your own time standards. TI have brought out a 'sports watch' based development system, the 'eZ430-Chronos' based on their 430 processor. It includes an RF data link so you should be able to write code

Re: [time-nuts] Primary Standards...

2010-02-24 Thread Mike S
At 07:46 PM 2/23/2010, Rick Karlquist wrote... The TAI is a weighted average to improve short term stability and to average out random frequency errors. IOW, there is a variance from clock to clock. So, if there are 80 different clocks, are there 80 different seconds, or 80 imperfect

Re: [time-nuts] Primary Standards...

2010-02-24 Thread Rob Kimberley
Yes, and no.. Time as we know it (UTC) is coordinated at the BIPM in Paris between observations from primary standards at contributing laboratories and also earth rotation measurements. Each lab contributing will at any time (excuse the pun) have a small time offset with regard to UTC. E.g. time

Re: [time-nuts] Primary Standards...

2010-02-24 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 2/24/10 4:38 AM, Rob Kimberley r...@timing-consultants.com wrote: Yes, and no.. Time as we know it (UTC) is coordinated at the BIPM in Paris between observations from primary standards at contributing laboratories and also earth rotation measurements. Each lab contributing will at any

Re: [time-nuts] Primary Standards...

2010-02-24 Thread Tom Holmes, N8ZM
Dave... I went back and checked in my college Physics textbook, Halliday Resnick, Vol. II, circa 1960, and you are correct about the Ampere being defined based on the force between two parallel wires. However, HR does not specify a vacuum nor negligible wire cross section. The latter seems

Re: [time-nuts] Wrist Watch for Time Nuts

2010-02-24 Thread paul swed
That is indeed neat. Just no time for another project to tinker with. $49 quite the deal Whats funny is it eats a battery at least every 6 months for average use. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Matthew Smith m...@smiffytech.com wrote: Quoth David at 24/02/10 19:35... Something for the more

Re: [time-nuts] 5071A question

2010-02-24 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
When the 5071A product line was sold to Symmetricom ~4 years ago, the production manager and his team of 15 moved with the product. The manager left Symmetricom a few years ago, and recently most of the rest of the team left Symmetricom. The 5071A will now be made on the east coast at the

Re: [time-nuts] Wrist Watch for Time Nuts

2010-02-24 Thread Robert Darlington
Which means a battery every month for somebody actively developing projects that talk to wireless sensor networks. Still not a bad deal. -Bob On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:08 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: That is indeed neat. Just no time for another project to tinker with. $49 quite

Re: [time-nuts] Wrist Watch for Time Nuts

2010-02-24 Thread paul swed
2 big alligator clips to an external supply. Limitless operation. Maybe a 6v car battery and regulator. Worn around the waste get the cardio up On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Robert Darlington rdarling...@gmail.comwrote: Which means a battery every month for somebody actively developing

Re: [time-nuts] Wrist Watch for Time Nuts

2010-02-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A square foot of solar cells fashioned into geek stylish hat would keep it running for quite a while. - Has anybody actually poked at one of these yet? Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] Primary Standards...

2010-02-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One significant point there about BIPM - earth rotation measurements. UTC is not a straight count of standard seconds. Somebody has to decide when to slip it to match our wobbly planet. Not because of an error in the second, it's the planet that's not stable enough... -- Stuff that's

Re: [time-nuts] Primary Standards...

2010-02-24 Thread Ian Sheffield
In my checkered past, I once legally owned, for about two minutes between signatures, the British Standard Pound weight. It was a bar of platinum. I confess I did wonder how easy it would be to sell a pound of platinum, as it would have been a bit difficult to cut it up... - Original

Re: [time-nuts] Primary standard again

2010-02-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
Rick Karlquist wrote: If you want to get technical, the frequency of a cesium standard also depends on the gravitational acceleration, but for relativistic reasons, not newtonian physics. Any decent cesium is accurate enough that it will noticably speed up at NIST in Boulder. NIST's best

Re: [time-nuts] Primary Standards...

2010-02-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 20100223214204.eae71117...@hamburg.alientech.net, Mike S writes: renamed, since the discussion has shifted. In the time and frequency field, the term primary standard is sometimes used to refer to any cesium oscillator, [...] That rhymes with and Karls

[time-nuts] Low noise voltage regulators

2010-02-24 Thread Neville Michie
Hi, I remember a reference, probably by Bruce, that LEDS provide a low noise voltage reference. I am proposing to build a voltage regulator for a thermally controlled LPRO rubidium oscillator, with the voltage regulator being mounted on the 0.5 inch thick aluminium heat sink plate. The LEDS

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise voltage regulators

2010-02-24 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Neville Michie at 2010-02-25 08:27... ...the LM317 output would provide a low noise power source? What would be better? Can't give you a proper answer, but the last time I saw this type of question raised, someone pointed me to a linear regulator made from discrete components, designed

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise voltage regulators

2010-02-24 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi neville: My old Gibbs rack mount 5 MHz standard used the LM723 linear regulator. I believe it's one of the lowest noise regulators you can use. http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM723.html#Overview Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Neville Michie wrote: Hi, I remember a

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise voltage regulators

2010-02-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4b85a2eb.4000...@pacific.net, Brooke Clarke writes: My old Gibbs rack mount 5 MHz standard used the LM723 linear regulator. I believe it's one of the lowest noise regulators you can use. http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM723.html#Overview If you really want to get low noise, you do

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise voltage regulators

2010-02-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Since the LPRO has a noisy 3 terminal regulator inside it, making the outside voltage quiet (as in noise density) probably will not help much. Keeping the voltage *stable* will indeed help things. I think you need a high stability linear regulator rather than a low noise one. One other thing

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise voltage regulators

2010-02-24 Thread Arnold Tibus
Hi, NS gives some informations about improvements in their AN-173.pdf http://www.national.com/ds.cgi/LM/LM117.pdf Audio freaks are discussing it in http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/28978-improving-lm3x7-regulator-circuit.html Is that what you are looking for? 73 Arnold On Thu, 25 Feb

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise voltage regulators

2010-02-24 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bob Camp wrote: Hi Since the LPRO has a noisy 3 terminal regulator inside it, making the outside voltage quiet (as in noise density) probably will not help much. I've seen people insist on a low noise regulator ahead of a fluxgate magnetometer that used an LM7805 regulator. The plastic

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise voltage regulators

2010-02-24 Thread Didier Juges
The original 723 (I remember the uA723 made by Fairchild, I still have a couple of 30 year old parts here) had a buried Zener and was considered pretty quiet at the time. I am not sure how it would compare with today's low noise references, but the last time I checked, it was pretty good,

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise voltage regulators

2010-02-24 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The LM723 from STMicroelectronics still uses a buried zener and its typical noise specs about 4x less noisy than the National part. With an LM329 4reference it should be about 2x quieter than the ST version. Bruce Didier Juges wrote: The original 723 (I remember the uA723 made by Fairchild, I

[time-nuts] Tbolt OCXO

2010-02-24 Thread Pete Rawson
I'm trying to identify the OCXO in my Tbolt; hoping that it's one of the newer parts, as in the TAPR units. Is there a P/N, or other obvious means of identifying the newer, low noise OCXOs? Pete Rawson ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Wrist Watch for Time Nuts

2010-02-24 Thread MOSEL, Sam
CR2032, expensive at the store but cheap online: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.751 Good value even if 75% of them are poor (which is unlikely). -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Robert Darlington Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise voltage regulators

2010-02-24 Thread Bruce Griffiths
I meant something like the attached circuit schematic for an LM723 based 15V regulator. The circuit can be easily extended to use an external pass transistor where more current is needed. The LM329 is biased from the regulator output which improves the reference line rejection. The 723's

Re: [time-nuts] Wrist Watch for Time Nuts

2010-02-24 Thread Matt Osborn
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:03:32 -0500, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi A square foot of solar cells fashioned into geek stylish hat would keep it running for quite a while. - Has anybody actually poked at one of these yet? Bob The MSP430F5438 combined with a Zarlink ZL70250 RF transceiver

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise voltage regulators

2010-02-24 Thread WB6BNQ
Bruce, Why not just use a diode in place of the 2M3904 circuit ? Seems like it would do the same thing with less parts. Also, would not the Texas Instruments TL-431 be a better choice as it has a lower noise spec them the LM329 part. In addition, with its adjustable nature, the TL-431 would

Re: [time-nuts] Mitsubishi GPS antenna data

2010-02-24 Thread Ray Hudson
Nigel, I bet there is more than a few companies re-badging these things. That photo of the HP base and two screw clamp is exactly the same as the VIC100, The PCB in the VIC100 is flat and you could have a puck cover like the HP, the VIC100 pointy shape cover is designed as a snow retardant