Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Rob Kimberley
Try http://www.symmetricom.com/media/files/downloads/product-datasheets/DS_SA.22 c.pdf Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Dr. David Kirkby Sent: 23 May 2011 9:20 AM To: Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread John Miles
How about a CSAC? Those pretty much are rubidium clocks, only with cesium vapor. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 1:32 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Rob Kimberley
I see that part of the hyperlink got missed on last message. Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: 23 May 2011 9:32 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread WB6BNQ
David, Besides the Symmetricom SA22c unit which can be found here : http://www.symmetricom.com/products/frequency-references/rubidium-frequency-standard/SA22c/ There is also the Frequency Electronics Inc. unit FE-5650 which is very much the same size and can be found here :

[time-nuts] Allan Variance vs. Least squares

2011-05-23 Thread Olaf Bossen
Hi there, I am looking for some advice on stability metrics for a slow oscillator. The oscillator is used to do a measurement of another quantity which is connected to the frequency of the Oscillator. I have taken generously oversampled data of the oscillator voltage and now I have two

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 05/23/11 09:31 AM, Rob Kimberley wrote: Try http://www.symmetricom.com/media/files/downloads/product-datasheets/DS_SA.22 c.pdf Rob Kimberley Thank you. I don't have know what board area I have available, but I think think its going to be considerably less than that size. I think the only

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread paul swed
I believe thats because RB and CS have cavities that essentially establish the operating size, because they work at a given frequency. You have to go to a different technology method to reduce its size, like the new Symmetricom CS oscillator. Still overall pretty darned amazing in size and power

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Rob Kimberley
I couldn't resist commenting about how top posting annoys you. Interestingly, I have always top posted ever since my first email way, way back. Everyone else I dealt with in business did it that way. It wasn't until I got involved with groups like this, that it apparently became a problem. It

Re: [time-nuts] Am I missing something?

2011-05-23 Thread William H. Fite
Hear, hear, Perrier! On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Perry Sandeen sandee...@yahoo.com wrote: List, Wrote: Guys, I gotta ask, what does this have to do with time keeping? Am I missing something? Most definitely. In fact, I believe several things. It is the broadening of one’s mind

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/23/11 6:07 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On 05/23/11 09:31 AM, Rob Kimberley wrote: Try http://www.symmetricom.com/media/files/downloads/product-datasheets/DS_SA.22 c.pdf Rob Kimberley Thank you. I don't have know what board area I have available, but I think think its going to be

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 05/23/11 02:20 PM, paul swed wrote: I believe thats because RB and CS have cavities that essentially establish the operating size, because they work at a given frequency. That makes sense You have to go to a different technology method to reduce its size, like the new Symmetricom CS

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Had
Rob, I agree with you 100%, Top forever. Had K7MLR At 06:29 AM 5/23/2011, you wrote: I couldn't resist commenting about how top posting annoys you. Interestingly, I have always top posted ever since my first email way, way back. Everyone else I dealt with in business did it that way. It

[time-nuts] OT: Top and bottom

2011-05-23 Thread Raj
With my old Eudora, I can see top postings and not bottom ones. Unless I hit the details button and then I have to mine through the headers. Unless the poster deletes the unwanted posts text below. At 23-05-2011, you wrote: I couldn't resist commenting about how top posting annoys you.

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Mike Feher
For what it is worth, I agree 100%. I have also been top posting for over 30 years. A lot of times when I open a thread, and, do not see anything but previous posts, I delete the whole thing. Why should I go all the way to the bottom to see what someone may have said, or, to even see if there is

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Stan, W1LE
I also top post... Consider the Symmetricom model X72 Rb. I can fit 2 each in my shirt pocket. Some variants are programmable and spec'd for 12 VDC operation. I did have problems with one unit that had microphonics when used with a DEMI/N5AC microwave LO synthesizer in a DEMI 10 GHz

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/23/2011 03:07 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On 05/23/11 09:31 AM, Rob Kimberley wrote: Try http://www.symmetricom.com/media/files/downloads/product-datasheets/DS_SA.22 c.pdf Rob Kimberley Thank you. I don't have know what board area I have available, but I think think its going to be

[time-nuts] LightSquared

2011-05-23 Thread J. Forster
See http://orbitrax.com/?p=4468. I quote from there: Things looked pretty bleak earlier this month for Lightsquared when Senator Charles E. Grassley (R) Iowa wrote FCC Chairman requesting the detailed release of all internal/external communications, including email between FCC personnel

[time-nuts] Fast TI counter

2011-05-23 Thread shalimr9
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Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared

2011-05-23 Thread Bruce Lane
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Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared

2011-05-23 Thread David VanHorn
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Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you have the power for a rubidium, there are some pretty small OCXO's out there these days. The little guys will easily beat out a TCXO, but not their larger OCXO cousins. For small size, indeed a TCXO is going to be your choice, until it gets to big and you go to an XO. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread WB6BNQ
David, You should have said so in the first place. Unless you are sure that the reference oscillator is the base for all the generated frequencies, it would not make sense to install a Rb source in the radio. You are correct concerning most of the so-called higher stability options in that

[time-nuts] Top Posting...

2011-05-23 Thread Burt I. Weiner
I also prefer top posting. It makes life a lot simpler. Burt, K6OQK From: Mike Feher mfe...@eozinc.com To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' time-nuts@febo.com For what it is worth, I agree 100%. I have also been top posting for over 30 years. A lot of times

Re: [time-nuts] Fast TI counter

2011-05-23 Thread John Miles
I took a look at these boards at the IFCS/EFTF show a couple of weeks ago, actually. Nice boards, but at $11,000 each they seem to be aimed at users who would otherwise be looking for a new Wavecrest-class analyzer. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread WB6BNQ
To all, Evidently my link did not work. Curse those bastard WEB site designers with all modern embedded garbage. So you will have to go to the main page of Analog Devices at http://www.analog.com and select Tools, Software ? Simulation models from the bottom middle of the page. On the next

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 05/23/11 06:17 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 05/23/2011 03:07 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On 05/23/11 09:31 AM, Rob Kimberley wrote: Try http://www.symmetricom.com/media/files/downloads/product-datasheets/DS_SA.22 c.pdf Rob Kimberley Thank you. I don't have know what board area I have

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Jim Lux
-Original Message- From: WB6BNQ wb6...@cox.net Sent: May 23, 2011 2:17 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium David, You should have said so in the first place. Unless you are sure that the reference

Re: [time-nuts] Top Posting...

2011-05-23 Thread Jim Lux
Sometimes, though, interspersed responses are appropriate. For instance, if you've got a long analysis or list of things, or a list of questions, then answering interspersed is more appropriate. (with a note at the top saying answers interspersed below) Many mail clients facilitate the

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Tijd Dingen
http://designtools.analog.com/dtDDSWeb/dtDDSMain.aspx That seems to work (don't drop the x on the end ;) regards, Fred From: WB6BNQ wb6...@cox.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 11:34

Re: [time-nuts] Fast TI counter

2011-05-23 Thread Don Latham
Demian Martin I was looking it up and ran across this link: http://www.alstonpatlaw.com/files/FirmService/4871d8f2-6135-465b-8ad2-3829e4 21c91f/Presentation/ceServiceDocument/09-cv-5517%202009-11-20%20Complaint.pd f OK, at $11000 apiece, it's better to make your money with lawsuits rather

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 05/23/11 10:44 PM, Jim Lux wrote: -Original Message- From: WB6BNQwb6...@cox.net Sent: May 23, 2011 2:17 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium David, You should have said so in the first place.

Re: [time-nuts] Top Posting...

2011-05-23 Thread Mike S
At 05:24 PM 5/23/2011, Burt I. Weiner wrote... I also prefer top posting. It makes life a lot simpler. Then you should change your MUA so it puts your .sig at the top, too. Right now, you're both top _and_ bottom posting. ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] Top Posting...

2011-05-23 Thread Steve Rooke
On 24 May 2011 11:57, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: At 05:24 PM 5/23/2011, Burt I. Weiner wrote... I also prefer top posting. It makes life a lot simpler. Then you should change your MUA so it puts your .sig at the top, too. Right now, you're both top _and_ bottom posting. Well

Re: [time-nuts] Time Interval Analyzers

2011-05-23 Thread Don Latham
Shalom, Shalom (I simply could not resist, pardon me please) Shalom Kattan \(BI\) Mr. Latham, Your question: Are these kinda like a high-priced restaurant? If you have to ask the price you can't afford it? :-) Answer: The BI200 is $9,800 and the BI220 is $2,950. What is your

Re: [time-nuts] smallest rubidium

2011-05-23 Thread Said Jackson
How about a GPSDO in 1 x 1 x 0.5 inch footprint? Check out the new MtronPTI M9107 and M9107 GPSDOs. Check out the press release about these on our Jackson Labs Tech website for more info.. Better than 4E-013 over 100K seconds typically, beats most RBs. Said Sent from my iPad On May 23,