Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 727DE1FE9A784A598E49129B80D2C63C@pc52, Tom Van Baak writes: filename=5071A-xyz.jpg As far as I can see, two of the tubes have their axis parallel to the X-coordinate ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18, Windows, NTP Lat Lon

2013-09-04 Thread David J Taylor
From: Jim Lux I'm looking for an easy way to get current lat lon, when you've got a GPS-18 hooked up for NTP. That is, the GPS receiver is there doing it's NTP thing, so presumably it knows where it is. [] It's not like ntpd or ntpq have some handy switch that says display current lat/lon

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers

2013-09-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If the 1164 was anything like the 1162 they got a lot of use in the crystal industry. The normal operating mode involved a reset of the frequency every few minutes. That got them into the cranky category pretty quickly (as in by the mid 70's). Bob On Sep 3, 2013, at 7:43 PM, paul swed

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 522735c1.6020...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: And in California, cannot be operated by those under 18, even with the hands free capability. Not to mention the fact that you can go to jail if you remove the fire-warninglabel from the foam-cushion it came packed in :-) --

[time-nuts] GPS 18x PC/LVC 3.90 (August 28, 2013)

2013-09-04 Thread David J Taylor
GPS 18x PC/LVC 3.90 (August 28, 2013) Folks, I have received notice of an update to the GPS 18x LVC firmware, which can be downloaded here: http://www8.garmin.com/support/agree.jsp?id=4055 Changes made from version 3.80 to 3.90: Better handling for leap second data storage especially

Re: [time-nuts] Raw GPS signal samples

2013-09-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/2/13 7:21 PM, John Seamons wrote: Somewhat off-topic but it might help someone out: I've had a tough time finding, and using, files on the net containing raw GPS signal samples to be used with the various software-only (or software-mostly) GPS receivers out there. I finally got a file of

Re: [time-nuts] sub-minute time-precision in court-case

2013-09-04 Thread Gabs Ricalde
I noticed that my old Nokia phones kept time better than computers, then I learned that the oscillator in the phone is adjusted to match the BTS carrier [1]. To verify this I ran ntpd in an Android phone synced to a stratum 1 server via USB tethering. (USB has a lower latency and jitter than

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18, Windows, NTP Lat Lon

2013-09-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/4/13 7:35 AM, Didier Juges wrote: Jim, You should be able to piggyback a second serial port in parallel with the one used by NTP (just the Rx line and ground) and use any NMEA decoder. It does not even have to be the same computer. I have a quick NMEA decoder for Windows I wrote some

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18, Windows, NTP Lat Lon

2013-09-04 Thread Didier Juges
Jim, You should be able to piggyback a second serial port in parallel with the one used by NTP (just the Rx line and ground) and use any NMEA decoder. It does not even have to be the same computer. I have a quick NMEA decoder for Windows I wrote some time ago somewhere. Didier KO4BB Jim Lux

[time-nuts] TI Chronos watch synced with NTP

2013-09-04 Thread Paul Amaranth
This is something I've been thinking of doing. And, TI is running a back-to-school special on the Chronos watch now, $30 shipped. Looks like this requires manual syncing; I'd like to have it sync whenever it's in range, but that shouldn't be a big deal. Expand the video description to get a

Re: [time-nuts] TI Chronos watch synced with NTP

2013-09-04 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
Where can one get this for less than $30 shipped?? On 09/04/2013 07:50 AM, Paul Amaranth wrote: This is something I've been thinking of doing. And, TI is running a back-to-school special on the Chronos watch now, $30 shipped. Looks like this requires manual syncing; I'd like to have it sync

Re: [time-nuts] TI Chronos watch synced with NTP

2013-09-04 Thread Paul Amaranth
I knew I should have included the link http://e2e.ti.com/blogs_/b/msp430blog/archive/2013/09/01/back-to-school-sale-part-3-ez430-chronos.aspx Write down the correct coupon code and enter it on the payment screen. Paul From: Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com Where can one get this for

Re: [time-nuts] TI Chronos watch synced with NTP

2013-09-04 Thread Eric Garner
chuck: The coupon codes TI get them for $30 is here http://e2e.ti.com/blogs_/b/msp430blog/archive/2013/09/01/back-to-school-sale-part-3-ez430-chronos.aspx On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com wrote: Where can one get this for less than $30 shipped?? On

[time-nuts] comparator

2013-09-04 Thread Don Latham
Just musing, ran across this: http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/ADCMP572_573.pdf There's a reasonable eval with SMA connectors. Any comments? Don -- “The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.” -George Bernard Shaw Dr.

Re: [time-nuts] Caring for the elderly (OCXO) follow-up

2013-09-04 Thread Bob Stewart
When I bought this elderly 34310-T, the seller (in China) said the midpoint EFC was about 4 volts.  When I installed it, it was actually just under 3, which was a bit of a surprise.  Just before my frequency glitch/drop, it was just a bit above 2.94.  Now, the midpoint is just above 2.90.  This

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution T - PPS offset and stability

2013-09-04 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Bob, it's not +/-100ns on all receivers. Our Fury GPSDO that uses Motorola designed M12M receivers allow +/-1ns antenna delay phase adjustment resolution. No effect on timing stability. Almost all of our other products using uBlox GPS also allow +/-1ns antenna delay phase adjustment

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers

2013-09-04 Thread Pete Lancashire
The 1164 was the last of the family, It required a different cabinet slightly deeper cabinet. The 1161 0 to 100kHz, 1162 0 to 1MHz, 1163 30Hz to 12 MHz and the 1164, 10kHz to 70 MHz Interesting you mention crystals, either a 1161 or 1162 I have has a Bulova Accutron asset tag one of the few

[time-nuts] Moto 5 MHz OXCO

2013-09-04 Thread quartz55
I have 6 of these things, I've opened one of them. Is anyone interested in them, are they worth anything, should I put them on ebay? You can see them here http://s251.photobucket.com/user/DogTi/library/time?sort=3page=1 I think they're out of UHF Quantar digital repeaters. I have no other

Re: [time-nuts] Raw GPS signal samples

2013-09-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi John, It's not off-topic at all. Thanks for posting. Someday it would be cool if an amateur precise time project emerged from this effort. What is not clear from your link is the accuracy or stability of the LO that was used. It seems to me, for timing purposes, that one would want to have

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution T - PPS offset and stability

2013-09-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Lachlan, Having others to compare against is not so much an issue on this list. Many of us have Cs, or more. For GPS 1PPS measurements, for sawtooth removal, for GPSDO, for L1 common view -- usually 1 ns resolution is adequate, because that's the numerical granularity of the GPS receiver

Re: [time-nuts] Raw GPS signal samples

2013-09-04 Thread Said Jackson
Tom, John, Wouldn't the software be able to remove any LO instability by simple cross correlation error cancellation by all the carrier phases? After all carrier phase measurements are concerned with relative phase delays, not absolute offsets? In other words the LO and ADC phase errors

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution T - PPS offset and stability

2013-09-04 Thread Said Jackson
Bob, Forgot to mention that this phase offset feature is built into the GPS receivers themselves. Bye, Said Sent From iPhone On Sep 4, 2013, at 13:02, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hi Bob, it's not +/-100ns on all receivers. Our Fury GPSDO that uses Motorola designed M12M receivers allow

Re: [time-nuts] Raw GPS signal samples

2013-09-04 Thread Azelio Boriani
For our timing niche, SDGPS (Software-Defined GPS) doesn't even need to be real-time. It's the after-the-fact corrections to the LO that are of interest. Can you elaborate the after-the-fact corrections to the LO point? I understand that: I can correct the LO after a sample cycle, then use the

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesizers

2013-09-04 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Pete: The HP 5110 has a phase continuous output when the frequency is changed and was the basis for early chirp sounders. http://www.prc68.com/I/HP5100.shtml http://www.prc68.com/I/RCS-5A.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html

Re: [time-nuts] Raw GPS signal samples

2013-09-04 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/04/2013 11:25 PM, Said Jackson wrote: Tom, John, Wouldn't the software be able to remove any LO instability by simple cross correlation error cancellation by all the carrier phases? After all carrier phase measurements are concerned with relative phase delays, not absolute offsets?

[time-nuts] GPS outage?

2013-09-04 Thread Brad Dye
Readers of my newsletter are reporting a strange interruption of their GPS reception yesterday -- mainly in the northeastern US but also in SC. This is my first day on this mailing list -- for a while -- so I don't know if this has been discussed or reported previously. Has anyone else noticed

Re: [time-nuts] Moto 5 MHz OXCO

2013-09-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Certainly looks like Motorola innards. They are one of the few outfits that refers to oscillator trim as a warp adjustment. You *do not* want to know what that oscillator's great grandfather looked like in 1974…. Bob On Sep 4, 2013, at 4:38 PM, quartz55 quart...@hughes.net wrote: I have

Re: [time-nuts] Raw GPS signal samples

2013-09-04 Thread Magnus Danielson
Tom, On 09/04/2013 11:05 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Hi John, It's not off-topic at all. Thanks for posting. Someday it would be cool if an amateur precise time project emerged from this effort. What is not clear from your link is the accuracy or stability of the LO that was used. It seems

Re: [time-nuts] Moto 5 MHz OXCO

2013-09-04 Thread paul swed
Dave In my experience motorola oscillators were pretty good. They do the job intended of keeping radios on frequency with an appropriate noise level. Nice unit its heater looks like it runs on 18v and osc at 8V. Hard to say how these units compare to what is typically discussed on Time-nuts I will

Re: [time-nuts] comparator

2013-09-04 Thread paul swed
Don It sure looks easy enough to use. I need to dive into the specs to see how low of a signal the zero crossing behavior works. May check the eval board $ Regards Paul. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: Just musing, ran across this:

Re: [time-nuts] comparator

2013-09-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Silicon Germanium is one of the materials that have pretty high 1/f noise corners. The part probably works quite well for fast edges. I would not expect it to do a very good job on lower frequency / slower speed stuff. I certainly would not expect it to do well in a DMTD type setup at 1 to

Re: [time-nuts] GPS outage?

2013-09-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi My guess is that if GPS was down over the northeastern part of the US for most of a day, you would not have to check with TimeNuts. It would be on the evening news. Since your typical mobile GPS needs more sats than a timing receiver, they should drop out first. When the entire car / truck

Re: [time-nuts] Raw GPS signal samples

2013-09-04 Thread John Seamons
On Sep 5, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Hi John, It's not off-topic at all. Thanks for posting. Someday it would be cool if an amateur precise time project emerged from this effort. What is not clear from your link is the accuracy or stability of the LO that was used. It seems