[time-nuts] Help for general GPIB problem

2014-01-23 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Gentlemen, I am just going to improve my EZGPIB utility so that it can make use of more than one GPIB-interface (supported by GPIB32.Dll, not Prologix). I have been trying to enumerate all detected interfaces by using ibdev(bi,0,0,T300ms,0,1) in a loop where bi starts with 0 and is incremented

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Anders Wallin
Given that Arduinos are now sold in (almost) every super-market, and the programming IDE is free/open-source, and the C/C++ code is familiar to many, I would have thought the logical evolution of the pictic is to become an Arduino shield? One drawback (AFAIK) is that e.g. Arduino Due doesn't have

Re: [time-nuts] Examples of leap-seconds in local timezones

2014-01-23 Thread Rob Kimberley
Magnus, (Going from memory here...) I seem to remember that NPL in UK used to add 0.1 second to each of the first 10 seconds after the hour. If this wrong, I hope someone picks up on it! Cheers Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On

Re: [time-nuts] Help for general GPIB problem

2014-01-23 Thread Azelio Boriani
Try to stop the HPIB driver... maybe the driver is reporting as available even if no hardware is actually connected. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Ulrich Bangert df...@ulrich-bangert.de wrote: Gentlemen, I am just going to improve my EZGPIB utility so that it can make use of more than one

Re: [time-nuts] Examples of leap-seconds in local timezones

2014-01-23 Thread Wojciech Owczarek
Magnus, I have little experience with radio-based public time dissemination services, but some with GPS/NTP/PTP, so here's some info - hope it's of some value to you. For US and European exchanges, the leap second time happens outside trading hours, so maybe that's why we've heard little

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Azelio Boriani
It seems that that the QEI on a dsPIC are internal hardware counters decoding the A/B phases of optical encoders: are you sure that they can be used like a time interval counter? Better to use the timer capture dedicated input. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Anders Wallin

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Dual-Time Atomic Clock

2014-01-23 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Dick, They look very nice, but kind of big for my desktop !! Not very clear about what message you were responding to... Didier On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Richard Solomon w1...@earthlink.netwrote: They look very nice, but kind of big for my desktop !! Thanks anyway, 73, Dick,

Re: [time-nuts] Affordable (cheap) COTS / eBay kit for TIE / 1PPS phase comparison

2014-01-23 Thread Wojciech Owczarek
Thanks for your suggestions so far everyone, The picPET would be a great solution if it could run at higher frequencies - but now there's a separate thread about that :) Magnus - my reference is a Brilliant Telecom (now Juniper Networks TCA series) PTP grandmaster (TCA8000), which does PTP and

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Tom Van Baak
The picPET is vastly different from an Arduino. My goal with the picPET was to make a self-contained, single-chip, works-out-of-the-box continuous time-stamping event counter with an $1 8-pin DIP chip, even if the resolution wasn't good by time nut standards. You can see how simple it is:

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Dual-Time Atomic Clock

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Solomon
It was in response to the suggestion I look at BRG Precision. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 1/23/2014 5:57 AM, Didier Juges wrote: Hi Dick, They look very nice, but kind of big for my desktop !! Not very clear about what message you were responding to... Didier On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:19 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] Help for general GPIB problem

2014-01-23 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Azelio, Try to stop the HPIB driver... I do not have any HPIB (=HP specific) driver in my system. Instead I use the GPIB32.DLL that comes together with every National Instruments GPIB interface adapter. The DLL is basically thought as the National Instruments support for C-Programmers but I

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Azelio, One of the internal timers is exactly what I was thinking of.  I haven't gotten into this yet, but it looks like the dsPIC33 can accept a high quality reference clock as an input, and then use a multiplier to get it up above 100MHz.  I think 200MHz is the limit in some packages.  My

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Brian Lloyd
Has anyone else looked at the Parallax Propeller processor for timing functions? It has 8 cooperative cores and has a number of intrinsic timing functions for measuring intervals accurately, or for generating tightly-timed repetitive pulse trains, within the frequency accuracy range of the

Re: [time-nuts] Affordable (cheap) COTS / eBay kit for TIE / 1PPS phase comparison

2014-01-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
Wojciech, On 23/01/14 14:46, Wojciech Owczarek wrote: Thanks for your suggestions so far everyone, The picPET would be a great solution if it could run at higher frequencies - but now there's a separate thread about that :) Magnus - my reference is a Brilliant Telecom (now Juniper Networks

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Azelio Boriani
As usual the hardware peripherals integrated in microprocessors are not really independent from the core: the capture signal must be synchronized with the microprocessor's clock to enter the core. This require usually a clock with double the speed you need for a real hardware counter implemented,

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Dual-Time Atomic Clock

2014-01-23 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2014-01-21 22:53, Andy wrote: Dick asked, What I am looking for is a way to display Local Time (MST) and Zulu (GMT) time in a small (6 X 8 or similar) package. There must be two displays and both lock up to NBS. Has anyone seen such a thing ? Might not meet all your specs, but MFJ may

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Dual-Time Atomic Clock

2014-01-23 Thread bjones0
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 12:58 -0700, Brian Inglis wrote: Looks like MFJ-108B http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-108B fits your specs at a quarter the price, and it says it can be synced to WWV, although their product manual (single page setting guide) does not mention

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Dual-Time Atomic Clock

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Solomon
I have one of those. One clock runs fast, one runs slow. Maybe if I average them out 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 1/23/2014 1:14 PM, bjon...@mindspring.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 12:58 -0700, Brian Inglis wrote: Looks like MFJ-108B

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Dual-Time Atomic Clock

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Solomon
The 121B will only offset the 5 NA Time Zones. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 1/23/2014 12:58 PM, Brian Inglis wrote: On 2014-01-21 22:53, Andy wrote: Dick asked, What I am looking for is a way to display Local Time (MST) and Zulu (GMT) time in a small (6 X 8 or similar) package. There must be two

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Tom Van Baak
Has anyone else looked at the Parallax Propeller processor for timing functions? Hi Brian, Oh yes. Really nice chip. But for precise timing applications I had huge problems with phase and temperature stability of its internal PLL. I tried half a dozen different boards purchased over several

Re: [time-nuts] Lady heather plus NTP server?

2014-01-23 Thread Scott Mace
Try this: http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2010-February/044476.html It uses the NTP SHM reference clock. Scott On 01/20/2014 09:01 PM, ken johnson wrote: I currently have my router/firewall acting as both an NTP client, getting it's time from the net, and an NTP server

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread paul swed
Good thread. Yes I am very aware of the parallax propeller. As you both say kind of a crazy chip. I have used another product the SXB micros. They run Basic at 80 Mhz and are so cheap that If I have more than a few chips I just switch over. Unfortunately they are obsolete in the dip form. When I

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Daniel Mendes
That´s a big problem. To go sub-100ns you must make frequency 10Mhz, and most of these chips only run at 10MHz using internal PLLs (you can´t directly clock them with more than about 20MHz.. or at least the datasheet says so). A FPGA has no such problems (or at least they are very

[time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-23 Thread Volker Esper
Hi! I bought a Trimble/Nortel GPSDO http://www.ebay.de/itm/300933951405?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2648 and Lady Heather's now tells me that everything is alright - except - DAC 6.04V - OSC BAD - osc age alarm The rectangle 10MHz output signal (J5) shows a signal at about

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That’s a cell phone base station board. It’s got a bunch of outputs, some of which are related to the cell network it was built for rather than 10MHz. I’d bet your 9.8 MHz output is one of those. They are DDS based so there likely is some range of possible outputs. The age alarm is not

Re: [time-nuts] Help for general GPIB problem

2014-01-23 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, understood. So it seems that the next step is to try to connect with those reported devices and see if an error is returned, identifying the really connected ones from the placeholders... On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Ulrich Bangert df...@ulrich-bangert.de wrote: Azelio, Try to stop the

[time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-23 Thread Mark Sims
The OSC age alarm says the oscillator EFC control voltage is getting near to its programmed limit. The DAC alarm says that the EFC dac setting is it is at the limit. I suspect that your oscillator EFC input is bad. I've seen this on a couple of boards.

[time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-23 Thread J. L. Trantham
I recently acquired a Z3816A as a 'spare' and it does not work reliably. The ALARM LED sometimes comes on and sometimes doesn't. Sometimes it tracks and locks appropriately and other times it goes into HOLDOVER. The main PCB is very dirty and has the appearance that it has been in a humid and

Re: [time-nuts] Lady heather plus NTP server?

2014-01-23 Thread ken johnson
Thanks for the reply Scott- but I have to say I am a little confused, LH is running on a windows box and the program you pointed to is a linux one- am I missing something here? Ken. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Scott Mace sm...@intt.net wrote: Try this:

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Dual-Time Atomic Clock

2014-01-23 Thread Martin A Flynn
What I am looking for is a way to display Local Time (MST) and Zulu (GMT) time in a small (6 X 8 or similar) package. There must be two displays and both lock up to NBS.Has anyone seen such a thing ? A tad bigger then your request:

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-23 Thread paul swed
Joe Been a while. Sounds like a reasonable approach with the soap and water. The key is not to force water into the inductors. I take soapy water and a tooth brush it works wonders. Then dry in an oven at about 100 degrees just to drive off the moisture. Very gentle. I guess the other point is to

Re: [time-nuts] Examples of leap-seconds in local timezones

2014-01-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 23/01/14 14:29, Wojciech Owczarek wrote: Magnus, I have little experience with radio-based public time dissemination services, but some with GPS/NTP/PTP, so here's some info - hope it's of some value to you. For US and European exchanges, the leap second time happens outside trading hours,

Re: [time-nuts] Lady heather plus NTP server?

2014-01-23 Thread Chris Albertson
i think most people run LH on Linux either VMWare or Wine. That might be your first move. Virtualize the windows system and run LH on that.It make it better really because then you can export the display over the network. So, install Linux on the PC, then run Windows on that Maybe one way

Re: [time-nuts] Lady heather plus NTP server?

2014-01-23 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
I did a quick comparison between Lady Heather under Wine+Linux, Lady Heather under Win7, and WWV. The NTP time on my office machine agrees with WWV on 5 MHz as closely as my eyes and ears can tell. Linux is running its default NTP, Win7 is running Meinberg (as I recall). LH updates its time

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-23 Thread Larry McDavid
I recommend against using tap water on any electronics. Use RO or distilled water; that won't leave behind minerals when it evaporates. Most IPA is only 70%; the balance is water. For flux removal, use 99% or anhydrous IPA, available at most industrial hardware stores. And, I surely would

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Dual-Time Atomic Clock

2014-01-23 Thread Brian Garrett
Well, of course you can. You can do that with any clock. Claiming that it can be synced to WWV without stating manually is misleading. Stating that it _must_ be done manually is redundant. No wonder their manual makes no mention of this supposed feature. Brian Garrett -Original

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Dual-Time Atomic Clock

2014-01-23 Thread Andy
Richard wrote: The 121B will only offset the 5 NA Time Zones. And Zulu too, right? So aside from the size, it meets your requirements, right? I guess you would have to change its time zone when the rest of the country changes to/from Daylight Saving time, but that's probably true of most

[time-nuts] Morion MV89A position

2014-01-23 Thread Paul Cianciolo
Hello all, I have had a MV89A running now for a couple of years now.   It is inside of a Dewar along with bypassing capacitors and the adjustment pot. The end is sealed insulation.  For a matter of convenience the oscillator is mounted upside down. I am planning on reconfiguring the box it is

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Dual-Time Atomic Clock

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Solomon
You are correct, I missed that. If the one I have on order doesn't work, I'll get one of those. Thanks for the heads-up, 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 1/23/2014 1:56 PM, Andy wrote: Richard wrote: The 121B will only offset the 5 NA Time Zones. And Zulu too, right? So aside from the size, it

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Dual-Time Atomic Clock

2014-01-23 Thread Hal Murray
I guess you would have to change its time zone when the rest of the country changes to/from Daylight Saving time, but that's probably true of most of them. There is a DST bit in the WWVB packet format. (actually 2 of them) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWVB#Announcement_bits Of course,

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-23 Thread Hal Murray
The main PCB is very dirty and has the appearance that it has been in a humid and dusty environment. I am suspicious that there are some 'leakage' issues related to this dirt and would like to wash the board. What would the group recommend for cleaning the board? Google for PCB cleaning

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-23 Thread Hal Murray
Also, I seem to recall a command that can be sent by SatStat to change from GPS time to UTC time but I can't find it in my files. Is there such a command or am I hallucinating? My notes for the Z3801A say: :diag:gps:utc 1 http://www.realhamradio.com/GPS_User_Notes.htm (undocumented)

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-23 Thread Glenn Little
Tektronix used to clean their oscilloscopes in a soap and water bath in something like a dish washer. This was published in Tek Scope V4 #4 July 1972. I can send the pdf if interested. Glenn WB4UIV At 10:13 PM 1/23/2014, you wrote: Joe Been a while. Sounds like a reasonable approach with the

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-23 Thread Larry McDavid
Folks, soap and detergent are not the same thing. Larry On 1/23/2014 11:22 PM, Glenn Little wrote: Tektronix used to clean their oscilloscopes in a soap and water bath in something like a dish washer. This was published in Tek Scope V4 #4 July 1972. I can send the pdf if interested. Glenn

Re: [time-nuts] Help for general GPIB problem

2014-01-23 Thread John Miles
You probably want ibfind() rather than ibdev(). Take a look at gpibport.cpp in the TimeLab source (drivers/shared/gpibport.cpp under the installation folder), in the enumerate_ports() function. -- john, KE5FX Miles Design LLC -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com