[time-nuts] TBolt OCXO replacement

2010-02-16 Thread WarrenS
In the ever ending battle to improve my TBolt's performance, I am in the process of upgrading a OCXO replacement I did to it a while back. It would be Interesting to hear suggestions from others that have done similar sort of things and the results they have achieved. ws

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt OCXO replacement

2010-02-16 Thread Scott Newell
At 11:37 AM 2/16/2010 , WarrenS wrote: In the ever ending battle to improve my TBolt's performance, I am in the process of upgrading a OCXO replacement I did to it a while back. It would be Interesting to hear suggestions from others that have done similar sort of things and the results they have

[time-nuts] Hands on digital clock

2010-02-16 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: http://www.standard-time.com/index2_en.php 4 x 12 meter 7-segment display where the segments are boards held in place by C-clamps. One man can change one segment, but it takes 11 men and a couple of ladders to change two digits. If fewer (wo)men were used the time to make a change would

Re: [time-nuts] Hands on digital clock

2010-02-16 Thread Max Robinson
It seems to me there is a way to make the segments folding so they could be changed without removing and inserting boards. Kind of like a folding ruler. I'll have to do some experiments with scraps of wood in my shop. On a smaller scale of course. When I was little I used to like forming

Re: [time-nuts] Hands on digital clock

2010-02-16 Thread J. Forster
Hey. You miss the point! It's ART. -John = It seems to me there is a way to make the segments folding so they could be changed without removing and inserting boards. Kind of like a folding ruler. I'll have to do some experiments with scraps of wood in my shop. On a

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt OCXO replacement

2010-02-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A similar question though would be - once you have done all the corrections to the setup of the TBolt (damping, time constant, sensitivity) what's left to fix? I would *guess*: Lower aging Better TC Better short term Aging will likely get better the longer you leave the existing oscillator

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt OCXO replacement

2010-02-16 Thread Henry Hallam
Timing newbie here, so please educate me - why does aging matter? Isn't the whole purpose of a GPSDO to completely eliminate long-term drift? Thanks Henry On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Bob Camp li...@cq.nu wrote: Hi A similar question though would be - once you have done all the

Re: [time-nuts] ko4bb monitor

2010-02-16 Thread Mike Naruta AA8K
Thunderbolt PRECISION GPS 10mhz Standard's LED Monitor I received two from fluke.l 16 days after I sent my PayPal payment. It was well-packaged and he fit both in one box to save me shipping costs. They came with a DB-9P already soldered on the cable and a typical DC power jack. He even

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt OCXO replacement

2010-02-16 Thread John Miles
That gets you to the question - just how good do you think the 1 second AVAR is on the existing oscillator, independent of the TBolt environment? If for instance you have a 2.5x10^-12 OCXO in yours, you would only see a significant improvement with a sub 1.0x10^-12 OCXO. That sort of

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt OCXO replacement

2010-02-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Nothing is ever perfect. The magic can only do just so well. The lower the aging rate, the better the result after correction. A little more detail: Take a number, maybe 10 ns and call it the error of the GPS signal. Over a 1 second period, that' s not so good (10 ppb). Over 10,000

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt OCXO replacement

2010-02-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
Henry Hallam wrote: Timing newbie here, so please educate me - why does aging matter? Isn't the whole purpose of a GPSDO to completely eliminate long-term drift? First degree effect yes, but depending on how you do it, more or less of the drift remains uncompensated. If you just try to do

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt OCXO replacement

2010-02-16 Thread Arnold Tibus
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:28:11 -0800, Henry Hallam wrote: ... - why does aging matter? Isn't the whole purpose of a GPSDO to completely eliminate long-term drift? Aging? This remembers me on something... .When I get older, losing my hair - ... ...will you still need me, will you still feed me,

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke1 Monitor

2010-02-16 Thread Richard W. Solomon
I cut the lead on pin 4 of the RS-232 connector and hooked it to +12 vdc. That way I eliminate using another supply. Seems to work alright. Just need to make sure that pin 4 of the Computer's Serial Port doesn't have a compatibility problem. (Just means I can't hook up a computer to the T-Bolt if

Re: [time-nuts] Hands on digital clock

2010-02-16 Thread Hal Murray
It seems to me there is a way to make the segments folding so they could be changed without removing and inserting boards. Kind of like a folding ruler. I'll have to do some experiments with scraps of wood in my shop. On a smaller scale of course. Several years ago, I walked by one of

[time-nuts] OT - RF Mailing list

2010-02-16 Thread Jerome Peters
Is there a RF Mailing list that anybody would like recommend? I am mostly interested in homebrew lower frequency (500KHz - 220MHz) range --- This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may

Re: [time-nuts] Hands on digital clock

2010-02-16 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Hal Murray Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:25 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hands on digital clock It seems to me

Re: [time-nuts] OT - RF Mailing list

2010-02-16 Thread Rick Karlquist
Jerome Peters wrote: Is there a RF Mailing list that anybody would like recommend? I am mostly interested in homebrew lower frequency (500KHz - 220MHz) range http://www.50mhzandup.org/ Rick N6RK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Hands on digital clock

2010-02-16 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 5:01 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hands on digital clock Lux, Jim (337C)

Re: [time-nuts] OT - RF Mailing list

2010-02-16 Thread Gary Chatters
Jerome Peters wrote: Is there a RF Mailing list that anybody would like recommend? I am mostly interested in homebrew lower frequency (500KHz - 220MHz) range You may find http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emrfd of interest. Messages are publicly available so you can read and decide before

Re: [time-nuts] Hands on digital clock

2010-02-16 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Jim: I have samples of two sizes of flipping dot displays, see: http://www.prc68.com/I/LED.shtml#FD was going to see how fast they can be flipped using high voltage drive with a series resistor to lower the time constant, but other things got in the way. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke

Re: [time-nuts] OT - RF Mailing list

2010-02-16 Thread Stan, W1LE
You need to state your interests a bit more. is it ham radio ? Is it general RF analog ? Is it digital modulation modes ? For 500 KHz, part 5, part 15, 137 KHz, 160-190 KHz and 500 KHz look to: Lowfer mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer Help:

Re: [time-nuts] OT - RF Mailing list

2010-02-16 Thread Jeffrey Pawlan
The 50MHz and Up Group of N. Calif primarily has members who really prefer 900MHz and up. When I first formed it, I did invite speakers about 6m and 2m DXing however, since then there has not been much interest in those low frequencies. However, anyone is definitely welocme to join as either a

[time-nuts] iPhone app

2010-02-16 Thread Jim Palfreyman
Hi all, Having recently acquired a new iPhone with a built in GPS, I was wondering if anyone is aware of an application that uses the GPS 1PPS to produce accurate time. I seem to remember reading somewhere that it is not possible to adjust the internal clock, but one could still produce an

Re: [time-nuts] iPhone app

2010-02-16 Thread Thomas A. Frank
I don't believe that there is a 1pps available to the OS. The GPS chipset seems to provide a very limited amount of data to the phone. For example, there does not appear to be any way to get satellite status info from the GPS chip to the OS. At least none of the apps I've tried thus far

Re: [time-nuts] FE5680 Frequency adjustment voltage range

2010-02-16 Thread Raj
Angus informed that the two buttons are for shifting the freq. up or down, after one single click the adjustment range is around the center. Suspect thats adjusting the c field. Would not hurt especially if the unit was used/surplus. Try 4000. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Raj