Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Results so far

2011-12-29 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
I got twenty 10 MHz rocks from a guy in China a while ago. It was just a few dollars for 21 pieces. The original purpose was to build a 10 MHz TRF receiver. I don't think any of my legacy signal generators are stable enough to characterize these rocks, but the 5680a should do nicely with a bit o

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2011-12-29 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:14 PM, John Beale wrote: > ...and by the way, my FE-5680A shows a consistent -7E-12 per degree C > temperature sensitivity (measured at case temp 42 and 52 C). The spec says 3E-10 from -5C to 50C So (3E-10)/55 = 5.5E-12 and you got 7E-12 I'd say it close to what's ad

Re: [time-nuts] line frequency website

2011-12-29 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Our battery-inverter systems follow frequency (or more usually the 4 second AGC signal from the ISO) and give or take power at multi-megawatt levels to stabilize frequency changes. This is the first I've seen a map of the entire CONUS though, interesting stuff! Peter On 12/29/2011 9:20 PM,

[time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2011-12-29 Thread John Beale
In case it's useful... there are many ways to get a square wave out from a sine wave in, but one straightforward way is with a comparator. Some work better than others. The slow ones won't work at all at 10 MHz, and the very fast comparators (MAX999, ADCMP600, LT1116 etc.) are more expensive, an

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Results so far

2011-12-29 Thread Peter Bell
Just FYI, this current batch of FE-5680As has a different RF architecture than the old ones - one of the most notable changes is that although they still have a DDS in them it's not in the output path anymore - the VCXO now runs at 60MHz, and this is divided down (in a CPLD) to produce the 10MHz ou

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.)

2011-12-29 Thread Mark Spencer
Yes that is correct. I have one of the units made by James Miller G3RUH. I had hoped to build some something along these lines on my own, but the Jupiter gps modules I acquired didn't actually have a 10 kHz output. Also my comment re the adev is for the 10 MHz output. I've never looked a

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.)

2011-12-29 Thread Richard W. Solomon
I think you are talking about the G3RUH/N1JEZ design. I have built three of them and they work very well. 73 es HNY, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- >From: Mark Spencer >Sent: Dec 29, 2011 9:24 PM >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thu

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.)

2011-12-29 Thread Mark Spencer
One of the designs using the 10 kHz output from a Jupiter gps engine and a simple PLL to discipline an ocxo might be good starting point if suitable gps engines are still available. There won't be much to tweak but the performance could be quite good. My first gpsdo was a manufactured version

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt?

2011-12-29 Thread Chris Albertson
> The era of cheap Thunderbolts appears to be history. > What is the simplest GPSDO you can build? There are many designs around but when the T-Bolts came out I think people lost interesting building. I think something very simple could work. If your local oscillator is at all decent it will n

Re: [time-nuts] line frequency website

2011-12-29 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/29/11 6:16 PM, gary wrote: http://fnetpublic.utk.edu/gradientmap.html I'm not sure if it's live data or a playback of recorded data, by the way So is Texas on it's own grid, or are they always out of sync with the rest of the nation. ;-) Both. Any idea about the white streak leavi

Re: [time-nuts] line frequency website

2011-12-29 Thread gary
http://fnetpublic.utk.edu/gradientmap.html So is Texas on it's own grid, or are they always out of sync with the rest of the nation. ;-) Any idea about the white streak leaving what looks like the Sacramento delta towards Vegas? On 12/29/2011 4:16 PM, Jim Lux wrote: Check it out: http:

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Results so far

2011-12-29 Thread Said Jackson
Tried crystal lattice filters, their bw is usually too large (1 to 2khz) I would use a simple pll, such as an exor gate driving a single gate vcxo with <10hz bw. Most crystal oscillators would improve the noise from the dds. So you could do this with four parts: Nc7sz86 exor gate driven by the

[time-nuts] line frequency website

2011-12-29 Thread Jim Lux
Check it out: http://fnetpublic.utk.edu/tabledisplay.html line frequency measurements updated once a second Operated by the Power Information Technology Laboratory at the University of Tennessee, FNET is a low-cost, quickly deployable GPS-synchronized wide-area frequency measurement network.

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Results so far

2011-12-29 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Said Jackson wrote: > Good enough as a portable frequency counter reference, as the offset can be > compensated, and the output is fairly stable... > > These units could really use gps disciplining and a crystal post filter. > > Great stuff for $40, new they mus

Re: [time-nuts] Subs for obsolete chips in pictic

2011-12-29 Thread J. L. Trantham
Eric, If you go for the 100, I'll take 10. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Eric Garner Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:00 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Sub

[time-nuts] RE Subs for 74AC175 DIP in PIC-TIC

2011-12-29 Thread Claude Houde
Hello Eric. I have three 74ACT175 if that can be usefull. If you want them, just email me your postal address off-list, you will only have to paypal me the shipping charge. Claude I located a supply of 74AC175PC for $2 USD at qty 100. I still need 2 of them to finish off all of my PICTIC II'

Re: [time-nuts] Subs for obsolete chips in pictic

2011-12-29 Thread Stanley
If you don't get enough interest I can send you a few. Stanley - Original Message - From: "Eric Garner" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Subs for obsolete chips in pictic I located a supp

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680a Schematic etc.

2011-12-29 Thread Peter Gottlieb
I made an offer on another so I will have multiple units. When one dies I will make a schematic (or if someone has a fried one and sends it to me). On 12/29/2011 8:29 AM, Bill riches wrote: look on this list about a week ago. i wrote up how I did it. very easy. my unit is holding at a few

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Results so far

2011-12-29 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
I gave my 5680a several firm whacks with a backscratcher and it did not seem to flinch. On the other hand I've used taps with a jeweler's screwdriver to fine tune my counter's timebase. On 12/29/2011 10:37 AM, Said Jackson wrote: Hello Mike, We measured a couple of these 5680As on a tsc5125a

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Results so far

2011-12-29 Thread Said Jackson
Hello Mike, We measured a couple of these 5680As on a tsc5125a analyzer. With different quality supplies. Very noisy buggers, huge number of spurs and very high noise floor -130dBc or so if I recall correctly. Thats probably the jitter you are seeing. Probably due to the dds generating the out

Re: [time-nuts] Subs for obsolete chips in pictic

2011-12-29 Thread Eric Garner
I located a supply of 74AC175PC for $2 USD at qty 100. I still need 2 of them to finish off all of my PICTIC II's (I have 3 completed). Are there still some available from people willing to part with some? or is there enough interest in that I could distribute enough of them to list members at cos

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Results so far

2011-12-29 Thread Orin Eman
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:14 PM, mike cook wrote: > > 1) What is the expected 10MHz peak to peak voltage. FEI doc seems to > indicate 0,5V but I am getting only 200mv. > 2) What is the sensitivity to 15V input level. I am only measuring 14,722 > (stable) on Pin1. > 3) Could this low input volta

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680a Schematic etc.

2011-12-29 Thread Bill riches
look on this list about a week ago. i wrote up how I did it. very easy. my unit is holding at a few parts to the -11. sorry i do not have file on ipad. bill wa2dvu Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2011, at 6:42 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: > Someone here has pointed out how to connect to the C-

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680a Schematic etc.

2011-12-29 Thread Azelio Boriani
Someone here has pointed out how to connect to the C-field control... I can't remember when, must serach the archive. It wasn't long ago because all the FE5680 stuff is very recent. I don't think that a schematic of the FEI Rbs will be ever available officially. On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:20 AM, C

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680a Schematic etc.

2011-12-29 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
I'm afraid I wasn't clear. I need a schematic for the FE-5680A so I can add an analog freq control to it. On 12/29/2011 12:59 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: For some notes on how to connect an external oscillator to the TBolt see: http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/tbolt.htm On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 2:

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680a Schematic etc.

2011-12-29 Thread Azelio Boriani
For some notes on how to connect an external oscillator to the TBolt see: http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/tbolt.htm On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: > Is there a schematic available? > > I have a Tbolt that came with a failed oscillator that might > enjoy whipp

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Results so far

2011-12-29 Thread mike cook
Le 29/12/2011 09:28, Chris Albertson a écrit : 1) What is the expected 10MHz peak to peak voltage. FEI doc seems to indicate 0,5V but I am getting only 200mv. I'm getting a lot more, about 2V peak to peak. What are you loading it with, I'm using a 10X scope probe. How are you measuring the

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Results so far

2011-12-29 Thread Azelio Boriani
Artifacts from the TDS210, not from the Rb. On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 8:14 AM, mike cook wrote: > Hi, > Just got my cheapo 5680A. It was accompanied by a little teddy bear > clutching a L7805CV ! > > Got a couple of questions. > > 1) What is the expected 10MHz peak to peak voltage. FEI doc seems

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Results so far

2011-12-29 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:14 PM, mike cook wrote: > Hi, > Just got my cheapo 5680A. It was accompanied by a little teddy bear > clutching a L7805CV ! > > Got a couple of questions. > > 1) What is the expected 10MHz peak to peak voltage. FEI doc seems to > indicate 0,5V but I am getting only 20