Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update

2013-09-12 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Adam, If you do not normally monitor this email reflector or contribute to it, why are you using it it promote your commecial product? Are you going to make the circuit and code (or programmed MCUs) available to list members?   Robert G8RPI. From: Adam

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update

2013-09-12 Thread wb6bnq
Well Robert, In his Youtube video he says it is fully assembled, so no code, schematics or programmed cpu would be forthcoming is how I would interpret it. Up Shot is this is just shameless promotion. From my 99% complete Timenuts list database of saved messages going back to Jan 2006, his

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt temperature sensor

2013-09-12 Thread cfo
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:20:07 -0700, Arthur Dent wrote: Didier Juges shalimr9 at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 12:24:51 EDT 2013 With all that discussion about the old temperature sensor in the TBolt no longer being available,... Actually I've bought all mine on Ebay and they are still available from

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi As you do these surveys, write down the results. You probably will do several surveys on each antenna location before you are done. Looking at the variation between the results will give you an idea of what's going on. Bob On Sep 11, 2013, at 9:48 PM, quartz55 quart...@hughes.net wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-12 Thread quartz55
Will too long a cable run or too many connectors (2) result in antenna open? When I added the last 50' of cable that's what I got. I measure 5V at the end of the cable run though. Maybe some de-ox in the connectors will help? I can also go get a single long run instead of piecing it

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt temperature sensor

2013-09-12 Thread Peter Loron
On Sep 12, 2013, at 3:10 AM, cfo xne...@luna.dyndns.dk wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:20:07 -0700, Arthur Dent wrote: Didier Juges shalimr9 at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 12:24:51 EDT 2013 With all that discussion about the old temperature sensor in the TBolt no longer being available,...

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-12 Thread quartz55
OK, I cleaned up the connectors and it's working again at the new location. As soon as I get into town, I'll get some new coax. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

[time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-12 Thread Bob Stewart
I decided to order a Rb standard, and I was wondering what the lower limit on the 15V power requirement is?  I have a PSU that will go up to 14.25V and my next closest is 18V.  Should I just get a new 15V PSU before this gets in?  Maybe I can make a quick mod on the big one and take it up to

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update

2013-09-12 Thread Orin Eman
My test for this kind of thing is: Would it be OK if a frequent contributor to the list had posted the same information?. I.e. is the information of interest to the list? In this case, I'd say yes and I have no problem with it being posted here. If he posted the same information every week, it

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update

2013-09-12 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Adam, I have copied this to our outmoded reflector. At least it's low noise and high quality. Sorry but dispite having been a licenced amateur for 35 years, I don't meet your 55+ demographic. I am aware that amateur radio has an aging demographic. That is why I have tutored for the UK

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update

2013-09-12 Thread GandalfG8
Oh dear, was it something you said? In a message dated 12/09/2013 21:01:42 GMT Daylight Time, robert8...@yahoo.co.uk writes: Hi Adam, I have copied this to our outmoded reflector. At least it's low noise and high quality. Sorry but dispite having been a licenced amateur for 35 years,

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi As I recall, 15 volts is sort of the minimum they recommend on most of the variations of the 5680. The internal regulators will probably be happier with 18 volts than with 14.25. You best bet is indeed a 15 V supply. Bob On Sep 12, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: I

Re: [time-nuts] A day gone awry...

2013-09-12 Thread Don Latham
Actually, another expression of McManus' sequential vortex, best expressed by the folksong the bucket's got a hole in it. All these are corollaries to Murphy's Law of Universal Bustedness. Don Magnus Danielson On 09/09/2013 11:31 PM, Ed Palmer wrote: It looks like The Conservation of Bustedness

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-12 Thread paul swed
A good supply is desirable wall warts aren't. Enjoy your new Rb Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: Thanks Bob. I looked at the datasheet again and found that they do like 15-18. Unfortunately my 18V supply is a wallwart that supplies

Re: [time-nuts] A day gone awry...

2013-09-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/09/2013 11:31 PM, Ed Palmer wrote: It looks like The Conservation of Bustedness came from Usenet. http://rec.crafts.metalworking.narkive.com/66UwVxf4/conservation-of-bustedness But doesn't entropy mean that the amount of Bustedness in the universe keeps increasing? Hell, I might as

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Looks like RG-6 Quad Shield is about $50 for a 500' spool at the local big box stores. Bob On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:10 AM, quartz55 quart...@hughes.net wrote: OK, I cleaned up the connectors and it's working again at the new location. As soon as I get into town, I'll get some new coax.

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-12 Thread Bob Stewart
Thanks Bob.  I looked at the datasheet again and found that they do like 15-18.  Unfortunately my 18V supply is a wallwart that supplies 22.5-18V,  2.0-2.5A.  By the ordering, I assume that means it's load dependent.  So, I guess I'll find some Plan B.  Bob

Re: [time-nuts] A day gone awry...

2013-09-12 Thread Mark C. Stephens
I have discovered a possible offshoot of The Conservation of Bustedness It's the more you clean up the less can you find ): -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Don Latham Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013 8:21 AM To:

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update

2013-09-12 Thread Tom Knox
What makes Ham Radio and the Time Nuts site successful is the comeradery and respect we feel for those with a mutual interest. Time Nuts allows everyone novice to industry professionals in the Time and Frequency community to freely exchange ideas, and perhaps more importantly meet others with a

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-12 Thread Bob Stewart
Thanks Paul.  I remember when I joined this group a few weeks(?) ago I was just looking for some cheap way to improve the accuracy of my counter.  So I decided to build a cheap, entry level GSPDO.  And I bought a 3456A because I didn't understand my code had a positive feedback loop..  And I

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-12 Thread paul swed
So true in all aspects. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: Thanks Paul. I remember when I joined this group a few weeks(?) ago I was just looking for some cheap way to improve the accuracy of my counter. So I decided to build a cheap, entry level GSPDO.

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-12 Thread Bob Stewart
I just remembered:  Someone here or on the Agilent list suggested I buy a handful of those LM2596 buckboards a few weeks ago.   That one wallwart should have enough headroom to give me 15V. Bob From: Bob Camp li...@rtty.us To: Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Looking at the 2496 data sheet - you probably want to put something 20 volts into the board if you want a reasonable 15 volts out of it. Bob On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:01 PM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: I just remembered: Someone here or on the Agilent list suggested I buy a handful

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-09-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Be very careful of using the same sensor to control your loop and to determine how well the device is holding temperature. It's amazingly easy to fool yourself by a couple of orders of magnitude…. The test is always to have a couple of other sensors located around the device and see what

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-09-12 Thread Alan Kamrowski II
Hi Guido, A couple more questions about the RFTG if you have a moment: What are you default values for Avg Sample, Time Corr Schedule, and Freq Corr Schedule. Mine are 5, 15, 1440... Also with yours up and running how often does it make adjustments? Mine has been running for 82 hours and

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update

2013-09-12 Thread wb6bnq
Dear Mr. Adam Maurer (VK4GHZ), It really has nothing to do with your accolades, accomplishments or the number of posts made on a list, chat room, forum, or even Youtube videos. Your attitude is an entirely different issue, however. Mr. Robert Atkinson (G8PRI) treated you with respect and

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-12 Thread Bob Stewart
I hadn't given it any thought.  I saw some ad that said 1.5 volts so I assumed that.  But, after looking through the datasheet I see an  efficiency figure of  73 percent for the adjustable one, so that does imply a need for about 20.5 volts.  OTOH, it says the feedback voltage is 1.23V, so I

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-12 Thread quartz55
Well, I was in HD tonight and 100' is $25. Otherwise they had a roll of 500' for around $50. Nothing in between. You have to realize nothing out here in the boonies comes easy. I only need maybe 150' and actually the 3 pieces of 50' I have are not that old. We'll see what happens. Right

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-12 Thread quartz55
The LH OSCdisplay is measuring 'parts per trillion/div' of what? Sorry for the basic question, but I have not found it. At least I figured out it was trillion, not thousand. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-09-12 Thread Alan Kamrowski II
Hi Bob, I've got one of these: MCP9701A-E/TO-ND: http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?x=0y=0lang=ensite=usKeyWords=MC P9701A-E%2FTO-ND Mounted to the connector side of the LPRO. I made a small aluminum bracket that fits under the hex head connector screws and clamps the TO92 to the LPRO

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update

2013-09-12 Thread Joseph Gray
Do all of us have to continue to be subjected to this pissing contest? Please quit or take it offline. Joe Gray W5JG On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:13 PM, wb6bnq wb6...@cox.net wrote: Dear Mr. Adam Maurer (VK4GHZ), It really has nothing to do with your accolades, accomplishments or the number

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-12 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Looking at the LM2596 datasheet the switch transistor saturation voltage is 1.5V max at 3A (1.16v typ). That and an educated guess of about 0.25V for inductor loss combine to set the minimum difference between input and output. The 1.23V reference is about +/-3% accurate, so after setting the

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update

2013-09-12 Thread Orin Eman
Enough already. As ever, the followups are worse than the original offense, if any. Robert should not have forwarded Adam's reply to the list, but since he did, note that _another list member_ suggested that Adam post the information here. Nice welcome. Not. Orin, KJ7HQ.

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-12 Thread Orin Eman
Yes, my reading of the datasheet was the same. 18V in would be fine for 15V output. My concern would be how noisy the output would be. I have 9 of the from China ebay boards here (gave one to my boss to play with). I should wire one up and take a look. At any rate, I think a turn or two of

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-12 Thread Bob Stewart
Thanks for the input Orin!  I'm trying to keep this from turning into the monumental effort my GPSDO had turned into, at least for the moment.  So it's going to have to accept whatever the buckboard gives it, unless that's not enough.  I just want to see what kind accuracy my GPSDO gives on the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Display

2013-09-12 Thread johncroos
It has been my pleasure to own and operate the VK4GHZ Thunderbolt display for several months. It works good, does what is should and I am totally pleased with it. It was easily installed and operated from the get go. If I did not have one I would have appreciated being notified of the of such a

[time-nuts] RFTG GPSDO and other GPSDO questions...

2013-09-12 Thread Alan Kamrowski II
Hi Everyone, I've had some fun and learned quite a bit trying to get my Lucent RFTG rubidium module to discipline itself to a GPS module. It has an interesting way of doing this that I'm not sure is the best or the worst, but it is constantly figuring out an average phase error between the

[time-nuts] Thunder Bolt Display...

2013-09-12 Thread Burt I. Weiner
Well, I thought it was appropriate for this group. But, what do I know. I would probably get one except that I don't have a Thunderbolt. Even so, it was interesting to see the video. Well done, Adam. Burt, K6OQK Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California