Re: [time-nuts] BeagleBone Black DDMTD update

2014-10-30 Thread Iain Young
Hi Simon, On 29/10/14 20:15, Simon Marsh wrote: This is a fairly long post, at the top is a bit of description of of changes since my last posts and then around the middle is some description of the data thats attached. The data raises a few questions, and I'll put those in a separate post.

Re: [time-nuts] Really fast ADC needed

2014-10-30 Thread Neil Schroeder
Agilent and Hitite make the only monsters that I am aware of being commercially available. I have heard tell of implementing time interleaved ADCs and magical wonderous but barely stable fpga ideas. Could ask around. hol...@hotmail.com wrote: A friend of mine is looking for an ADC that can

Re: [time-nuts] Really fast ADC needed

2014-10-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 Oct 2014 04:48, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: A friend of mine is looking for an ADC that can do 5 bits at 20-40 gigasamples/second... there is a timing related component to the project. Any ideas of who makes a decent beastie? It needs to supply continuous data so things like a

Re: [time-nuts] BeagleBone Black DDMTD update

2014-10-30 Thread Simon Marsh
On 30/10/2014 07:12, Iain Young wrote: Hi Simon, On 29/10/14 20:15, Simon Marsh wrote: This is a fairly long post, at the top is a bit of description of of changes since my last posts and then around the middle is some description of the data thats attached. The data raises a few questions,

Re: [time-nuts] Really fast ADC needed

2014-10-30 Thread Alexander Pummer
pipeline converter, but it needs as many clock period as the required bits, does he has the fast logic to deal with that amount of data? 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 10/29/2014 9:46 PM, Mark Sims wrote: A friend of mine is looking for an ADC that can do 5 bits at 20-40 gigasamples/second... there is a

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-30 Thread Simon Marsh
Lots more pictures and data uploaded here: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvFGRfj4aFkMFBtNWFSZVBKWkkusp=sharing In an effort to understand which component was responsible for my ~17us spikes I decided to go back to basics with just a single DFlop (AC74) on a breadboard; no BBB, just

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-30 Thread Chuck Harris
Generally speaking, metastability problems with FF's are caused by an inappropriate timing relationship causing both of the latch gates to get stuck between a logic 1 and a logic 0. If you are in the exact right spot, the FF has no way to decide whether to go up, or to go down, so it just hangs

Re: [time-nuts] Really fast ADC needed

2014-10-30 Thread Sebastian Diaz
Fujitsu used to sell ultra-fast charge mode interleaved sampler (CHAIS) ICs. These have analog bandwidths of ~20GHz and sampling rates of 65 GS/s, 8-bit resolution, with ENOB 5-6. They pipe data out at a max 128 bit* 500MHz (8 GB/s). How are you planning to digest this data stream? Regards,

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Götz Romahn
Just a hint: I tried successfully Ulrichs Z38XX software (http://www.ulrich-bangert.de/html/downloads.html) in Windows7-32. At least the Manual Command Entry and the Debug Window should work. regards Götz Am 29.10.2014 23:55, : Hi One thing that might help others who are having issues with

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Götz Romahn
and here comes another trick: Ulrich's Z38XX can be persuaded to accept the Z3811 instead of an Z3805. For this to happen search with an Hex-editor in Z38XX twice for the string z3805 and replace this z3805 with z3811, save the changes and enjoy the various Views Ulrich provided. Götz Am

Re: [time-nuts] Really fast ADC needed

2014-10-30 Thread Graham / KE9H
A startup in Massachusetts named Hypres has/had exactly what you want. It is a cryogenic delta-sigma converter using some kind of quantum logic. As I remember it did about four bits per sample at up to 40 Giga-samples per second. You have to run it submerged in liquid Helium. But they would sell

Re: [time-nuts] Really fast ADC needed

2014-10-30 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
He will use a beagleboard via bluetooth to absorb the data rate hahaha. Pipedream. In a message dated 10/30/2014 10:32:58 Pacific Daylight Time, ke9h.gra...@gmail.com writes: A startup in Massachusetts named Hypres has/had exactly what you want. It is a cryogenic delta-sigma

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-30 Thread Chris Caudle
From: Simon Marsh subscripti...@burble.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis Message-ID: 54524f04.7060...@burble.com The first few pics (DFlop-unsync-floating-*) show the Q output, which was unconnected to anything other than the oscilloscope. They show a few glitches at the

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-30 Thread Hal Murray
subscripti...@burble.com said: In an effort to understand which component was responsible for my ~17us spikes I decided to go back to basics with just a single DFlop (AC74) on a breadboard; no BBB, just a couple of oscillators driving the data and clock pins ... I don't know what the

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Götz Romahn
I also tried Steward Cobbs RS422 - Rs232 hack but with no joy in the beginning. First I had used the standard RS232 com1 port of my computer with no success. Later I tried my Prolific USB-to Serial adapter and things got better. After some measurments and looking at the pinout of the

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Anthony Roby
I'm still having no luck with mine. When I power on, the LEDs cycle, the Fault light is on and the No GPS and Standby lights flash. When I connect my GPS antenna, the No GPS light stops flashing and stays on. After several minutes only the Standby light is on. When I connect both the Ref1

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-30 Thread Hal Murray
subscripti...@burble.com said: In an effort to understand which component was responsible for my ~17us spikes ... 17 microseconds is 58 KHz. That's a reasonable number for a switching power supply. What does your power look like? I don't know what you are using for a circuit. My guess is

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Anthony, Did you power cycle both units as part of connecting them together at J5 to J5?  And can you remind me whether you are using the supplied interface cable, or are you using something else?  After warmup, the ON light is on for the REF-0 unit and the STBY light is on for the REF-1

[time-nuts] Really fast ADC needed

2014-10-30 Thread Mark Sims
Oh, it gets much more fun than that... try doing it with 32 channels. I haven't a clue what this system will use... and frankly am rather glad I don't have to do it. I have built some rather large systems that were a bit ahead of their time. Early 80's did a 256,000 custom processor

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Tom Miller
The fault light will come on until both oscillators have locked. It takes a long while, at least on mine. I think it needs to establish the position before everything is stable. - Original Message - From: Anthony Roby ar...@antamy.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-30 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 30.10.2014 um 20:08 schrieb Hal Murray: 17 microseconds is 58 KHz. That's a reasonable number for a switching power supply. What does your power look like? I don't know what you are using for a circuit. My guess is that the crap on the power is shifting the switching point slightly.

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Rubidium reference source for frequency counter

2014-10-30 Thread Adrian
Karen, as by the datasheet, the time interval resolution of your counter is 50 ps. This translates into an ADEV value of 5E-11 at tau = 1 sec, 5E-12 at tau = 10 sec etc, and represents the theoretical measurement limit of the counter. It can be measured by feeding the same signal into both

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Rubidium reference source for frequency counter

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The gotcha with translating ADEV directly to a measurement is the nature of ADEV. You are looking at a standard deviation measure, so the result will be some sort of “one sigma” kind of measure. Bob On Oct 30, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Adrian rfn...@arcor.de wrote: Karen, as by the

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It looks like the power bricks are labeled 1.9A. This is at 18V. At 24V max current is probably 1.3A or so. It’s also labeled 25W. That is a good indication the 1.3 might be a little high. It’s a good bet that the -15V output has nearly zero load, so the “real” max should be below 1A at

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Oct 28, 2014, at 11:41 PM, Tom Miller tmiller11...@verizon.net wrote: Until you have the two units tied together and GPS ok and the Fault light out, you won't see the 15 MHz signal. You should see a 5 volt pp square wave of sorts coming out of the 10 MHz port. I found a clean 10

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Anthony Roby
I was finally able to get my units to lock and behave as described below. I am still unable to get any data into the PC, either via the RS422 to RS232 hack or through Götz Romahn's modification of the RS422 output. This issue must be to do with the voltage levels. I did connect my scope up

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I wonder if anybody has a copy of Ulrich’s source code? If so, there might be somebody on the list willing to rework it for the 3810 series and the more modern operating systems. Bob On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Götz Romahn go...@g-romahn.de wrote: and here comes another trick:

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi How about a picture of the “as built” circuit? There may be something about the construction that’s the issue. Bob On Oct 30, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Simon Marsh subscripti...@burble.com wrote: Lots more pictures and data uploaded here:

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Anthony, When you ran Satstat, did you open the serial port?  Click Commport-Settings and set it 9600,8,N,1.  Then click Commport-Port open.  Works OK under XP for me.  I haven't tried it under Wine as I'm out of serial ports on the server and have the laptop to use. Bob From:

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812A GPSDO system

2014-10-30 Thread Anthony Roby
Yes I did, with XP running in VirtualBox on Win7 with COM1 mapped to the hardware port and a serial cable connected to another cable that does the pin conversion. I also tried it via a USB cable connected to an FTDI serial to USB convertor. I'll play around with it some more this weekend.