Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread Chris Albertson
How good does the sine wave need to be? The usual method is to use a low-pass filter A CLC "pi" filter works. On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, skipp Isaham via time-nuts wrote: > re: 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion > > The GPSDO I recently acquired outputs a 10 MHz square wave. I'd like

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread Graham / KE9H
All you need is a 10 MHz low pass filter. How far down do you need the harmonics/spurious to be? If 40 dB suppression of the 2nd and 3rd harmonics is adequate, (you can't see the distortion with the eye on an oscilloscope) you can make your own for about $2 in parts, not including a PC board or h

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The simple approach is to buffer it with a few ‘125 buffers in parallel. Then convert to sine wave with a T-network matching section. There are a lot of matching calculators on the web. Something in the 50 to 200 ohm input range and 50 ohm output is a reasonable way to go. More gates and hig

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread Bob Darlington
Here's the URL to the document I was referring to: http://www.w1ghz.org/small_proj/10MHz_Filter_for_GPS_Reference.zip And I see in my simulation I have the inductor and cap in the center of the schematic reversed, however it was built properly. -Bob On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Bob Darlingt

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread Vasco Soares
Hi, What distortion level would you like to achieve? Regards, Vasco Soares Em 2015-07-16 18:49, skipp Isaham via time-nuts escreveu: re: 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion The GPSDO I recently acquired outputs a 10 MHz square wave. I'd like to convert it to a sine wave and I am looking for

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread Bob Darlington
For the life of me I can't find the link to the schematic or any mention of it in the archives. Google fail. However, I was able to find some screen shots and pictures from the Chebyshev filter that I built from the docs that I originally found here. This should get you started if you want to r

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
You can't use the square wave? You could put in a resonant circuit that will select the fundamental but other issues arise, such as phase noise and harmonic content.  How much harmonic content can you tolerate? There is a host of ways to do this job but much depends on your requirements. Bob K6DD

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO with ADEV of 1E-13 on Pluto Mission

2015-07-16 Thread Chuck Harris
I'm not sure what happened to all of the spares, but I do know that the spare bird was assembled, coddled, polished, and hung from the ceiling of the Udvar Hazy Air and Space Museum in Chantilly, Virginia. I think everything is there except for the RPG, and Tombaugh's ashes. I'm pretty sure it e

[time-nuts] Ublox LEA-6T CFG-PRT command question

2015-07-16 Thread Bob Stewart
I want to change the UART1 port speed on my LEA-6T via message string from my GPSDO board.  I had assumed that I would have to discover (or know) the baud rate already set on the LEA-6T in order to change it.  But it appears that the LEA-6T can receive messages at any baud rate, but you need to

Re: [time-nuts] Firmware and antenna for Stanford Research FS700 Loran C frequency standard

2015-07-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Quick and simple: 1) Signal power is proportional to the area of the loop. Bigger is better. 2) Inductance is proportional to the turns squared. Turns do not directly affect signal to noise. 3) Inductance may be resonated with a capacitor. This gives a bandpass function. 4) The coil shapes a

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO with ADEV of 1E-13 on Pluto Mission

2015-07-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are some amazing things you can afford to do when you are targeting a < 20 pcs / year market and have dozens of people to work on the product. Bob > On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Brian, WA1ZMS wrote: > > The crystal in the ref osv. came from Bliley. The part number is BG-61. I > ha

Re: [time-nuts] Firmware and antenna for Stanford Research FS700 Loran C frequency standard

2015-07-16 Thread Ole Stender Nielsen
Hi Magnus, The 2E21 is a 2.21 Ohms resistor. The RC network was found useful to ensure loading at higher frequencies. Best regards Ole Den 16-07-2015 kl. 18:27 skrev Magnus Danielson: Ole, What is the value of the "2E21" resistor? Looks like a typo. 2k? Feel inspired to rig up something for m

Re: [time-nuts] UrsaNav LORAN next test date

2015-07-16 Thread Scott McGrath
The Dymec 100 active antenna systems are also a good choice and don't require a DC block between the Austron and antennas As they are split into an indoor and outdoor unit Content by Scott Typos by Siri > On Jul 16, 2015, at 9:09 AM, paul swed wrote: > > Dan > I have several 2100s and 2100F

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO with ADEV of 1E-13 on Pluto Mission

2015-07-16 Thread Brian, WA1ZMS
The crystal in the ref osv. came from Bliley. The part number is BG-61. I have no idea what the current cost is, but like most very good oscillators the crystals were hand sorted and graded. -Brian, WA1ZMS iPhone > On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:17 AM, "John Stuart" wrote: > > Here is an interesting

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO with ADEV of 1E-13 on Pluto Mission

2015-07-16 Thread John Laur
The link below is an updated version of the same paper: http://www.boulder.swri.edu/~tcase/NH%20RF%20Telecom%20Sys%20ID1369%20FINAL_Deboy.pdf It has considerably more detail on the RF components as well as the USO module for which there is an entire page of additional information and a block diag

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO with ADEV of 1E-13 on Pluto Mission

2015-07-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/16/15 8:17 AM, John Stuart wrote: Here is an interesting link to the New Horizons Mission to Pluto radio system design. Note last section describes an OCXO with ADEV = 1E-13 at 1s, and aging rate of <1E-11 per day. That's no ordinary OCXO. That's a USO made at APL. The crystal is in a s

[time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread skipp Isaham via time-nuts
re: 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion The GPSDO I recently acquired outputs a 10 MHz square wave. I'd like to convert it to a sine wave and I am looking for suggestions and info re any reasonable pre-made circuits and/or boards. No sense reinventing the wheel if I can avoid it. Otherwise

Re: [time-nuts] Firmware and antenna for Stanford Research FS700 Loran C frequency standard

2015-07-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
Ole, What is the value of the "2E21" resistor? Looks like a typo. 2k? Feel inspired to rig up something for my FS700. Will wooden frame my TP-cable wired to form a 8 turns times the cable-turns. Cheers, Magnus On 07/16/2015 09:05 AM, Ole Stender Nielsen wrote: I use a home-made untuned loop

Re: [time-nuts] Firmware and antenna for Stanford Research FS700 Loran C frequency standard

2015-07-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , "Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)" writes: >but roughly how many turns were there on the coil? Probably too many, all things considered, but I have *no* idea. >Do you have a circuit for the amplifier? It was based on/inspired by a schematic I found on vlf.it >I mu

Re: [time-nuts] Re GPS Leap Second

2015-07-16 Thread Mike Cook
> Le 16 juil. 2015 à 12:52, Blair Lade a écrit : > > Hi All, > > I've just joined time nuts so go easy on me! > > > > An interesting 'moment' in time was had during the leap second! > > The Symmetricon 2100 I have is fitted with the modified Heol GPS. > > According to the video I took of t

Re: [time-nuts] Firmware and antenna for Stanford Research FS700 Loran C frequency standard

2015-07-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <55a757d3.9050...@mail.tele.dk>, Ole Stender Nielsen writes: >I use a home-made untuned loop antenna [...] A note about Loran-C and loop-antennas: The loop-antennas are sensitive to magnetic fields and therefore sensitive to direction. Depending on side of the loop you point

[time-nuts] OCXO with ADEV of 1E-13 on Pluto Mission

2015-07-16 Thread John Stuart
Here is an interesting link to the New Horizons Mission to Pluto radio system design. Note last section describes an OCXO with ADEV = 1E-13 at 1s, and aging rate of <1E-11 per day. http://www.uhf-satcom.com/amateurdsn/Paper-969.pdf I wonder if their spares will show up on eBay? John Stua

Re: [time-nuts] ULA launch of GPS IIF-10

2015-07-16 Thread Gregory Beat
After this launch -- the U.S. will decommission (retire) one the remaining II-A (Rockwell/Collins) GPS satellites launched in 1990s. According to my reference -- only 3 of those II-A birds are still active or in backup status. I would expect those 3 birds to be decommissioned by 2017. g. beat

Re: [time-nuts] Firmware and antenna for Stanford Research FS700 Loran C frequency standard

2015-07-16 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
ZOn 15 Jul 2015 22:18, "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: > > > David Kirkby - Kirkby > Microwave Ltd " writes: > > >What's the best sort of antenna for these? > > I use a $20 loop antenna I have rigged up myself, it lives in my attic: > > http://phk.freebsd.dk/loran-c/Antenna/ Hi, Tha

Re: [time-nuts] UrsaNav LORAN next test date

2015-07-16 Thread paul swed
Dan I have several 2100s and 2100Fs and they are a really good unit. Feed in your local reference and it will tell you the offset from the loran station. The loran signal typically uses 3 CS references. Certainly distance and propagation enter into the picture as far as accuracy goes. But as an alt

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C returning to a station near you...

2015-07-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I think the WWVB PM stuff is relevant to Loran in the US. We have (pretty much) the most involved group of “customers” for that signal here on the list. As far as I have seen, the only project that has gone past the talk stage is the converter to drive the old(er) WWVB gear. Even with our l

[time-nuts] Re GPS Leap Second

2015-07-16 Thread Blair Lade
Hi All, I've just joined time nuts so go easy on me! An interesting 'moment' in time was had during the leap second! The Symmetricon 2100 I have is fitted with the modified Heol GPS. According to the video I took of the front LCD displays, it repeated the first second, ie 58,59,00,01,01,0

[time-nuts] E4437B phase noise spurs. Any ideas?

2015-07-16 Thread Wolfgang DL1SKY
Hi, I just got a used/refurbished E4437B which I wanted to use as a all-purpose RF generator primarily for 3-4 GHz. Unfortunately, I'm seeing strange spurs for frequencies above 2.4 GHz, see the green curve in the attached image. The yellow curve is an SMIQ03 for comparison. Observations: - Fo

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C returning to a station near you...

2015-07-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <07538A701D6E4F8D804BD567DD794693@gnat>, "Alan Melia" writes: I mean that a Loran-C signal designed as I proposed in a previous email would not do that, because it wouldn't have the groups and GRI-peridodicties which cause the splatter up and down the band. >It just depends wh

Re: [time-nuts] UrsaNav LORAN next test date

2015-07-16 Thread D W
Paul, thanks for that info. Very interesting. I've been enjoying all of the Loran talk on the mailing list recently. I just picked up a NOS 2100F on eBay to play around with. Maybe I'll be able to do something useful with it one day if they continue with eLoran tests. Dan > On Jul 15, 2015, at