Re: [time-nuts] A few questions about Tboltmon

2015-08-06 Thread Chris Waldrup
Thank you to all.  I will check these items and report back to the group what I found.  The antenna is up in the clear and I am feeding it with somewhere in the range of 60-75 feet of RG 6 quad shield.  Chris — Sent from Mailbox On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Chris Albertson

Re: [time-nuts] A few questions about Tboltmon

2015-08-06 Thread David C. Partridge
No, but Lady Heather will do that. Regards, David Partridge -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Waldrup Sent: 06 August 2015 12:59 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] A few questions

[time-nuts] Know thy components

2015-08-06 Thread James Flynn
In the world of time nuts, little things matter. Nanoseconds are an eternity. We rip our hair out (if we have any left) over 1E-11 errors, weep over phase noise and shriek about Allen deviations, modified or otherwise. The question is: just where are the little things? If you are new at this,

[time-nuts] HP10811 vs 00105 OCXO

2015-08-06 Thread cdelect
Luciano, I have found that selected 10811 units will offer significantly better short term stability as a stand alone or open loop oscillator over the 105 style oscillator. (Mid parts in 10-13th from 1 to 100 Seconds) However with the 5065A locked the performance will be driven by the loop and

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 8/5/15 8:27 PM, Donald wrote: On 8/5/2015 7:55 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Analog Devices has some very nice ADC’s that are directly targeted at doing this general sort of thing. They do not have any “odd” filtering approach that creates issues. Some of the early 192 KHz audio parts did not do

[time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info...

2015-08-06 Thread Burt I. Weiner
My favorite WWVB clock is the Junghans Mega Atomic Alarm Clock. I have several of them and they work almost anywhere (in the USA). The manual says to change the battery once every 30 days. Just for fun I wanted to see how long they could go without having to change the AA battery - two of

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 8/5/15 8:03 PM, Donald wrote: On 8/5/2015 6:44 PM, Jim Lux wrote: I'm not sure it would buy you much.. you'd have something running at 240kHz switching the inputs to the detector? It's MUCH easier to just digitize the 60kHz with a high resolution converter. And have a nice BPF in front of

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-06 Thread Donald
On 8/5/2015 7:55 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Analog Devices has some very nice ADC’s that are directly targeted at doing this general sort of thing. They do not have any “odd” filtering approach that creates issues. Some of the early 192 KHz audio parts did not do very well past 1/4 the clock rate.

Re: [time-nuts] A few questions about Tboltmon

2015-08-06 Thread Bryan _
Did you do 48 hour precision first survey first to get an accurate Lat/Long/ altitude?. You will probably need to start with a cold reset to erase any previously stored data and then perform the survey. -=Bryan=- Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:16:23 -0700 From: kd4...@gmail.com To:

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-06 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: You *might* even be able to dispense with the tear down of the KS box and feed it 1 pps out of your ADC / FPGA / MCU / Bailing wire rig. Instant WWVB disciplined OCXO. Has anybody investigated the signals on the cable between the two boxes? The status screen on the

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-06 Thread Donald
On 8/5/2015 6:44 PM, Jim Lux wrote: I'm not sure it would buy you much.. you'd have something running at 240kHz switching the inputs to the detector? It's MUCH easier to just digitize the 60kHz with a high resolution converter. And have a nice BPF in front of the digitizer. The

Re: [time-nuts] eLORAN test 6 Aug. Both Dana In. and wildwood nj

2015-08-06 Thread D W
Picking up a strong signal here in North Carolina. My 2100F has been locked to Wildwood all morning. I'm using a 5' wire whip and a home brew preamp. Not hearing Dana yet. Dan On Aug 4, 2015, at 2:34 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: The Wildwood, NJ Transmitter will be on air from

Re: [time-nuts] A few questions about Tboltmon

2015-08-06 Thread Bryan _
Chris: If you did a cold reset I *think* it should have already done that, you would have known because it would have said conducting survey or something like that as opposed to Overdetermined clock. To be safe and force it,use the following keystrokes in LH S and then P -=Bryan=-

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 vs 00105 OCXO

2015-08-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi HP 10811’s vary over almost a 100:1 range in terms of ADEV performance at short tau. The standard model is un-sealed so it has some issues with humidity when it is in storage for a long time. In both the case of the 10811 and the 105, their stability will improve as they are on power. In

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Well, at least *some* of the chips out there do not make it to 96 KHz when sampling at 192 KHz. It’s been a few years since I dug into them. Back then a chip that had an internal filter that went to 96K was very much the exception rather than the rule. If the only point of 192K is getting

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The gotcha with under sampling is the need for tight bandpass filters in front of the sampler. Narrow bandwidth always equates to long delay. If the filters are analog (rather than digital) that delay will have drift and temperature sensitivity. Both of those things are to be avoided (if

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Aug 6, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 8/5/15 8:27 PM, Donald wrote: On 8/5/2015 7:55 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Analog Devices has some very nice ADC’s that are directly targeted at doing this general sort of thing. They do not have any “odd” filtering

Re: [time-nuts] eLORAN test 6 Aug. Both Dana In. and wildwood nj

2015-08-06 Thread paul swed
not on that I can see On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:46 PM, D W watsondani...@gmail.com wrote: Picking up a strong signal here in North Carolina. My 2100F has been locked to Wildwood all morning. I'm using a 5' wire whip and a home brew preamp. Not hearing Dana yet. Dan On Aug 4, 2015, at

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-06 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 8/5/2015 12:43 AM, Donald wrote: /Does anyone have a schematic for building a simple WWVB receiver ?/ You might give a look at this : http://armradio.weaksignals.com The board itself costs less than 25 USD. The other components just a few $$. Of course you need to know how to solder...

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-06 Thread Neil McNeight
Clint, Is this the design you are looking for? http://webpages.charter.net/ekyle/WWVB.html -Neil On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Clint Turner tur...@ussc.com wrote: Years ago I ran across a project in which the WWVB signal, after being siphoned from a cheap TRF clock module with a Hi-Z

[time-nuts] KS-24361 REF-0 standalone

2015-08-06 Thread Edesio Costa e Silva
Hello Fellows! Had anyone managed to run the KS-24361 REF-0, the one without GPS, as a standalone unit? If so, can you provide some links on how to configure it? The reason to try this is cost. The REF-0 unit costs USD 25 + USD 52.30 (shipping to Brazil) and I have to pay the same amount as

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info...

2015-08-06 Thread Arnold Tibus
Burt, according the manual for this clock, the typical operating time for one 1.5V AA battery is 3 years! (but may last longer with good battery quality!) link for the manual: http://www.junghanswatchesusa.net/assets/images/manuals/alarm.pdf Unfortunately I cannot find the equivalent for DCF

Re: [time-nuts] eLORAN test 6 Aug. Both Dana In. and wildwood nj

2015-08-06 Thread Stan W1LE
I am locked at 8970 GRI, have been for a few hours No luck with 9960 GRI from this location. Using a SRS FS700 Stan, W1LECape CodFN41sr On 8/6/2015 4:10 PM, paul swed wrote: not on that I can see On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:46 PM, D W watsondani...@gmail.com wrote: Picking up a

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-06 Thread Clint Turner
Years ago I ran across a project in which the WWVB signal, after being siphoned from a cheap TRF clock module with a Hi-Z follower, IIRC, was shoved directly into the A/D input (10 bits) of a rather low-end PIC running at a fairly low sample rate - something in the 4-8 kHz range. IIRC, from

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info...

2015-08-06 Thread Donald
I have found this old posting from 2014: https://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2014-August/086043.html Ivan Cousins states: A WWVB receiver can now be done on an Arduino microprocessor with a little help from an antenna. Googleing has not found such an article or project. Has this ever

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-06 Thread Graham / KE9H
As long as there is no analog audio bandwidth Nyquist filter, or it is digital and scales with the sampling frequency, then I agree. --- Graham == On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:24 AM, David G. McGaw david.g.mc...@dartmouth.edu wrote: That is not true. If the converter is set to 192kHz sampling,

Re: [time-nuts] Know thy components

2015-08-06 Thread Hal Murray
james.fl...@csun.edu said: carbon composition 5% -550 ppm/deg C cheap 5 % metal film -240 ppm/deg C 1% metal film axial lead -1 ppm/deg C 1% thick film surface mount -1 ppm/deg C ... Also the carbon composition resistor drifted with time at elevated temperature.

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-06 Thread David G. McGaw
That is not true. If the converter is set to 192kHz sampling, the bandwidth will be nearly 96kHz, typically at least 80kHz, not limited to 20kHz. That is the POINT of 192kHz sampling. David N1HAC On 8/5/15 10:03 PM, Graham / KE9H wrote: Scott: You won't be able to use an off-the-shelf

Re: [time-nuts] A few questions about Tboltmon

2015-08-06 Thread Pete Stephenson
The GPS satellites are not geosynchronous; they move with an orbital period of 12 hours, so their position in the sky is constantly changing. However, they return to the same position in the sky (modulo repositioning) twice per day. It sounds like your Thunderbolt has a saved location that

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Aug 5, 2015, at 11:27 PM, Donald donvuko...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/5/2015 7:55 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Analog Devices has some very nice ADC’s that are directly targeted at doing this general sort of thing. They do not have any “odd” filtering approach that creates issues. Some

Re: [time-nuts] A few questions about Tboltmon

2015-08-06 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Chris Waldrup kd4...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, But when I unplugged the AC power from the Thunderbolt and plugged it back in, I was back to six satellites. I had thought that the GPS satellites I am able to see from my location are fixed 24/7. Do they move and

Re: [time-nuts] A few questions about Tboltmon

2015-08-06 Thread Chris Waldrup
Hi Bryan, I didn't do that. Is this something accessible under one of the tabs? Chris — Sent from Mailbox On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:21 AM, Bryan _ bpl...@outlook.com wrote: Did you do 48 hour precision first survey first to get an accurate Lat/Long/ altitude?. You will probably need

Re: [time-nuts] A few questions about Tboltmon

2015-08-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Aug 5, 2015, at 10:16 PM, Chris Waldrup kd4...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I got my new Thunderbolt up and running this past weekend but I have a few questions. I understand Lady Heather is a better program, and I have downloaded it. However right now I am trying to get things right