[time-nuts] Patek Phillipe mechanical clock

2017-06-11 Thread Mark Sims
My 5065A has one of those tick-monsters in it. You can hear the damn thing two states away (three at night). Luckily it powers up disabled, but once you enable it you can't stop it. I've only enabled it once... that was enough... lesson learned. > I hear they are quite

Re: [time-nuts] BTTF : Austron 1210-C Crystal Clock

2017-06-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Jim, Maybe a version of this?: http://leapsecond.com/history/Benchmark.htm The audible (1 kc) whine was probably from the model 113 or 115. See if any of the following pages remind you: http://leapsecond.com/hpclocks/ http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/hewlett_pa_frequency_divider_and_cl.html htt

Re: [time-nuts] BTTF : Austron 1210-C Crystal Clock

2017-06-11 Thread Jim Harman
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 9:01 PM, paul swed wrote: > But perhaps whats magical gold is the Patek Phillipe clock movement. Just a > guess.I hear they are quite annoying clunkers actually. I have never owned > one but a fellow in Europe was telling me you can really here them tick. > In my first jo

Re: [time-nuts] BTTF : Austron 1210-C Crystal Clock

2017-06-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Greg, > Leap Second has a series of photos. > http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/au1210/ That would be me. There are quite a few versions of the Austron 1210 Crystal Oscillator, at least models A through D, as I tried to show on that page. I have a few and they are handy instruments, with a vi

Re: [time-nuts] BTTF : Austron 1210-C Crystal Clock

2017-06-11 Thread jimlux
On 6/11/17 6:37 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi The new age drill on anything unusual on eBay seems to be to start it out at $10,000 and lower it 5% every six months. Eventually you will hit the “right” price. Apparently it is much easier to do this than to actually research the item you have. I’ve al

Re: [time-nuts] BTTF : Austron 1210-C Crystal Clock

2017-06-11 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The new age drill on anything unusual on eBay seems to be to start it out at $10,000 and lower it 5% every six months. Eventually you will hit the “right” price. Apparently it is much easier to do this than to actually research the item you have. I’ve always wondered how these guys deal wit

Re: [time-nuts] BTTF : Austron 1210-C Crystal Clock

2017-06-11 Thread paul swed
Greg Ebay can always be sort of silly. ah for the old days when a rusty piece of stuff might go for a reasonable $. But perhaps whats magical gold is the Patek Phillipe clock movement. Just a guess.I hear they are quite annoying clunkers actually. I have never owned one but a fellow in Europe was t

[time-nuts] BTTF : Austron 1210-C Crystal Clock

2017-06-11 Thread Gregory Beat
BTTF : Back to the Future "moment" Austron was a company based in Austin, TX that manufactured crystal clocks for military and industry in late 1970s. Leap Second has a series of photos. http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/au1210/ Austron 1210-D Manual (digital model) Product produces 1 MHz and 5

Re: [time-nuts] Control Systems (was: uC ADC resolution)

2017-06-11 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Jun 11, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Chris Albertson > wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > >> Hi, >> > > >> >> You are asking a lot of question regarding control systems. >> But, there are no easy answers there. Especially if you want >> to build it cheap. The

Re: [time-nuts] E1938 oven design

2017-06-11 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi I certainly saw the “positive gain at this setting” going to “negative gain at that setting” result on a lot of OCXO designs. I never had the patience (or a stable enough system) to get into the millions or even 100K’s on a single oven. As a practical result, a gain of -500 is not really

Re: [time-nuts] Control Systems (was: uC ADC resolution)

2017-06-11 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:21:15 -0700 Chris Albertson wrote: > This has been my opinion for a LONG time. It is easy to come up with good > solutions if to just throw money at the problem.So you see here people > proposing just going top of the line all across but an engineer earns his > money >

Re: [time-nuts] Control Systems (was: uC ADC resolution)

2017-06-11 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > Hi, > > > You are asking a lot of question regarding control systems. > But, there are no easy answers there. Especially if you want > to build it cheap. The cheaper you want to be the more you > need to know and understand the problem. >

Re: [time-nuts] uC ADC resolution (was: Poor man's oven)

2017-06-11 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 6/11/2017 6:09 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi, What papers would you recommend reading? One of the things that we experimented on and improved was the passive wall to prohibit quick cooling of oven. A puff of air or the forced convection (fans) needed for other electronics would tie the

Re: [time-nuts] E1938 oven design

2017-06-11 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 6/11/2017 8:59 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: The exact insulation is relatively unimportant. We even tried still air using a knife edge cradle. Didn't make much difference. What is a knife edge cradle? We wanted to test still air as insulation. We couldn't just replace the insulation with

[time-nuts] Control Systems (was: uC ADC resolution)

2017-06-11 Thread Attila Kinali
Hi, On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:10:39 -0700 Chris Albertson wrote: > How many output bits are required? Most uPs have quite a few digital > output pins. Each pin could drive a heater resister. Values of the > resisters organized by power of two. Again note the title (poor mans...) > resisters c

Re: [time-nuts] E1938 oven design

2017-06-11 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 16:17:20 -0700 "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" wrote: > We were stuck under 1,000 for a long time > using only face heaters. I still remember the > day that I rigged up the first crude rim header > by winding a piece of magnet wire around the rim > and holding it in place with 5 mi

Re: [time-nuts] uC ADC resolution (was: Poor man's oven)

2017-06-11 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi A great starting point is Rick’s paper on the Hockey Puck. Bob > On Jun 11, 2017, at 9:09 AM, Magnus Danielson > wrote: > > Hi, > > What papers would you recommend reading? > > One of the things that we experimented on and improved was the passive wall > to prohibit quick cooling of ov

Re: [time-nuts] uC ADC resolution (was: Poor man's oven)

2017-06-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, What papers would you recommend reading? One of the things that we experimented on and improved was the passive wall to prohibit quick cooling of oven. A puff of air or the forced convection (fans) needed for other electronics would tie the metal shield very well to surrounding environmen