Re: [time-nuts] KD2BD WWVB receiver/decoder in QEX

2015-11-22 Thread paul swed
As mentioned a nice answer to the wwvb modulation change. I looked up the parts and it seems that they have gone into the NOS state. Though you can get some from digikey and such especially in the SOIC package. Also the VCO isn't available. It appears that the Chinese sight has the lmc6484 and LM38

Re: [time-nuts] KD2BD WWVB receiver/decoder in QEX

2015-11-23 Thread paul swed
Charles it is a lot of circuitry. But if you want just frequency out then lots of stuff drops out. Since I have experimented with much of this already I will do the reduced versions. There is no need for the PIC, the +- 45 degree chager in the front end, numbers of dividers, output selectors, analo

Re: [time-nuts] KD2BD WWVB receiver/decoder in QEX

2015-11-23 Thread paul swed
Charles I did see the slew rates and bandwidth and came to the conclusion those were not issues. Thats why I will build up a test board pretty quickly to confirm the component values still work. They should. It also means I do not need to wait for the LM873s to showup. Lots can be wired without the

Re: [time-nuts] KD2BD WWVB receiver/decoder in QEX

2015-11-23 Thread paul swed
. Ah the smell of burning insulation and flux in the evening. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:28 PM, paul swed wrote: > Charles I did see the slew rates and bandwidth and came to the conclusion > those were not issues. Thats why I will build up a test board pretty > quickly t

Re: [time-nuts] ACAM GP22 Chip

2015-11-24 Thread paul swed
Thomas Welcome to the group. I am sure others will comment. Many of us have a very wide range of experience and expertise so you should feel comfortable with any question. To the coax delay question. You are not pushing the limits. But its important to understand the impacts of such long lines. The

Re: [time-nuts] KD2BD WWVB receiver/decoder in QEX

2015-11-26 Thread paul swed
. Happy Thanks giving to everyone. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:41 PM, paul swed wrote: > Charles great suggestion on the NE5532. Just bread boarded the first > section of the receiver very quickly and the component values work as is. > Thats also as it should be. I nee

Re: [time-nuts] Need tiny 5MHz 10x amplifier

2015-11-28 Thread paul swed
The tl712cp works at 5 v and is self biased. Using one on the wwvb receiver to convert a 10 Mhz sine wave to square. 5V to 3.3 is pretty easy to convert. Maybe they make a 3.3V version. Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > I need to convert a 5MHz 0.2Vpp AC cou

[time-nuts] GPS down converter question

2015-11-30 Thread paul swed
I am looking at building a GPS down converter. LO 1500 Mhz locked to a 10 MHz ref. The IF will be at 75.42 Mhz how wide should it be? My question is simple. What should the IF pass band bandwidth be? Not sure if it should be 3-4 Mhz, 10 or 15 wide. Thanks Paul WB8TSL

Re: [time-nuts] GPS down converter question

2015-11-30 Thread paul swed
Guessing that you are working on > down-conversion for an old box, then 2,046 MHz will be your answer. > > Cheers, > Magnus > > > On 11/30/2015 06:37 PM, paul swed wrote: > >> I am looking at building a GPS down converter. >> LO 1500 Mhz locked to a 10 MHz ref

Re: [time-nuts] GPS down converter question

2015-12-01 Thread paul swed
Thanks everyone. The Meinberg is nice and maybe available from Ebay by Alex's link. But its 35.42 much as the Odetics down converter. I am looking to create a 75.42 Mhz IF. Mini-circuits makes just the right parts. But had several IF bandwidths available. So will go with the 2 or so MHz filter as s

Re: [time-nuts] GPS down converter question

2015-12-01 Thread paul swed
gt;> a >> filter better than a simple LC tank. Did they put the filter in the >> downconverter >> or in the main box? I would think that putting a fancy filter up by the >> antenna >> would have been a less likely thing to do than putting it down in the >> main

Re: [time-nuts] GPS down converter question

2015-12-01 Thread paul swed
Digikey was a strike out with 1 filter for 86 cents but order was 1000 units. Mouser however has a wide assortment very reasonable and by the single units. Hardest thing will be soldering them. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:29 PM, paul swed wrote: > Hello to the group h

Re: [time-nuts] GPS down converter question

2015-12-02 Thread paul swed
several in case I screw it up. Its clearly going to be at my maximum soldering skills. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:32 AM, paul swed wrote: > My bad mixing threads here the 1575 filter is in mouser and digikey has > them. > The 75 MHz is straight from mini-circuits. > Re

Re: [time-nuts] GPS down converter question

2015-12-02 Thread paul swed
Sorry mouser electroncs. On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 08:33:05PM -0500, paul swed wrote: > > Digikey was a strike out with 1 filter for 86 cents but > > order was 1000 units. > > Sorry, but could you point me to the filter

Re: [time-nuts] GPS down converter question

2015-12-02 Thread paul swed
My bad mixing threads here the 1575 filter is in mouser and digikey has them. The 75 MHz is straight from mini-circuits. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:31 AM, paul swed wrote: > Sorry mouser electroncs. > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Herbert Poetzl > wrote: >

Re: [time-nuts] GPS down converter question

2015-12-02 Thread paul swed
; already have > a narrowband filter (at 75 MHz) on it? > > Bob > > > On Dec 2, 2015, at 10:36 AM, paul swed wrote: > > > > To Bobs comments your right. That 75 MHz may not be needed because of the > > 1575 input filter. That would save $29. > > By the way I was

[time-nuts] eLORAN on the air starting 8 Dec

2015-12-02 Thread paul swed
Here is an on-air notice. The Wildwood eLoran transmitter will be continuously broadcasting from 0900 (EST) on 08 December 2015 through 1200 (EST) on 18 December 2015. Wildwood will be broadcasting as 8970 Master and Secondary most of the time but occasionally may operate at other rates. I can sa

[time-nuts] WWVB KD2BD receiver update

2015-12-02 Thread paul swed
The receiver works quite well. Two items that are a bit iffy. The AGC seems to work only at higher input levels. May not be an issue and handles the night time changes well. The carrier detect PLL seems semi useless. Plus the VCO cap seems wrong I had to triple its value to get to 10 KHz. But even

Re: [time-nuts] eLORAN on the air starting 8 Dec

2015-12-03 Thread paul swed
Bill not so sure about that. I agree they do pop up sort of randomly. The note I get is for the longer tests. Curious how are you monitoring?? I can see some magical 100 KHz rcvr with alarm/squelch seems to be handy. Not that they exist. I will guess the SRs700 would relock also but I don't leave t

Re: [time-nuts] soldering QFN (was: GPS down converter question)

2015-12-03 Thread paul swed
. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > Salut, > > On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 18:39:55 -0500 > paul swed wrote: > > > Just adding that this is home brew so no real boards. At the IF level > thats > > both large enough and easy enough to

Re: [time-nuts] soldering QFN (was: GPS down converter question)

2015-12-03 Thread paul swed
Attila sorry flipped some letters. On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:06 AM, paul swed wrote: > Atilla, > Thanks you have read what I have written and further your experience > aligns with mine for hacking these chips at least into the GHz range. I > suspect it really falls apart in the

Re: [time-nuts] eLORAN on the air starting 8 Dec

2015-12-03 Thread paul swed
d send him pics from our SA at times. Any ideas on what > might > be on 122.3 khz and 122.9 khz. > > 73, > > Bill, WA2DVU > Cape May > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed > Sent: Thursday, Decem

Re: [time-nuts] soldering QFN (was: GPS down converter question)

2015-12-03 Thread paul swed
Mark My thinking is to buy one from the guy who sold 2560 of them. Others have a far lower count. So figured he was the right one. Oh another project. Hack the solder station. Maybe I will wait a while on that. On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Mark Sims wrote: > These are a fairly nice and cheap

Re: [time-nuts] GPS down converter question

2015-12-04 Thread paul swed
Appreciate everyones guidance here. Interesting on the other threads. They might be fine on there own so they can be more easily searched in the future. They will be important as new systems come online. Other notes on the GPS down converter for an old receiver. OK I cheated and order a more class

[time-nuts] WWVB KD2BD receiver update

2015-12-04 Thread paul swed
Have run numbers of tests on the receiver and have to say for what it is it works pretty well. No GPSDO. Watching it you can see the costas loop behavior and filtering. It advances and retards +/- 100ns. That may be the very optimum result. I sometimes suspect its wider then that. Have added a cla

[time-nuts] Tracor 888 linear chart recorder manual

2015-12-05 Thread paul swed
Have a tracor linear chart recorder thats working. Does anyone have a pdf of the actual manual please? Thanks Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and fo

Re: [time-nuts] RG 6 U couplings

2015-12-05 Thread paul swed
Bert did not find much that I would trust. But the FM-FM should be about 3/4db from the various posts I have seen. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Bert Kehren via time-nuts < time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > At my new home the GPS antenna location has turned in to a challenge.

Re: [time-nuts] eLORAN on the air starting 8 Dec

2015-12-05 Thread paul swed
t; Not on until next week. > > Bill > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 1:55 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2015-12-07 Thread paul swed
Jim Welcome to time-nuts and you were indeed lucky to get a 5065. Lots of possible items. But the fact that the last line are all 0 may mean its as simple as the loop selector being open and not closed. Normally the control would tend to drift all the way over. On reset it goes all the way left and

[time-nuts] eLORAN on the air now. 8th to the 18th.

2015-12-08 Thread paul swed
Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject) - HP 5065A

2015-12-08 Thread paul swed
Jim Yes the A7 is sensitive. I actually injected 137 and 274 into it and as I recall the signal was very small to get large readings. Sorry do not recall the level. So if the tail ends working then it gets tricky because the possibility is the RF side of the puzzle. I have no idea what equipment yo

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: 5065 ?? direct

2015-12-08 Thread paul swed
DVMs, and sig gens > up to 1 GHz. No working Spec An on my bench now, but I have access to one > if needed... > > Jim > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: paul swed > Date: Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:35 PM > Subject: Re: 5065 ?? direct > To: J

Re: [time-nuts] Lessay and Soutons French LORAN Stations Shutting Down

2015-12-11 Thread paul swed
Iain Sorry to hear that. Much like the US a lost valuable reference. That said at least the following Austrons will work on the secondaries and only require 1 station. 2000, 2100, 2100F. I use them on secondaries all of the time. Just punch in the gri and then select secondary on the 2100 and just

Re: [time-nuts] Lessay and Soutons French LORAN Stations Shutting Down

2015-12-11 Thread paul swed
And with some Luck the US appears very interested in eLORAN. I have my Austrons running right now on 87900. They have one transmitter. But it emits the master and a fake secondary (Y). This is a 2 week test but there have been a number of longer duration tests starting this year. Regards Paul WB8TS

Re: [time-nuts] modification Lucent RFTG

2015-12-13 Thread paul swed
Joerg Yes this looks like a nice simple mod. Its difficult to tell from the pictures but in order to use the sma it looks like you cut the trace over by the cap. I ran into the same thing. The lead goes into the board and its end point is unclear. When I released a solution about 9 months ago I use

Re: [time-nuts] modification Lucent RFTG

2015-12-14 Thread paul swed
Jorg Excellent improvement.Now I can easily see the cap that was removed and whats left is the glue from manufacturing. It makes sense. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Jörg Logemann wrote: > Rex, > I made some modifications to my article and I hope, that everything is > ok n

Re: [time-nuts] End of Loran-C in Europe confirmed.

2015-12-19 Thread paul swed
It is very sorry to hear that this is happening. This was the same lame excuse they used in the US. Save 2 cents then find out you don't have launch vehicles to get replacement GPS satellites in orbit. Nor the funds to build the satellites. I am actually happy I did not build the large loop for Eur

Re: [time-nuts] End of Loran-C in Europe confirmed.

2015-12-19 Thread paul swed
I was of the impression 3 would do and the master can be one of the points. However for LORAN C after the new year it won't matter. eLORAN has some useful properties in the data channel. I suppose with luck we will all learn more about that. At least at the moment my old LORAN C gear is very happy

Re: [time-nuts] PPS phase between two GPS units.

2015-12-21 Thread paul swed
I think you are doing the right test to see if the splitter delay is the issue 21 ns is mighty small and a real possibility. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 8:24 PM, wrote: > Hi All, > > So I've been playing with some timing hardware here, and have noticed > something rather curious.

Re: [time-nuts] PPS phase between two GPS units.

2015-12-23 Thread paul swed
Dan Great and at least for me it makes sense from the active splitters I have seen that use diodes to allow one receiver to power the pre-amp. In my 8 way you have the diodes and L+Cs. The powered path is essentially the diode turned on. The non powered is a reverse biased diode and the C around th

Re: [time-nuts] Novatel ProPak-V3 GPSDO

2015-12-25 Thread paul swed
Ole, I took a look out of curiosity. The prices are a bit all over the place. I have not experimented with this. Not sure of any advantage over the Lucent Ref1 and Ref0s that have a good oven oscillator and actually work at a consistent price. Good luck if you move forward and let us know how it wo

Re: [time-nuts] Springer textbooks >10 years old now available for download as PDF at no cost

2015-12-29 Thread paul swed
Scott, Thank you for sharing these with Time-nuts. I have to say some good reading over the winter. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Scott Newell wrote: > At 10:48 AM 12/29/2015, Bob Camp wrote: > > Is there a practical way to download the entire book rather than doing 60 >>

[time-nuts] eLORAN will be on the air

2015-12-31 Thread paul swed
The Wildwood, NJ eLoran transmitter will be continuously broadcasting from 0900 (EST) on 05 January 2015 through 1500 (EST) on 15 January 2015. Wildwood will be broadcasting as 8970 Master and Secondary most of the time but occasionally may operate at other rates. Happy New Year everyone. Regards

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C Europe

2015-12-31 Thread paul swed
Yes indeed interesting that Anthorn's going at 0300 UTC. Our friends in the UK celebrating perhaps? Or something else cooking? You only need one station for frequency with the ole austrons. By the way when I could get lock it was the Lessay station 6371 I think. Only ever did that in the winter and

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C Norway/France/Germany shutdown

2015-12-31 Thread paul swed
Here is a comment I had made on one thread. Yes indeed interesting that Anthorn's going at 0300 UTC. Our friends in the UK celebrating perhaps? Or something else cooking? You only need one station for frequency with the ole austrons. By the way when I could get lock it was the Lessay station 6371 I

Re: [time-nuts] Loran Europe Lessay seems to be back on air?

2016-01-04 Thread paul swed
I somewhat may guess its Anthorn. My 2 cents from across the ocean. The Brits are pretty good about shutting things down. The fact that Anthorn stayed operational was pretty odd even if you thought the new years parties got in the way. Lets face it drink beer with friends or shut a transmitter in

Re: [time-nuts] Loran Europe Lessay seems to be back on air?

2016-01-04 Thread paul swed
Nigel In the US at least for the eastern half of the country the test station has been on lately for several weeks at a shot. Not exactly the old days but a great resource besides GPS to check my various references and note offsets and such using the austrons and SRS. I would agree 1 db difference

Re: [time-nuts] Loran Europe Lessay seems to be back on air?

2016-01-04 Thread paul swed
t might be a hint that the extra signal also came from Anthorn, e.g. > a dual-rate test. But this is of course just speculation. > > Regards, > Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM > > > > On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 02:19:29PM -0500, paul swed wrote: > > I somewhat may guess its Antho

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN Activity in the US

2016-01-05 Thread paul swed
Stan, Yes this is the test I sent the email out on last week and will run to the 15th. I accidentally put 2015. But that said I am also locked. Curious why are you using a battery at the antenna?? Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Stan W1LE wrote: > Hello The Nets: > > current

Re: [time-nuts] Loran Europe Lessay seems to be back on air?

2016-01-05 Thread paul swed
Well this is indeed a good new year. It would appear that Anthorn will be active for a year to 2017. It will be dual rated as a master and slave same sight. Much like the US. The ups and downs you are seeing are the process to dual rate the Master. Should settle out soon as Master and Y. So It woul

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 off by 45 seconds for 13 minutes, end of Jan 01 UTC

2016-01-05 Thread paul swed
I know little others will correct. But that would appear to be atomic time not UTC. Thats what jumps out to me at least. Regards Paul On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > Is anybody watching the output of their KS-24361? > > Mine was off by 45 seconds for 13 minutes at the end o

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD - analog multiplier vs. diode mixer ?

2016-01-05 Thread paul swed
Poul-Henning, I have some guesses but I look forward to others. I think the analog multipliers are complicated in pins and support circuitry especially if single power supply. I used lower frequency Analog Devices units in early experimentation on the wwvb d-psk-r. Granted they worked. They were al

Re: [time-nuts] Loran Europe Lessay seems to be back on air?

2016-01-06 Thread paul swed
The norm right now is 1 year. Enjoy while you can. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 1:50 PM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts < time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > Yes, they've been switching back and forth between one or two channels all > day, with the one channel state always being just the usual Anthorn Y > channe

Re: [time-nuts] Loran Europe Lessay seems to be back on air?

2016-01-06 Thread paul swed
Right but they are both the same station. Note the levels are pretty much the same. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > I see both a master and slave on 6731 from Denmark now. > > Same signal strength: > > http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/_.svg > > -- > Pou

Re: [time-nuts] Loran Europe Lessay seems to be back on air?

2016-01-06 Thread paul swed
I would give Anthorn some time to settle down. It will. Its a shame no one here has actual contacts with the people that run it. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Brian Inglis < brian.ing...@systematicsw.ab.ca> wrote: > On 2016-01-04 14:11, Alan Melia wrote: > >> I remember bein

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD - analog multiplier vs. diode mixer ?

2016-01-06 Thread paul swed
Yes must have been a year or so ago there was a thread I recall that someone was doing that. Thats one expensive approach to the problem. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Bruce Hunter via time-nuts < time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > I realize this would not measure frequency or pha

Re: [time-nuts] Loran Europe Lessay seems to be back on air?

2016-01-07 Thread paul swed
I will say that this is the case that Time-nuts can actually help. I suspect no one knows there are people out here that can tell the difference in the Master signals. I learned that lesson when I built up the Loran C simulator. The first one did not do the flips. Then when the Austrons would not l

[time-nuts] Allen deviation? Yes indeed that subject again

2016-01-08 Thread paul swed
I have been looking at the subject of Allen deviation and this has been discussed numbers of time on Time-nuts. But my question is this. If an oscillator is stable in frequency but shifts phase 90 degrees and then comes back in a short time. From my reading I don't think that will show up in a typ

Re: [time-nuts] Allen deviation? Yes indeed that subject again

2016-01-09 Thread paul swed
cleaning lady at NIST, it really was a random walk. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:11 AM, Magnus Danielson < mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org> wrote: > Paul, > > On 01/09/2016 03:05 AM, paul swed wrote: > >> I have been looking at the subject of Allen dev

Re: [time-nuts] New Member + Basic Questions

2016-01-10 Thread paul swed
Nathan, Bob shared a link for the Lucent units and a great amount of detail has been shared on Time-nuts about them. They will do what you want. The Ref0 requires a external GPS receiver and another Time-Nuts Arduino. It works really well and the quality of the ref0 seems to be that of the 1pps fee

Re: [time-nuts] New Member + Basic Questions

2016-01-10 Thread paul swed
e-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 1:56 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New Member + Basic Questions > > > > Nathan, > Bob shared a link for the Lucent uni

Re: [time-nuts] Tait reference

2016-01-10 Thread paul swed
What little I can tell is they are telco references so there may be something good inside OCXO or RB. It looks like it runs on -48VDC from the ebay pix. Its output could be any of the typical telco references that are not 5 or 10 MHz. These are pure guesses. The Price seems reasonable. Good luck Pa

Re: [time-nuts] New Member + Basic Questions

2016-01-11 Thread paul swed
er > > ham friend used to have four storage units to store all his "stuff". The > > disease is not curable with either time or antibiotics. > > > > My XYL will have to deal with two homes with labs and ham shacks, 7 > > towers, 13 yagis, etc. when I am SK. Nee

Re: [time-nuts] New Member + Basic Questions

2016-01-11 Thread paul swed
ed > >>> with the units. > >>> Mine were brand spanking new. NOS. > >>> Good luck. > >>> To Ron o yes no shed or anything but the gear builds up. Darn > thing is > >>> this stuff actually last longer then an iPhone99X due out tomor

Re: [time-nuts] Fixing broken HP5065A LED clock

2016-01-12 Thread paul swed
Poul-Henning is that just the back board of the clock? I guess I did not realize there were actually 2 boards. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > This probably belongs in the category of serious overkill, but it was > a nice excuse to learn KICAD and

Re: [time-nuts] New Member + Basic Questions

2016-01-14 Thread paul swed
>> Though frankly even neo6s play well. > > >>> If a Ref1 it has a GPS in and no need for the arduino. The $175 gets > > you a > > >>> ref1 and ref0 combo that tie together usually with a cable thats > > shipped > > >>> with the units. > &g

Re: [time-nuts] New Member / Z3801

2016-01-17 Thread paul swed
Dave Welcome to the group and have always appreciated the help from Artek. If only frequency no need to care about the date. I learned this from fellow time nuts. Yes I also hate 1996. Now I think there are later software releases. I haven't had my 3801 on for a bit as I discovered that I actually

Re: [time-nuts] HP5370B & HP5345B Front-End IC Redesign Effort

2016-01-23 Thread paul swed
I have 5370s and 5345 working and then those that aren't so interested. I did play with some ecl chips but they worked poorly. Can't do any clever math or dispersion... But good with a soldering iron. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 1:23 AM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > Mat > > I can hel

Re: [time-nuts] HP5370B & HP5345B Front-End IC Redesign Effort

2016-01-25 Thread paul swed
Hello to the group. Lots to learn. eecl? :-) Heck happy to get ecl working. That said I did pull the manuals on the 5370 and 5345. They are the same front end. And really 1 magical chip. OK now I am going to super over simplify the issue. Forgetting the nice features, why wouldn't the first step b

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 misbehaving

2016-01-26 Thread paul swed
John The 3801s are getting very old at this point. I know mine has started to show a loss of lock occasionally on the oscillator. Intermittent problems are very tough. What jumps out to me is the 27 volts. That seems low as I recall. I run at 48 V. I understand there were several models made so wha

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 misbehaving

2016-01-26 Thread paul swed
Good comment on leaving it on for a long time if the almanac has been lost. You see nothing accept the green pwr led and I have seen 48 hours to lock. I added a batter 2 X AA and that keeps the almanac and enhances startup. But nothing like a modern 30 sec or less receiver. WB8TSL On Tue, Jan 26,

Re: [time-nuts] what is acceptable harmonic content & level for a 10Mhz standard?

2016-01-26 Thread paul swed
Walter that OCXO sure looks odd I would expect unfiltered to be a lot better then that. I would guess that several possibilities exist. The actual crystal is a 5 MHz and it feeds a doubler. The chain has something thats gone non-linear. -5dbm seems low to me. Oscilloquartz have a very fine reputati

Re: [time-nuts] HP5370B & HP5345B Front-End IC Redesign Effort

2016-01-27 Thread paul swed
Some great comments and like all of you I like my 5370s and 5345s. Real buttons no mouse. Must be a throw back to the dark ages. Always knew about the fan issue on the 5370 and have added fans to my main operating unit. But it had not occurred to me that the way the front panel is laid out there ma

Re: [time-nuts] puzzling level and harmonics partially solved

2016-01-27 Thread paul swed
Walter if you can get it back to the basic clean oscillator thats great. Since you have access to a lot of older equipment you might have old video amplifiers are a fine way to get some more outputs. Most of the 6 MHz amps actually go higher and the later amps were typically good to 30 MHz. I just

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO unclear situation

2016-01-27 Thread paul swed
Anton a brief response others will add. Welcome to time nuts. Yes the 1pps can be very important to the ultimate stability of the system. But the fact is many other things come into play. Poor oscillators sloppy GPS controllers and such can make the 1pps pulse the least of your concerns. That said

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO unclear situation

2016-01-27 Thread paul swed
Attila I am pretty sure Anton is saying compare it to the H Maser and it simply doesn't in any way. I think we are speaking 1X10-11 compared to 1 X10-14th or so. Thats why I say forget all of the GPS stuff and go for an output from the maser to home. Now that would be a really fun project. Thinking

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 misbehaving

2016-01-29 Thread paul swed
I added 2 X AA batteries external to the 3801 to the GPS receiver. Will run several years and very easy to replace. Now that doesn't make it instant start but certainly sub hour or less maybe 20 minutes. Good luck. Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 8:43 AM, John Green wrote: > Charles, > The p

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz phase comparison using Bruel & Kjaer type 2971 phase meter

2016-01-30 Thread paul swed
Luca, I am using a HP3575a phase and gain meter good to 1Hz-13 MHz but easily goes to 15 MHz. It delivers a dc voltage that feeds a DATAQ 4 cnl USB A/D coverter and chart program $25. Its been working very well for comparing references long term. Just suggesting the 3575 as a possible alternative.

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A Internal Power Supply issues

2016-01-31 Thread paul swed
As I mentioned in the another thread this week. You can indeed replace the failed voltage with just another inverter. Mine has run this way for 10 years. Mine was a 5 by the way. If it was one side of the +/-15 I would say you want to replace both. The entire switcher can be replaced with supplies

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A Internal Power Supply issues

2016-02-01 Thread paul swed
ed > perfectly after replacing the cap. > > > > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Bob Camp > > wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I had one that took out the internal fuse once every 3 to 5 years. After > > replacing the fuse 3 times, the supply died. Go f

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 misbehaving

2016-02-01 Thread paul swed
As much as I like my 3801 most likely will use my bolt I also have ks24361s so between them have a good idea The is are reasonable at times On Monday, February 1, 2016, John Green wrote: > After a couple of days of GPS lock, it went into holdover. I briefly > powered it down and it attained lock

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Z3801 OCXO

2016-02-04 Thread paul swed
John, Like you I have a bad oscillator and I also pulled the thing apart to find "The goo" Nasty stuff. Also re-wrapping the outer oven wire would be a big pain. Since that 3801 had further issues I set it aside. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 1:20 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > I

Re: [time-nuts] HPZ3801 Failure

2016-02-04 Thread paul swed
Daves absolutely correct about working around bad supplies. The reason for the preregulator is that it would allow the 3801 to meet European ETSI dc voltage standards that goes up to 75VDC on the telco battery bus. US can reach 56 VDC. Anyhow if thats your only problem then you can solve the proble

Re: [time-nuts] update on Z3801A repairs

2016-02-09 Thread paul swed
Congratulations Dave very good to hear its back in the land of the living. Looking forward to the additional thread. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Artek Manuals wrote: > I had reported earlier that the power supply went south in my Z3801A ( and > then the receiver) became

Re: [time-nuts] Calibration procedures - what is normal?

2016-02-12 Thread paul swed
Joe I will believe they only do that procedure in a real repair. I had to do the same thing on a tek 2465b scope. O man what a complete pain in the rear and literally 8+ hours of work. So I can fully appreciate the reality that a Calibration is a check and trim for accuracy. Most likely an hour or

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt error

2016-02-14 Thread paul swed
I will say its odd that lately there have been 2 screw ups in less then a month. Really odd. I was thinking that perhaps the issue had been a pocket jammer. Those will have an affect on a area. In the states truck drivers buy and use them. But it looks like the birds were messed up. Regards Paul WB

Re: [time-nuts] HP Reliability

2016-02-14 Thread paul swed
Totally agree. Disposable and cheap. Plus the companies don't intend to stay in business but get picked up by some larger company Still amazing for little you can pick up this modern gear and it happily communicates with your laptop generally speaking. Still like my 400lbs of test HP and Tek ge

Re: [time-nuts] Instrument BASIC

2016-02-27 Thread paul swed
John would that be the command line interpreter? There are a lot of TCLs on sourceforge Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 5:01 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. < j...@westmorelandengineering.com> wrote: > Magnus, > > I used to be responsible for a couple of labs in the late 90's early 200

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Instrument BASIC

2016-02-29 Thread paul swed
Joseph, I had seen that the rocky mountain basic was available at some $680 for one license. I guess if you really want it you will pay that. However that will not be me. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Joseph Gray wrote: > All this talk of Instrument BASIC brings up a quest

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10544A Repair

2016-02-29 Thread paul swed
Been there and experienced it all to often. To tweak or not is the question. "Are you feeling lucky?" Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Mark Sims wrote: > Not to mention that a lot of pots that have been sitting at the same > setting for years tend to distort the resistance el

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB format change in 2012

2016-03-01 Thread paul swed
As Tom mentioned I am familiar with the chips. But the bottom line is there are no chips either old style or new around anymore from what I have seen. If you can find the consumer atomic clocks that are pretty rare these days you can get the AM clock receiver from those. The new chips (Literally th

Re: [time-nuts] I am a nut

2016-03-02 Thread paul swed
Umm Joe. A good sign of a recovering time-nut is to know when to just say "no!". Funny ended up with a wavetek 3000 sig gen circa 1980 if I had to guess. Its main oscillator is 18Hz high. Yes the desire to adjust it is the first impulse. The second is when I tweak that cap all heck is going to brea

Re: [time-nuts] PRS 10 proble

2016-03-02 Thread paul swed
Bert, On the prs 10 if you would like me to look at the bulb reheat it to see if it can be recovered let me know. Happy to do so. The risk is you can not actually get to the bulb. But I have been successful with FRS units. Regards Paul. On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Bert Kehren via time-nuts < t

Re: [time-nuts] I am a nut

2016-03-02 Thread paul swed
ce > on sight stage a good 20 years ago. > > The trimmer caps on the reference aren't generally a problem. > > -Chuck Harris > > paul swed wrote: > >> Umm Joe. >> A good sign of a recovering time-nut is to know when to just say "no!". >> Funny e

Re: [time-nuts] Can someone ID this GPS board ?

2016-03-02 Thread paul swed
Pete absolutely it was automotive. I have one thats still operational I think in an old project. There is the gps engine in the can and some other chip as I recall has no value. Mavin I think sold them for little. I'll have to look for the data its been a while. Its protocol is definitely odd. Rega

Re: [time-nuts] Can someone ID this GPS board ?

2016-03-03 Thread paul swed
Aisin is indeed the unit. Pete I could not find my old notes though I will keep looking. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:06 AM, Götz Romahn wrote: > Pete, > to obtainm more information google for: > aisin-seiki gps module > Götz > > Am 02.03.2016 um 22:10 schrieb Pete Lancashire: >

Re: [time-nuts] Sphere Stuff Day Datbook DVDs, chock full of goodies

2016-03-09 Thread paul swed
I was going to suggest Ko4bb website as a great repository. Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 5:24 AM, Clint Jay wrote: > Would it be possible they could be uploaded somewhere as a torrent file? > On 9 Mar 2016 10:00, "walter shawlee 2" wrote: > > > I was trolling for old data catalog

Re: [time-nuts] Stanford Research FS700 Loran C Receiver

2016-03-09 Thread paul swed
Sure very familiar. There are no loran stations on the air currently. We can email directly if you would like. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Joe Dempster wrote: > Does anyone have experience with this unit? The UI is a bit hard to grasp > and my unit resets every 5 minute

Re: [time-nuts] Fw: 5065

2016-03-18 Thread paul swed
wrote: > Anywhere there is a concentration of HAMs you should be able to find the > connector. I found the one for my 5061 at a ham swapmeet and found another > for a friend by asking a few hams who were the 'collector' type. > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:54 AM, paul swe

Re: [time-nuts] DC-DC Converters

2016-03-19 Thread paul swed
Dave never heard of these guys before. It looks like they have lots of stuff that can be useful at reasonable prices. Thanks for sharing. Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Dave M wrote: > Alert for anyone repairing or toying with telcom equipment. Goldmine > Electronics has a number

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