I had also modified my HP 53132A but kept it extra simple and the
modification
allows me to use the counter normally..
On my HP 53132A I just mounted a toggle switch in one of the unused holes
for
the back panel BNC input connectors and wired the switch in series with the
power
connector. The
Some time ago bought one on Ebay for under $50 just because it looked
interesting. It isn't a prototype but most of the FEI units probably
had limited production. It seemed to be more complicated than I
expected it to be but if I understood it better it would make more
sense.
The 10Mhz board is
It may not be the best way but what I do with an
LPRO is use a 10-turn pot and set it to the center
of its range then adjust the internal pot to give
me an output of 10 Mhz. Basically that gives me a
voltage divider where the top and bottom resistors
have the same TC so the offsets pretty much
If I recall there are 2 MMIC chips, the large one you mention (U105) and
a smaller black plastic one (U100) to the left of the big one and to the
right of the 15 Mhz crystal filter. Just above the chips you will see 2
inductors marked L101 and L102 that supply the d.c. power to the chips.
The
I have 2 antennas mounted on opposite ends of a roof and both of them feed
commercial GPS DA/splitters and I can have as many as 10 receivers running
at one time for testing. I have also used one of the high frequency type F
TV passive splitters with one D.C. feed through and added 200-300 ohm
Pin 1= 0v
Pin 2= 0v
Pin 3= 0.749V
Pin 4= 4.892v
Pin 5= 0v
Pin 6= 3.417v
I’d say it would be an MMIC amp similar to this device. It
has the same pin-out so it is a possibility. The Amp In
my newer version is an 23 db gain device but 8-pin so I
Suspect your version may have similar specs. Here
Actually that isn't my photo I linked to but one I just Googled. That is
probably a board revision most people don't have but it was the first one
I saw so I used it just to show that the GPS receiver is part of the
only circuit board and not another easily replaceable board like in some
other
The Thunderbolt is a single board with the GPS receiver in the lower right
between the oscillator case and the connectors in the photo in this link.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/trimble-thunderbolt-gps-disciplined-oscillator/?action=dlattach;attach=102948;image
I have sent a copy of FEI-Zyper GPSMonInstallerV1.14
(2007) to jsrobbins at earthlink.net
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-Arthu
I have two similar Symmetricom GPSDO boards
but with a slightly different parts layout
that were manufactured in about 2012. The
OCXO in the first one is 4.1950 Mhz and there
is a 10 Mhz VCO next to it.
The second one has a Symmetricom SA22-c
Rb oscillator. The large blank spot in question
is for
..."apparently got hot enough to create a localized thermal runaway in
its lead wire."
I don't think that explanation is correct. There are no signs of
discoloration
caused by overheating anywhere else in the photo and yet the lead wire
has apparently melted as you say. That would probably
>kb8tq at n1k.org said: Pretty much all of our surplus
gizmos are cell tower surplus (like 99.99%).
True - I believe all the Trimble Thunderbolts came from
Andrew/Grayson/Geometrix WLS2A-24-G or similar Wireless
Location Sensors. I know I removed over 200 T-bolts from
these units personally.
In the special it looks like they used two HP5071A standards, an
SRS620 counter, and a scope. They first made sure the stds were
in sync then took one to the building at the top of the ski lift
on New Hampshire's Mount Sunapee at 2726' elevation for 4 days
where it would be running a little faster
Tom wrote: "I'll make just a one word correction to your
summary. The clocks run a bit faster not because of "the
spinning earth" but because of "the earth"."
You are correct, I misspoke. While that point may have
been wrong I did check the elevation of Mount Sunapee
and it is indeed at 2726
Just a note to say that I bought one of these
prescaler boards for my CNT-81. One problem is
the way the board mounts in the CNT-81 the "in"
connector is toward the back instead of toward
the front like some of the other counters and I
had to make a longer input cable. Pawel does
now know this
I have sent an email with an attached copy of a PDF file
of a similar Magellan 16-pin OEM 5000 receiver to Mariusz.
-Arthur
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>Tom Van Baak tvb at LeapSecond.com
>Mon Oct 12 11:31:17 EDT 2015
>
>"For those of you who want to follow the link Chris provided
>without his personal google search metadata, the correct URL is:
> http://www.perdrix.co.uk/FrequencyDivider/Frequency%20Divider%202.pdf
I believe that the link above
The connectors are the same but the mounting posts that
are tapped for 4-40 screws that are used on two of the
connectors are not used on the other DB type connectors
and they use a quick disconnect type of post. The mating
connector on the cable end has a piece on each side of
the connector shell
I believe that like a lot of the Meinberg receivers that
this uses a down converter to give an IF frequency of
35.4 MHz. If you don't have the converter that apparently
isn't included with the receiver you have a $300 paperweight.
You might want to check with the seller before bidding.
-Arthur
"Arthur,
I did read your posts before I composed my email. You made no
mention of getting the RS-232 to work.."
Again, reread my specific post of Sat Aug 22 11:19:31 EDT 2015
that describes the RS-232 in detail. The green light is also
described in one of my posts
-Arthur
"Did anyone have any luck in talking to this unit?"
Reread my posts that describe what I did. Mine
works great.
-Arthur
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Here is an update on the 57964-60 GPSDO board that I
bought. After figuring out what it needed for power
(it is definitely 5.6-6.0VDV) and communications as I
previously posted, I built it into a nice enclosure
and fed the 10 Mhz output into my modified Tbolt so
I could get a graph of the output.
Bob Camp wrote: There’s also this listing that shows
an pair of 9 pins tacked on the same board:
If you look closely that is a daughter board the seller made
that is mounted on top of the Trimble board. Some of the
listings use the 50-pin ribbon cable connector to connect to
some form of interface
rbenward at verizon.net wrote: See below, here is a 73090
OCXO (same as on some of those GPSDO boards) powered by +12V.
You are incorrect in your assumption that the link you have
supplied shows a 73090 OCXO powered by +12VDC. The BOARD is
indeed powered by 12VDC (or 15VDC if you read the
Does anyone have any information or experience with this small
Trimble GPSDO?
I had previously posted that what I thought these boards
were and how they might work and said I was waiting for 2
of these boards that I had ordered to arrive. Yesterday the
2 boards arrived in an Epacket from China.
Does anyone have any information or experience with this small
Trimble GPSDO?
If you search on Ebay for more of the same GPSDO you will find
that there are several sellers offering these units. The units
are a Trimble 57963 (x) where x is a revision letter. Some have
a different oscillator number
I made some progress with the Symmetricom CGBA card
I bought on Ebay and mentioned here last Friday. After
getting it running and checked out, I took a closer
look at the board to see if I could communicate with
it. What I found was 3 unused holes on the board marked
'USER' and 2 of those pads had
I picked up yet another version of a GPSDO on Ebay the other
day. I thought that I'd mention this because sometimes when
one unit shows up there are a lot more that will be listed
for sale later, like with the many Lucent RFTG units that
are currently being sold on Ebay.
This one is a Symmetricom
Here is a short video of the leap second compared to a regular clock.
http://youtu.be/725ECUOXqeY
-Arthur
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wb6bnq wrote:
“I am a little confused. In your screen shot the overdetermined clock
says you are at precisely 46.00 North by 7.0 East at 547
Meters.”
I think I have the answer. I know when I was selling Tbolts I would
PhotoShop out every digit after the decimal point so the displayed
The telco equipment that all these Tbolts came from had the
10 Mhz output feed 2 different modules using a MicroCircuits
ZFSC-2-1-S two-way 0° 50 ohm power splitter. There are some
of these splitters for sale on Ebay but almost any other
similar unit should work.
If you check the popular auction site you can find several listing
for Aspen Aerogel SPACELOFT Insulation. One listing has a 10x14x.2
piece for $7 including shipping and another listing has 481 rolls for
$1.8 million, in case you have several ovens you need to re-insulate. ;-)
’d say that the plot is telling the truth. It also seems to be giving
you information fast enough that thermal drift and barometric pressure
is not to big an issue. If you had to wait a day or three for the same
data, drift would be a much bigger issue. Yes, when you get to the
“close enough”
Those of you who know I had hacked the RFTG-u REF 1 GPS years
ago and had one running for 4 years before other time nuts
discovered these units probably won't be too surprised that
I have tried another hack that may have limited interest but
works for me.
Having owned a large number of
paulswedb at gmail.com
Another Time-nut suggested the use of 10 baseT ethernet transformers for 10
MHz isolation that he pulls from old ethernet boards. The 20F001n. These
are available from UTSource on ebay at 90 cents each NOS. Ordered 20.
Well I have to say as a BPF or something for 10 Mhz
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/KS.Screen.pnghttp://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/KS.Status.png
works better as
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/KS.Screen.png
http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/KS.Status.png
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I did miss it. I just did a search and found this thing discussed back in
July.
Joe Gray
W5JG
+
Search Sept 2013 and you will find the NTBW50AA discussed as well as a
NTPB15AA I modified (w/photo link).
-Arthur
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I had Planned to eventually convert the 5 Mhz output I added from
J8 on the Lucent RFTG-u REF1 (that I described previously) to 10 Mhz.
Since I made that 5Mhz modification 4 years ago I have been using the 5
Mhz sinewave output for some of the equipment I have around the bench
that can use it
Here is a link to a pretty exhaustive list of MCL models
that would be handy if you only need published specs.
-Arthur
http://www.minicircuits.com/MCLStore/ModelSearch?model=
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Here is a link to a good 12 page description of grounding
practices/requirements.
http://www.reeve.com/Documents/Articles%20Papers/AntennaSystemGroundingRequirements_Reeve.pdf
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If you refer to the picture of the microprocessor board, you will
notice that the locations marked D1, D2 and D3 are populated by zero
ohm resistors. That means that the 3 V microcontroller was powered
from 5V. I am actually amazed that they worked at all, let alone
worked for a while.
It is a
I just noticed this on Ebay. The seller has several other related
items but the pricing is kind of confusing. No a lot of info.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GPS-DISCPLINED-CLOCK-GPSDO-10M-OUTPUT-SQUARE-WAVE-/111514491254
-Arthur
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http://www.cart100.com/seller/bg7tbl/
http://www.cart100.com/Product/38848104218/
Looks like a similar product at almost 3 time the Ebay price.
There are more photos at the second link under 'specifications'
and you can read MV89A on the
I also seem to recall pix of the Z3801 oscillator and there were not any
adjustments. I sure hope I missed something.
Thanks
Paul
WB8TSL
+
There is an adjustment on the inner 10811 oscillator but it isn't easy to
get to. Here is a description.
Could someone who has both the REF 0 and REF 1 units check
to see if the REF 0 unit has U1 missing. U1 is an AD7849
serial input, 14-Bit/16-Bit DAC on my REF 1 units but is
missing on an old REF 0 I just dug out of the to-do pile.
Someone may have already mentioned this and I missed it.
-Arthur
Lester Veenstra lester at veenstras.com Tue Nov 4 16:56:29 EST 2014 wrote:
And you can get a I climbed Mt. Washington sticker for your clock.
+++
It may be a little OT but I actually worked on the summit for the
Mount Washington Weather Observatory for 4 winters as well as climbing
GandalfG8 at aol.com GandalfG8 at aol.com Sun Nov 2 09:08:30 EST 2014 wrote:
Ooh err, whoops, and oh dear !!
Arthur, I've only just had a chance to look at your latest photos, and
unless I've really got my wires crossed, if you'll pardon the
expression:-),
your links on J5 are not shown on pins
Keep in mind that I made the modifications to my RFTG-u REF 1 almost
4 years ago and the details of why I did what I did are kind of foggy
today. It was a pure hack but I *believe* that the circuitry as well
as the jumpers were required, or at least I thought so. The big problem
with getting
….”
++
Reposting what I had posted over a week ago, in case you missed it….
Arthur Dent golgarfrincham at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 13:59:48 EDT 2014
“…Way back on Fri Jun 11 16:48:43 UTC 2010 I posted about using one of
these units I had modified but at the time there wasn't a single person
who
I can't remember when I initially powered up my RFTG-u REF 1 how long
it took to give me the green light but I *believe* it was a long time,
maybe the better part of 24 hours. I think after testing and being
fustrated I forgot to turn it off one night and the next day things
looked normal. I have
Anthony Roby aroby at antamy.com wrote:
My curiosity got the better of me so I ordered these earlier this week and
received them today.
I've powered both up and quickly measured the 10MHz output. I don't yet
have a GPS antenna feed
that I can connect, so couldn't check that out. And I need to
GandalfG8 at aol.com GandalfG8 at aol.com
Wed Oct 22 04:35:40 EDT 2014
Similarly, with this RFTG-u kit I'd be more inclined to look for ways of
routing the native 5MHz from the GPS conditioned Milliren 260 series
oscillator to the outside world, and to just treat any other use found for
the
Oops, photo link didn't make it in my last post
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac262/rjb1998/RFTG-uREF1photo1_zps87c505ca.jpg
-Arthur
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One of these was my first frequency standard that I used as a marker
for checking the calibration of an old Collins TCS-12 receiver I used
around 1959. I built a small power supply for the oscillator and
used it for a few years until the filament opened and it died. Even
way back then I felt that
Not sure whats up with the link when I click it I get the download. Its a
2.5MB file
http://www.glkinst.com/test-equipment/manuals/Tracor900A.pdf.
The problem with the above link is the period is included as part of the
link when you click on it. It will work without the period.
-Arthur
On August 10th Dale J. Robertson wrote:
How does patent infringement litigation get started anyway?
I would think that the infringement claim would have to be specific i.e.
you are infringing on our patent number blah, claims blah, blah, blah
blah. not just you are infringing on our patent. you
Sounds kind of like this oscillator. I found it to be very low
power but it took about a week for it to really settle down and
until then I was continually adjusting the EFC.
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac262/rjb1998/Oscillator_zps63a30a2f.jpg
-Arthur
The photo looks like one of the 2 units I have but the info on
one if my oscillators says:
CTS Knights
970-2074-0
5 Mhz
0410-2540
8947
I'm pretty sure the last numbers are the
date code. If more than one company made these units they
could have been in some piece of equipment made
quartz55 quartz55 at hughes.net
Tue Dec 24 10:06:49 EST 2013
I'd like to see some of your LH traces if you don't mind, especially the osc
trace. I don't seem to be able to get my osc trace less than ~400 ppt/div.
++
Here is a 17 hour LH plot of my NTPB15AA 05 which is about the same
Brooke Clarke wrote: Most low cost hand held and car GPS receivers can only
display direction
based on changes in position.
True, but the Garmin 62s handheld that I use for geocaching and hiking
($200-$400) has a
3-axis, tilt-compensated electronic compass that shows your heading even when
Having dismantled a good number of the wireless locator units
that these Trimble Thunderbolts were in I can tell you that the
DC-DC power supply in these units did not have a -12VDC output
but put out -7VDC instead.
If I recall the DAC output voltage of almost all the T-bolts I tested
was
Didier Juges shalimr9 at gmail.com
Wed Sep 11 12:24:51 EDT 2013
With all that discussion about the old temperature sensor in the TBolt no
longer being available,...
Actually I've bought all mine on Ebay and they are still available from the
same seller plus
others have some of the old
Mark Sims holrum at hotmail.com
Tue Sep 10 09:03:24 EDT 2013
Again, THE TEMPERATURE SENSOR IS NOT BROKEN!! The firmware in
some of these units (those from NTPX modules) does NOT read the temperature
sensor in high-res mode.
I have sold over 200 T-bolts and had to replace about
I would say the temp sensor is working, but still why those jumps?
Ah, that new temp plot looks like the 'normal' staircase steps I was
talking about. The previous plot didn't look right with all the little steps
in between. As I mentioned before, and Bob mentioned, any problem with
the
I have a slightly earlier version, or a close cousin, of the NTBW50AA that
I modified and I've posted photos of it on this list before:
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac262/rjb1998/NTPB15AA05.jpg
The LH plot from the NTBW50AA by quartz55 doesn't look quite right. Here
is a LH plot from my
The amp/splitter I've bought from seller RDR-electronics
on Ebay have been Minicircuits ZAPD-3DB-1575-3, 2-way
GPS Antenna Splitter N-f. I didn't see any for sale
right now but they show up from time to time. See
item # 300915251060 to see what they look like.
-Arthur
To answer the question of whether the Nortel/Trimble
units will work with Lady Heather, here is a photo of
my modified NTPB15AA with the T-bolt monitor built-in.
This version I bought from RDR-electronics works fine.
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac262/rjb1998/NTPB15AA05.jpg
-Arthur
The OCXO in the TBolt has a linear controller. It drops back to about
150 to 250 ma on the +12 line after warmup. It's been at least 40
years since I saw an on/off oven control in production ….
Remember that the +12 feeds the oscillator circuit. The more crud on
the 12 volts, the worse the
But do they have a actual website. I did not find one or a webstore?
How is it you even knew they had the items??
Thanks
Paul
I have bought many items from them and have always been satisfied
with the items I've bought and their service. They sell on Ebay
and that is where their 'store' is. Try
The two apparently were manufactured within 3 months of one another.
I'd say 9 months. The firmware revision from 2.2 to 3.0 is the
3 months you mentioned and from what I could gather ( which may
or may not be correct) mainly changed the algorithm for handling
carryover and unless you're
On May 24th Mark C. Stephens asked:
Does the 9390-5588A have the 16.618 Mhz Vectron oscillator externaly
located on one of the wire wrap boards?
Well I had to dig it out and open it up to see. Actually I mispoke
when I said my 9390 had an FRK, it turned out that was another unit
I was thinking
I have owned a similar 9390-5588A with the FRK Rb inside for a few
years now. Although the Rb is quite old, the unit locks in just 3
minutes and finds the GPS time (off by 1024 weeks, 16 sec, UTC) in
four minutes and displays an initial PDOP 03. I have reset the time
to the correct UTC time but
Garren Davis garren.davis at qlogic.com
Tue Mar 12 12:55:48 EDT 2013
I found the 1 ohm resistor from the 12 volt pin to the heater circuit
popped off its solder pads and was laying between the insulation
and the metal enclosure.
++
You might want to check the 2 photos and
This style of crystal was quite common at one time, and yes, it fits a
valve base but it's for a B7G 7 pin base, not B6G as suggested in the
auction.
The XTAL is a Bliley BG6 which has nothing to do with the number of
pins. The link below is a photo I just took of a Bliley BG6 series with
2
That's one of the better ones - clip mounted.
Here's a better view of the innards where you can see the wire from the
XTAL to the green support soldered at both ends. Below the support the
wires are spot welded.
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac262/rjb1998/Blileyxtal2_zps9c0dacb1.jpg
Has anybody traced out the connections on the DB-37 connector on
the back of this beast yet?
I never looked at the 37-pin connector on the back of the unit but back
in December, 2012 I did post that I had added a display and an A.C.
supply to the one I had and it seems to be working fine. I
There has been a lot of speculation about the innards of the OXCO in the
Thunderbolt so here is what I found inside a dead one that I opened. I
didn’t trace the circuit out so most of the description that follows is just
from a cursory look and may not be totally correct. Below are links to a
I haven't looked any further but the daughter boards
in the unit have 75 ohm resistors which I'm guessing
determines the input/output impedance of the unit.
If that's the case it should be easy to switch it to 50
ohms although it may not make any real difference.
-Arthur
Despite what has been previously posted I’ve found my 565s
to be very good frequency references for my counters and they
seem to compare well to the Thunderbolts. I haven’t run any
long term checks but comparing Tbolts to 565s on my scope
from time to time I’ve never seen any jumps or
I just bought the last one at 11:30PM.
-Arthur
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But the only NiCd I know about are the AA sized ones.
I have some of the wet NiCd batteries that are capable of
putting out 200A continuously. I'm assuming the internal
resistance is pretty low. ;-)
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Has anyone run a stability plot (0-100 or 1000 seconds) on the MTI 260..
There are several sub-models of the 260 in either AT or SC cuts with widely
different characteristics. It might help to know which one you have. The ones
on the popular auction site may be custom built units. Try checking
Besides the previous mentioned Time-Nuts reference in this thread
to the so-called psychomouse problem on November 1, 2010
there was a thread on November 29, 2011 entitled Unplug T-bolt
before booting up...?? that had most of the information covered here.
Although this problem has been known
The manual states that loosing the settings on a 6680 is no big problem ,
but on the 6681 you loose the interpolator calibtation. And it sounds
like that's not a good thing.
I didn't know you had to watch out for Battery on a PM6680/81.
CFO - Tnut-Beginner
Denmark
The battery in the 6680
Bob Camp-
A quartz crystal in insensitive to magnetic field. This being Time Nut's
that's
not the whole story. Ferrite core inductors can indeed exhibit a bit of static
mag field sensitivity. Your OCXO may or may not have some in it.
Precision crystals have clips made from nickel. The posts
I picked up one of the Nortel NTPB15AA (Trimble) GPSDO from
the common auction site and decided adding a monitor display to
the front panel would be a good idea. The entire unit draws about
300ma at 48vdc at power up and there is room inside the case for
a small AC power supply. There is
I feel like shouldn't need to fuss with ambient conditions this heavily
for an OCXO, and find myself researching construction / design for a DIY
outer-oven to wrap the thunderbolt in.
Anyone have experience with non-stable temperature on a trimble thunderbolt?
The temperature you see is not from
I believe that the high temperature alarm you see is triggered at 50 degrees
C. If that is what you're seeing without artificially raising the temperature
of the Thunderbolt by insulating it so it can't radiate the heat, what I said
about replacing the chip is correct but if it is staying
On Mon, Dec 4, paul swed wrote:
Yes sir $139. But boy I have not seen cheap tbolts in bit. As I recall
$260 these days?
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Bob Camp lists at rtty.us wrote:
Hi
The gotcha is that you go from paying surplus prices to paying new prices.
New price to new price,
The GPS receiver in my Z3801 has died and I need to replace it.
Go to ebay and type oncore in the search box. There are MANY available
starting at just about $20.
Search for oncore vp (which is what a z3801a needs), and you won't
find ANY, at any price.
On Ebay rdr-electronics has a
IMO, you have an instrumentation issue. I don't think the power grid can
do anything like that.
YMMV,
-John
I agree. If this was happening on the grid by the time this blip had
traveled down the line to you it would have been so filtered through
transformers and other devices and you
I don't know that there is any data showing the TBolt adjusting for aging
during holdover. In other words: showing the holdover DAC voltage changing
at a completely constant temperature.
Bob
I haven't seen any data either but here is information from section 5.1.2
of the 2003 Thunderbolt
I think I remember comments about it being used by the DAC. Wasn't there
some mention of the TBolt working with a dead -12 supply, but only as long as
the DAC output was above 0.
That was the conclusion. Actually the units these Thunderbolts were removed
from used -7VDC instead of -12VDC.
Hi:
What is the temp chip reading? Is it reading the oven temperature or just
the ambient temperature?
Ron
The DS1620 thermometer chip is in the corner of the pc board next to the
RS232 connector and diagonally opposite the OXCO so it reads ambient
temperature.
-Arthur
Not every GPSDO has a 10MHz OCXO.
That is certainly true although from a time-nuts point of view, 10Mhz is
certainly
a very nice number. I have linked to a photo of both sides of a Trimble 1.5x5
GPSDO built about 2008 that has a 1 square Trimble branded OXCO that has
a 76.80Mhz as well
I'd put the distribution amplifier between the TB and the divider
Dave
The units that these Thunderbolts were removed from solved
this problem by feeding the 10Mhz output through a power
splitter. One output from the power splitter went to a 2-way
distribution amplifier and the other went to
I have two Thunderbolts that I'm monitoring with
Lady Heather. The temperature on the older unit
(MFG 2/26/2004) seems to track the
environment. The newer one (MFG 11-24-2004)
shows 44.75 °C and only changes in increments of exactly 1°.
All REV-E Thunderbolts with date codes after about
Do you know the part number of a chip to replace the DS1620?
The part number is the same, DS1620. What is important is the
revision of the DS1620. When Dallas Semiconductor/Maxim
'improved' the chip and went from REV-D (or D2) to REV-E they
made a change in the way the data was sent to the
I just got an DOXCO made by Frequency Electronics, Inc., so the first thing
I did was remove the screws from the outer cover to open it up and check
out the insides. Once I removed the foam so I could see the oven, I had the
feeling of deja vu. but I'd never owned one of these units before. I
Hi
I do not believe FE owns Morion. The most certainly own space in the Morion
factory. Last time I was there I saw the space.
Bob
'Own' may have been too strong a word but FEI is invested in Morion
and the FEI site doesn't describe Morion as a wholly-owned subsidiary
but one of its
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