Re: [time-nuts] I am a nut

2016-03-02 Thread Gregory Muir
What is the resolution of the digital pot that sets that frequency? If I can remember the same setability issue can be seen in the 8920A. In the data sheet for this machine, HP only cites temperature and aging specs for the option 001 oscillator and states "+/- 1 Hz plus timebase accuracy" for

Re: [time-nuts] Inside a CTS 1960017 OCXO

2016-03-01 Thread Gregory Muir
Bob, I was referring to the bulk of the conversations on this device where people were finding 60 Hz related artifacts. Greg >On Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 21:11:19 -0500 >From: Bob Camp wrote: > >Hi > >On some parts the spur shows up in the 40 to 80 Hz range. >That pretty much rules out the line

Re: [time-nuts] Inside a CTS 1960017 OCXO

2016-02-29 Thread Gregory Muir
Not sure if I am missing something here or not but an early mention was made regarding synching the test equipment used to the 60 Hz line to see if the purported 60 Hz anomaly is actually synchronous or asynchronous. I haven't heard anything regarding this since then. Greg

Re: [time-nuts] HP Reliability

2016-02-14 Thread Gregory Muir
Having been in the product design world (both MIL and commercial/medical) for most of my life, I developed a very deep respect for HP quality and reliability over the years. It wasn't uncommon for management to peek into the lab and find me poking around inside a piece of HP equipment to see

Re: [time-nuts] CTS 1960017 OCXO

2016-01-09 Thread Gregory Muir
Running a little late here in responding. But I give thanks to both Bob Camp and Tim Shoppa for exposing my oversight about finding the spec for this oscillator on the (where else?) CTS site. I originally tried but was not inserting the proper part number in their search field. Guess the

[time-nuts] CTS 1960017 OCXO

2016-01-06 Thread Gregory Muir
There seems to be a plethora of the CTS 1960017 OCXOs on eBay at the moment. Would anyone have any stability specs on this device? Greg ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

[time-nuts] Manuals heading for the dumpster

2015-05-29 Thread Gregory Muir
To all, Am not sure if any news of this has been posted in prior times or not but will pass it along just in case. Manuals Plus (http://www.manualsplus.com/) will be closing its doors the middle of June. The proliferation of available PDF documents available plus the increasing number of

Re: [time-nuts] What did I buy? Austron 1210D-03

2015-05-25 Thread Gregory Muir
Sort of a Navy AN/URQ-10A (Frequency Electroncs FE1000Q) and a Systeron Donner 8520 rolled into one. Both are in ARINC outlines and would fill about the same dimensions side-by-side. The only difference would be that the SD also outputs IRIG time codes. Greg

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring TV delays

2014-01-02 Thread Gregory Muir
Reading all of this brings back memories of a project I was involved in back in the early 70's in the Denver area. NBS-Boulder was experimenting with injecting their time standard into the video of the analog signal before it hit the transmitter. We installed a prototype unit that was slaved

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring TV delays

2014-01-02 Thread Gregory Muir
Not certain as to how NBS achieved the transfer of timing accuracy but it was not believed to be in the VITS interval. If I can recall, there was a special waiver (FCC/NTIA) that was required in order to run the experiment. And it required some esoteric hardware to decode the signal at the

[time-nuts] Update on my previous note regarding NBS television timing reference experiment

2014-01-02 Thread Gregory Muir
I did a little digging and managed to find a paper on the original television time experiment which was authored by David Howe of NBS, now head of the Time and Frequency Metrology Group at NIST. It can be found at

[time-nuts] Neat little cesium box

2013-06-13 Thread Gregory Muir
Am looking at a small cesium standard for a proposed client project: http://synreference.com/frequency-references/cesium-reference/item/37-portable-battery-powered-reference.html Greg ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe,

[time-nuts] Neat little cesium box

2013-06-13 Thread Gregory Muir
Tom, Thank you for your concern. I unfortunately cannot disclose many details about the proposed project only to say that the application transcends much of the typical Time-Nuts areas of normality. At present we are evaluating typical frequency references to see if they will fit into this

[time-nuts] HP 5087A distribution amplifier

2013-06-07 Thread Gregory Muir
Just a note to say that a HP 5087A distribution amplifier arrived yesterday purchased from a seller on eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/300903865292). I initially emailed him requesting the option information on the unit or if he could give information as to what option modules are installed

Re: [time-nuts] Faster/more automated Rb oscillator calibration

2013-05-31 Thread Gregory Muir
Interesting you should mention this. At the moment I have a calibration running in the lab that utilizes a Dataq Instruments (http://www.dataq.com/) DI-710 data logger unit that is being fed from the analog output of a HP 3575A gain/phase meter. The DI-710 then couples to a PC via the USB

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question

2013-05-08 Thread Gregory Muir
A couple if items that may have already been mentioned: 1. You've probably already seen the effects of the capacity of your adjustment tool on the oscillator frequency if you are adjusting a variable capacitor. It sometimes becomes a tweak, remove tool, watch and tweak again issue. If you

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-10A frequency standard

2013-04-27 Thread Gregory Muir
Thank you for you replies Dave and Paul! Well, patience won out and I left the unit on for a considerably longer time. The inner oven meter indication then started to come up off of zero after nearly seven hours. Not knowing the thermal mass it has to heat I guess I assumed that it would

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread Gregory Muir
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:59:21 -0700, Jim Lux wrote: Total dose will be very small (after all astronauts live in LEO) So you'd worry about cosmic rays and single event effects. snip They fly a lot of unmodified commercial equipment on ISS (and on Shuttle, when we still flew it) and they

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread Gregory Muir
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:06:45 -0700 (PDT), L. Forster wrote: When I was building space payloads, every component had to meet or exceed a VCM (Volitile Condensible Material) spec. This was mainly of concern with plastics, like wire insulation (we used Teflon and Kapton) but especially potting

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-10A frequency standard

2013-04-27 Thread Gregory Muir
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:16:17 -0400, Paul Swed wrote: I looked and must have hit the same site you did for the sulzer. Yes I expect a log warmup. I used them in the navy and we never let them go cold. circa 1973-1979. Took them to the cal lab on battery etc. I thought maybe I would have a

Re: [time-nuts] Don't use cheap cables -- a cautionary tale (Bob Camp)

2013-03-05 Thread Gregory Muir
I'm weighing in a little late on this one but wanted to make a few comments regarding cables and connectors in hopes that a prior poster may not have covered these thoughts. With regards to single-shield coaxial cables, I think we are all aware that shielding effectiveness can vary widely

[time-nuts] Up And Running

2012-09-28 Thread Gregory Muir
Hi George, Your setup looks like a good approach to what you need for your requirements. I was looking at the weatherproof enclosure for your antenna. If I am correct, you have a total seal with regards to that container. The fasteners that pass through the enclosure on the top, are they

Re: [time-nuts] Up And Running

2012-09-28 Thread Gregory Muir
George, Don't need much of a hole. I wouldn't go past a single 1/16 one or so. That would be small enough to keep most critters out of the container. From what I can observe, that gasket is recessed down below the inner surface of the cover with the container inverted as it is. Any moisture

[time-nuts] Why the fuss?

2012-09-27 Thread Gregory Muir
In my business we term it analysis paralysis. Greg With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine... On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 07:29:46 -0700, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com wrote: I cannot think of a time-nuts WWVB reference requirement that cannot be better satisfied with a GPSDO. Will

[time-nuts] Hiding GPS antennas

2012-09-27 Thread Gregory Muir
Haven't had a single problem with my GPS antennas at my home and all of my sites for nearly 8 years now. They work well up inside the building by the wooden roof ridge even with 10-20 inches of snow on top in the winter time. G ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Receiver

2012-09-25 Thread Gregory Muir
I have had a neat little WWVB receiver hanging around the lab that was made by a now defunct company called Elemek out of East Syracuse, New York. It was manufactured in 1979 and consists of a handful of discrete components for the RF front end followed by simple CMOS logic and a few analog op

[time-nuts] Interesting...

2012-09-19 Thread Gregory Muir
http://www.symmetricom.com/lp/gbu/csac-landing-page/ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

2012-09-11 Thread Gregory Muir
After experiencing UPS issues, I now specify Fed-X where possible. The outside condition of the containers even look better when delivered. These people seem to care more about what they are doing. I once had a large ~150 lb low-pass RF filter that arrived by Fed-X freight that was delivered

Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises on eBay

2012-09-10 Thread Gregory Muir
Shortly after I started bidding on eBay back in the 90's, I quickly learned that many of the sellers are not knowledgeable equipment shippers. My very first experience included a shipment from Britain of a very expensive communications receiver where the seller simply wrapped cardboard around

Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises on eBay

2012-09-10 Thread Gregory Muir
I'm surprised that it has worked for me so many times and there were instances when the seller thanked me for helping them pack the item properly. It doesn't hurt to help educate those who don't understand. Others may benefit from it. Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity can't. I worked in a

[time-nuts] Vectron Type 229 Crystal Oscillator

2012-06-23 Thread Gregory Muir
Have you tried contacting Vectron International? http://www.vectron.com/contact/index.htm Several years ago I gathered a sizable quantity of various precision surplus OCXOs of Vectron manufacture for a feasibility demo on a client project. A phone call and I was into the engineering

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt cabling questions

2012-06-13 Thread Gregory Muir
Sometimes the cone of protection simply does not exist. A couple of weeks ago I had to respons to one of my sites which contains an 800 foot tower. While there a large storm cell developed and a severe thunderstorm ensued. Shortly before leaving lighting hit the tower which was unnerving

Re: [time-nuts] Quadrifilar Helix Antenna

2012-06-10 Thread Gregory Muir
There is also quite a plethora of information available regarding other's experiences, etc. with the design of such antennas by simply Googling quadrifilar antenna design. I like to get a feel how things are going in the industry before delving into design of such critters. Starting off with