Re: [time-nuts] Vintage Frequency Measurement

2017-02-15 Thread Robert Atkinson via time-nuts
Hi,Sorry if I caused confusion by calling the SCR/BC221 a wavemeter. Clearly it's not in the wider usage of the term, and the manual and front panel call it a frequency meter. However the similar British device was called a wavemeter "Wavemeter Class D"

Re: [time-nuts] Vintage Frequency Measurement

2017-02-12 Thread Robert Atkinson via time-nuts
In a word,Wavemeters. Classic US onwas the BC221 with built in 100kHz crystal calibrator http://radionerds.com/index.php/BC-221 British was the "Class D"http://www.royalsignals.org.uk/photos/classDno1.htm For UHF and Microwave it was Lecher lines or cavity wavemeters. Robert G8RPI. From:

Re: [time-nuts] purpose of time of day display units

2017-01-23 Thread Robert Atkinson via time-nuts
One must remember the original use of these displays was displaying IRIG time either distributed from a master clock, locally generated or from a recording (tape) They long predate GPS. There are more sophisticated units that include controls for the tape recorder so you could auto search to a

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature (environmental) sensors

2017-01-03 Thread Robert Atkinson via time-nuts
I've used the Dallas (now Maxim) Thermochron iButtons in several applications. Looks like a thick coin with battery, ram and RTC built in. Even used dozens of them map temperature distribution in a aircraft fuel tank. Also available as a 1-wire device. For precision I've used Pico Technology

Re: [time-nuts] Is this ocxo salvageable?

2014-04-09 Thread Robert Atkinson
One other tip. If the can and base are tight fitting you can file through the corners of the can at 45 degrees to the sides. This breaks the stiffness of the can and allows the sides to be folded out slightly. Straighten them before re-assembly. You can build up the corners with solder to

Re: [time-nuts] Sound impact Was FEI-5660 Rubidium Oscillator

2014-03-28 Thread Robert Atkinson
Back in 1997 when working on a car project I saw several failures of AD595 Thermocouple converter chips due to sound. In all cases the bond wire to pin 8 of the CERDIP package failed, presumably due to resonance (I took the top of the chips to check) A blob of non acid cure RTV silicone rubber

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS to Fine Tune a Rubidium Frequency Standard.

2014-03-21 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Anders, You can buy the 2013 QST CD-ROM from ARRL which includes QEX. I'm in the UK and have this CD, international delivery was no problem. Cost was $25, see http://www.arrl.org/shop/ARRL-Periodicals-DVD-2013/  The disk is well worth the cost. I've not built the project but have looked at

Re: [time-nuts] Finding a spare part for HP5370B

2014-03-10 Thread Robert Atkinson
It's part No 05370-20206, no longer available from Agilent. I don't think you will find one easily. Best bet is to buy some plastic and make one. The proper plastic filter material is polarised to increase contrast but thin red acrylic sheet will do OK. masking the annciators may be tricky. Try

Re: [time-nuts] FSCM 38243 Power Distribution Module

2014-03-02 Thread Robert Atkinson
From the construction and components used it isn't UHF ;-) It appears to be 7 two way splittters in series and the transformers look to have plenty of turns. As you have a 10MHz source why not just try it out? You should get about 9dB attenuation input to output with the other ports terminated

Re: [time-nuts] How to open solder-sealed OCXOs?

2014-02-02 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Graeme, A technique I've found useful is to first remove the corners of the outer can by filling across them. I then rake out as much of the solder along the seams with the back edge of a disposable snap-off craft knife / box cutter. Finally wedging the sharp edge to break the joint.

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt 1pps

2014-01-27 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, I looked at this a while ago. The spec only defines transmission levels, it does NOT specify receive thresholds. All the receiver chips I've looked at, ancient and modern, have only positive thresholds. Most have single supplies and clamp the input at 1 diode drop negative WRT common after

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt 1pps

2014-01-27 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Javier, Our posts crossed. However the 1489 has a positive threshold (they call it turn off threshold) of 0.75 to 1.25V. They can be shifted to a negative trigger range using the response control pin but this is just a voltage divider and offset voltage, you still only get hysteresis of 1.1V

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt 1pps

2014-01-27 Thread Robert Atkinson
-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2014, 2:01 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt 1pps On 1/27/2014 1:33 PM, Robert Atkinson wrote: I looked at this a while ago. The spec only defines transmission levels, it does NOT specify receive thresholds. It certainly does... 2.1.3

Re: [time-nuts] Affordable (cheap) COTS / eBay kit for TIE / 1PPS phase comparison

2014-01-22 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, For a low cost startup have a look at a picPET http://www.leapsecond.com/pic/picpet.htm and TimeLab http://www.ke5fx.com/timelab/readme.htm  Less than $10 including shipping! From: Wojciech Owczarek wojci...@owczarek.co.uk To: Discussion of precise

Re: [time-nuts] Spectrum Analyzer Suggestions

2014-01-21 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Mark, late response, but I've been looking at the 3582A. Using a mixer for PN at higher frequencies is OK, see http://www.hpmemory.org/technics/bench/3048/pn_measrmt_single.htm Pretty good for comparing a number of oscillators. You can use a doubler (HP10115A

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5328A fan - suspected issue

2014-01-18 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Brett, In the 5328A the unregulated 25V DC supply and OCXO run whenever the unit is connected to power. The on/off switch controls the main circuits power supply. The triac (Q12) and opto-coupler (U6) turn on the fan when the 3.5V DC supply is present (its only active wthe the unit switched

Re: [time-nuts] R: HP 5328A fan - suspected issue

2014-01-18 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Antonio, It should run when the ON/OFF switch is ON but not if it's OFF. If the fan runs whenever the power is connected there is a fault, probably a shorted TRIAC. Interestingly on the 5328B they added an RC snubber across the TRIAC which may indicate they had problems with the A model.

Re: [time-nuts] also contins lanolin

2014-01-14 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hmm, Input dynamic range of 1.2V Pk-Pk and 125Msps, like that's going to replace ALL my test equipment. It's also not clear if they are in Newport VA or Slovenia, but the plug on the mains adaptor says Slovenia. I'm stunned that 826 people would consider spending hundreds of dollars on this

Re: [time-nuts] WAAS.....

2014-01-09 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, This is a known problem. It's leakage form the local oscillator (LO) of the Ky197. The KYa97 has a 10.7 MHz IF and high side local oscillator. So the LO is 119.9 + 10.7 = 130.6MHz. 12th harmonic is in the GPS bandwith. Cure is a notch filer on the KY197 antenna connector. examples are a TED

Re: [time-nuts] Update on my previous note regarding NBS television timing reference experiment

2014-01-02 Thread Robert Atkinson
Here in the UK we had a version of this for nearly 40 years. It was called Ceefax or TeleText. Chunky graphics with the time, weather and lots of other information. it was also used for closed captioning. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletext  It was the best generally available time

Re: [time-nuts] Motorola GPS antenna type GCNT20A3A

2013-12-12 Thread Robert Atkinson
I know Goldmine would not sell duff stuff knowingly, but the Engineering Sample label worries me a little. Often this is indicates a non-functioning item for display or trial fit purposes. Then again it maybe not. I can't find out as they don't ship outside the USA. Robert G8RPI.

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-10 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, John is correct. The plastic pin is used when a contact position is not wired. You put the unwired pin in first and then insert the plastic pin behind it, thick end first. It replaces the wire to seal that individual hole and also maintain correct seal pressure on the other wires. Blue for

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-10 Thread Robert Atkinson
From: Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk To: j...@quikus.com j...@quikus.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question Hi, John is correct

[time-nuts] Man killed in quartz crystal accident

2013-11-23 Thread Robert Atkinson
The US Chemical Safety Board have released their report into the 2009 accident at NDK's synthetic crystal growing facility in Belvidere IL http://www.csb.gov/assets/1/19/CSB_CaseStudy_NDK_1107_500PM.pdf It also describes the process. Basically a 50ft autoclave failed, killing a member of the

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-22 Thread Robert Atkinson
November 2013, 14:25 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique On 11/21/13 11:32 PM, Robert Atkinson wrote: I'd also go for a compass if you want magnetic north, but then I have a good one, a medium landing compass. Mine dates from WWII but they are still made http://www.sirs.co.uk

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-21 Thread Robert Atkinson
I'd also go for a compass if you want magnetic north, but then I have a good one, a medium landing compass. Mine dates from WWII but they are still made http://www.sirs.co.uk/ground/landing_compasses/patt2/landing_resource These are used to align the standbay and remote reading compasses on

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-21 Thread Robert Atkinson
The simplest ones do it by difference in position from one fix to another. no need for a map for True North, just trig. For Magnetic North you need a map with variation data. More advanced units have magnetic sensors and accelerometers. An interesting question that I once spent some hours

Re: [time-nuts] Off-Topic Question -- German Composition Resistors

2013-11-21 Thread Robert Atkinson
May be a bit of drift and reading back to front. Some years ago we bought a quantity of moulded carbon compostion resistors from a top US manufacturer. A sample check showed that none of them met the 10% tolerance. The maufacturer said bake them for a day two! The resistors then passed. Why not

Re: [time-nuts] powering Trimble Thunderbolt with -5V rather than -12V

2013-10-31 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, Interesting investigation, thanks for sharing. Another option I have used was +12V +5V  with the -12V rail powered by a 9V output isolated DC-DC converter from an old thin ethernet network card. These come in either 5V or 12V input and are effecitvely free (you also get 10MHz isolaton

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble replacement part-2

2013-10-13 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Frank, I would NOT put the spare TB on a PC powersupply. Check out both TB's on the bench using decent linear supplies. I don't like using PC supplies on critical equipment. They are typically designed for a specific (high) load on one output (5V on early ones 12V on more modern) to maintain

Re: [time-nuts] trimble antenna connector

2013-10-04 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Trimble recommend 75R CATV or similar cable for the Thunderbolt as it's lower loss (even with the mismatch loss to 50R it's an advantage), hence the F type plugs. Adaptors are cheap and available even here in the UK where the F type is a fairly new entry into the market. Using 75R cable

Re: [time-nuts] DIY GPS antenna...

2013-09-29 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, I built a number of the air spaced patch antennas, http://www.express-builder.com/docs/gpsant/ , several years ago for APRS mobiles and even with older GPS modules (Garmin), they gave usable performance. Robert G8RPI. From: Attila Kinali

Re: [time-nuts] Beating 20MHz was Shielding a DAC line

2013-09-27 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Bob, You say you are not ready to go GPS. I assume you mean a GPSDO. If you have a 'scope you can use just about any GPS with a 1pps output. trigger the scope from the 1pps while monitoring the 20MHz sine wave and adjust for minimum drift of the trace. A timing GPS module will be better (you

Re: [time-nuts] Varian 921-0062 ion pump supply question

2013-09-20 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Corby, What pins are the line and the neutral connected to at the moment? What pins are linked? What you describe is typical of a 110/120/220/240 setup with the windings between 1 8 and 29 being the 10V taps.  You could try connecting a low voltage AC supply (between5 and 15 v from a

Re: [time-nuts] Varian 921-0062 ion pump supply question

2013-09-20 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Corby, I had a look at some circuits and it’s pretty much what I expected. The 120V tap supplies control relays including the external pressure relay (pin F on rear panel connector, pin E is neutral) and neon indicators. The supply to the HV transformer is relay controlled so you would have to

Re: [time-nuts] Varian 921-0062 ion pump supply question

2013-09-19 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Corby, How's it wired now? Basically it should be two windings in series, say line to 1, 2 linked to 3 and neutral to 4. To set to 120V leave line and neutral were they are and link 2 to 4 and 3 to 1. As a double check for phasing when you lift the link between 2 and 3 check for winding

Re: [time-nuts] DIY Choke Ring Antennas?

2013-09-17 Thread Robert Atkinson
Be aware, Googling helibowl at work may take you to websites selling glassware used for recreational purposes that may not be appreciated by the IT police ;-)   Robert G8RPI. From: Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, 17

Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS Antenna Active/PassiveRecommendation

2013-09-15 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi John, I use one of the 26dB active timing antenna like ebay item 271266449940 or 170889540720 but a quick look shows fluke.l is selling a 38dB one 300956651110 that might be good if you have a long antenna run. You don't say what receiver(s) you have, but the Thunderbolt needs a gain

Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS Antenna Active/Passive Recommendation

2013-09-15 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Bob, Many of the midrange antennas have one or more significant differences from the cheap pucks. Firstly they generally have better filtering, many pucks have none. This is important if you are co-located with transmitters.  Secondly many use quad-helix antenna elements rather than the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunder Bolt Display...

2013-09-13 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, I thought one post was OK (just), but by the third advert I thought the questions should be asked. Sorry for lowering the S/N.   Robert G8RPI. From: Burt I. Weiner b...@att.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013, 6:08 Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update

2013-09-12 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Adam, If you do not normally monitor this email reflector or contribute to it, why are you using it it promote your commecial product? Are you going to make the circuit and code (or programmed MCUs) available to list members?   Robert G8RPI. From: Adam

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update

2013-09-12 Thread Robert Atkinson
say that you do not contribute anything (I said you did not contribute to the Time nuts list, by your own admission you don't). I asked three questions. Obviously these touched a nerve. G'day, Robert Atkinson CEng MRAeS G8RPI. From: Adam Maurer m

Re: [time-nuts] First frequency counter

2013-09-06 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Edesio, Welcome to the group. The HP 5316A you are looking at is an excellent little counter. While not up to extreme time nut standards, they work well and in my opinion would make a much better first counter than (say) one of the modern low end (not known brand) new counters or

Re: [time-nuts] NOT Lady Heather without a PC

2013-08-19 Thread Robert Atkinson
Sorry for confusion caused by my using the L H words :-) it's called Thunderhead and is a lot cheaper than some solutions if you just want a desktop monitor or can hack an iPaq handheld into your Thunderbolt's case. Details including complied EXE for PocketPC and source code is

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather without a PC

2013-08-16 Thread Robert Atkinson
Sorry to reply to my own post. I was wrong on the name of the PocketPC software. It's called Thunderhead see http://fuzzythinking.com/projects/thunderhead/ Robert G8RPI. From: Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk To: Discussion of precise time and frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather without a PC

2013-08-16 Thread Robert Atkinson
. I used an SD card to store the exe file.  A quick check on ebay shows 2200 iPAQs on buy it now for $25.  Robert G8RPI. From: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com To: Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk; Discussion of precise time and frequency

[time-nuts] Lady Heather without a PC

2013-08-15 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Chris, I've posted this before, but it's worth saying again. I use the PocketPC version of Lady Heather on an IPAQ. These are available for next to nothing on Ebay and can run in a dock on the bench or you can gut it and embed it in a cased Thunderbolt. worn out batteries are not an issue as

[time-nuts] Distribution Amp 75R socket compatability

2013-08-08 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Dave, The old thin pin 75R BNC sockets are rare these days. Most equipment now uses intermateable sockets that use the same size contact as 50R but with reduced diameter dielectric to maintain the impedance match. Fully compatible with 50R without damage. The only small drawback is that the

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz x 10MHz

2013-08-02 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Most of the British Racal standards are 5MHz. It may well have been down to what was the best performance of the nationally avilable crystals. Everthing is a compromise. It is easy to double a 5MHz output to 10MHz. One way is to pass it through a bridge rectifier (high speed diodes of

Re: [time-nuts] More pictures of the mystery Collins Ru

2013-07-29 Thread Robert Atkinson
/wiki/TACAMO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_Wave_Emergency_Network - some converted to DGPS Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html Robert Atkinson wrote: Hi Tim, Three possible reasons for needing a Rb standard, 1/ Coherent

Re: [time-nuts] More pictures of the mystery Collins Ru

2013-07-29 Thread Robert Atkinson
Not true, Many aircraft OMEGA / VLF navigation systems used Rb clocks. Most if not all the FRKs on the surplus market with the 10MHz output on the multipole connector rather than a SMA came from OMEGA / VLF units. I used to fix the systems. Robert G8RPI.

Re: [time-nuts] More pictures of the mystery Collins Ru

2013-07-28 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Tim, Three possible reasons for needing a Rb standard, 1/ Coherent detection with a local clock 2/ Hyperbolic navigation (local reference improves the fix and holdover) 3/ Secure communications. Robert G8RPI From: Tim Shoppa tsho...@gmail.com To:

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Spoofing

2013-07-27 Thread Robert Atkinson
It seems you can't rely on the human backup. The UK Marine accident Investigation Branch Has recorded numerous accidents due to poor lookout. See http://www.maib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/KarinSchepersReportWeb.pdf http://www.maib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/CoastalIsle.pdf

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt SMPS question

2013-07-18 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Chris, See http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tbolt/power.htm and http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tbolt/noise.htm I use a Condor / PowerOne HTAA-16W triple output linear. Technically it low on current for the +12V, but as full current is only drawn during warm up and the -12V is virtually

Re: [time-nuts] ADSL in UK was Thunderbolt SMPS question OT

2013-07-18 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Chris, It is very likely that the cause of interference pick-up (not the actual source) is BT's odd wiring scheme. The extensions use a third wire for the ringing signal. This unbalances the wiring making pick-up more likely on extensions. The ringing signal is basically just the incomming

Re: [time-nuts] Lead acid battery noise levels - super caps

2013-07-12 Thread Robert Atkinson
Interesting idea. Capacity equates to about 115mAH (.310WH / 2.7V) and thats to zero output, so not an endurance option.   Robert G8RPI From: David t_list_1_o...@braw.co.uk To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2013, 22:17 Subject: Re: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] How dangerous if a Rb lamp broken?

2013-07-11 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, Not quite,  The raduim is still very active. The glow stops because the ZnS breaks down. The light emissson relies on the crystaline structure of the ZnS plus a small amount of doping, typically silver. The alpha particles break down the crytaline structrure causing the glow to weaken. Most

Re: [time-nuts] Lead acid battery noise levels

2013-07-11 Thread Robert Atkinson
I'd guess that NiMH cells would be similar to Nicads. Cadmium has been banned in the EU, except where it is essential. The power tool manufacturers successfully negotiated an exemption, so they are still available. I did note that the paper only considered Johnson and shot noise. The very low

Re: [time-nuts] How dangerous if Rb lamp broken?

2013-07-10 Thread Robert Atkinson
of Rb87  Rb cells are perfectly safe for all practical purposes. An injury from the broken glass is probably much more of a risk! HTH,Robert G8RPI. From: Hui Zhang ba...@163.com To: Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk; Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] How dangerous if Rb lamp broken?

2013-07-09 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Hui, Most bulbs use a mix of Rb87 and Rb85 with an activity of around 1500 Bq/gram with less than half a millgram in a typical bulb, that's less than a Bq per bulb (about 20 picocuries). You will get more ardiation from using low sodium salt (potassium chloride) on your food. Potasium is

Re: [time-nuts] How dangerous if Rb lamp broken?

2013-07-09 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Why are so many people radiophobic? As in ionising radiation. There are far more hazardous things in our hobby, electrocution and falling from a height be two of the big killers. I defy anyone to come up with a confirmed case of death caused by radiation as part of our hobby. Lead, solder

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B dropping mains voltage

2013-07-07 Thread Robert Atkinson
. From: Mark C. Stephens ma...@non-stop.com.au To: Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, 6 July 2013, 22:39 Subject: RE: [time-nuts] HP 5370B dropping mains voltage How Does that Work

Re: [time-nuts] Smithsonian Time/Nav Exhibit

2013-07-01 Thread Robert Atkinson
For those of us who would have to navigate a long way, there is a on-line http://timeandnavigation.si.edu/ Robert G8RPI. From: Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, 1 July

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore UT+ Battery Backup

2013-06-27 Thread Robert Atkinson
As a side note, I'd use lithiums rather than AA's (alkaline) purely because they don't tend to leak corrosive electrolyte all over your expensive electronics if (when) you forget to change them. Lithiums have a longer shelf life too. From: mike cook

Re: [time-nuts] Cross border shipping == was: GPS receivers W/timing outputs greater than 1PPS

2013-06-27 Thread Robert Atkinson
It actually even easier than ever now. Ebay.com do a global postage programme http://pages.ebay.co.uk/shipping/globalshipping/buyer-tnc.html#paymentsplit   The seller ships it to a US processing center (an item I just won went to Kentucky) and they preprocess the customs. I prepaid which saves

Re: [time-nuts] +12 Volts 1A (plus a bit) supply?

2013-06-27 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Bob, As adrian has said, 20V off load is not really excessive. Assuming you are using the blue wires and associated bridge rectifier, this was designed to run a pair of +5V and -5V regulators, a 7805 and 7905. This means if anything the voltage is a little low for 12V output. Try bolting the

Re: [time-nuts] +12 Volts 1A (plus a bit) supply?

2013-06-27 Thread Robert Atkinson
Doh, It's late here, that should have been ...bolting the 7812 to the existing TO3 heatsink.. Robert. From: Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-15 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Perry, While I agree with everything else you say, you CAN have too much filter capacitance. At least where dc rectifier / filter (smoothing) circuits are concerned. Increasing C causes increased ripple current and inrush current and can overstress rectifiers and transformers. Not actually a

Re: [time-nuts] Cheap 9.8Mhz Sa.22c's

2013-06-02 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Mark, According to the manual, YES you can select different frequencies. See http://www.rdrelectronics.com/skip/feb/SA22c.pdf The seller doen't ship to the UK, fancy forwarding one for me? Robert G8RPI. From: Mark C. Stephens ma...@non-stop.com.au To:

Re: [time-nuts] Cheap 9.8Mhz Sa.22c's

2013-06-02 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Magnus, According to the datasheet 10MHz is a standard output. The Manual say you can change the factory setting using SSIP ( Symmetricom Serial Interface Protocol). Unless of couse the particular units have been restricted. I don't thnik so as both the factory set frequency and 10MHz are

Re: [time-nuts] Good (cheap) PIC chip choice for project?

2013-05-26 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Jason, Firstly I'm pro PIC so what I say is likely biased ;-) Look at one of the Microchip PicKit 3 (or even PicKit 2) starter kits. See http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGEnodeId=1406dDocName=en538340 The

Re: [time-nuts] Follow-up question re: microcontroller families

2013-05-26 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Charles, I'm biased, but here goes. With regard to long term support it's hard to beat Microchip products. They still supply (or at least a pin equivalent) and support all their controller products. They built their business on support and low cost, reliable development tools. You are not

Re: [time-nuts] Changing FE-5650A frequency?

2013-04-20 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Alec, Well done and thanks for the credit. I had not looked under the board for the crystal or spotted the divider. One comment. in your blog and ebay description you say that the unit runs on 15V. The M suffix 5650A is actually designed for a normal aircraft 28V DC supply (typical

Re: [time-nuts] Changing FE-5650A frequency?

2013-04-20 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Alec, Well done and thanks for the credit. I had not looked under the board for the crystal or spotted the divider. One comment. in your blog and ebay description you say that the unit runs on 15V. The M suffix 5650A is actually designed for a normal aircraft 28V DC supply (typical

Re: [time-nuts] Changing FE-5650A frequency?

2013-04-20 Thread Robert Atkinson
: Alexander Wright ale...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2013, 12:11 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Changing FE-5650A frequency? On 20/04/13 10:03, Robert Atkinson wrote: Hi Alec, Well done and thanks for the credit. I had

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera ASM release

2013-04-16 Thread Robert Atkinson
Me too, Didn't say anything before to keep the noise down.   Robert G8RPI. From: Alan Melia alan.me...@btinternet.com To: time-nuts measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2013, 0:40 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera ASM release Bert  I am

Re: [time-nuts] Connectors

2013-04-14 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Rick, According to 3M the self amalgamating tape (130) is not UV resistant. They recommend covering it with 33+ to keep the light off.  Not sure about the ScotchKote. The self amalgamating tape forms an air and watertight seal. It has no sulpher so no silver tarnishing. The trick with the

Re: [time-nuts] Connectors glue lined heatshrink

2013-04-14 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Dave, Not quite, they do use irradiation crosslinking to make the heatshrink tube, but the hotmelt adhesive is a completly separate layer. They do different combinations of tube and glue for different applications. Really cool are the pre-forms that look like a parallel tube but shrink down

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna??

2013-04-10 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Rob, See my earlier post on using repeaters / re-radiators in the UK. Ofcom are insitituting a light licencing scheme for GPS / GNSS repeaters. The transmit antenna must be inside and the licence fee is £75. No mention that I've seen of type approval but they should of course meet CE

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna??

2013-04-08 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Alan and Tom, Note that under the Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006  here in the UK, active GNSS repeaters have to be licenced. See http://194.33.160.59/radiocomms/ifi/enforcement/gpsrepeaters/ and http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/enforcement/spectrum-enforcement/gpsrepeaters/ Even a normal

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble SVeeSix -- was DATUM 9390-52054 Grief again...

2013-04-07 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, IIRC the early Trimble Placer vehicle tracking GPS receivers used the SVee6 and SVee8. I think the Placer 400 used  the SVee6. These units turn up on ebay etc at very low cost. Robert G8RPI. From: gandal...@aol.com gandal...@aol.com To:

Re: [time-nuts] Changing FE-5650A frequency?

2013-04-07 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Alex, These units were used as timing references for secure communication systems (Havequick). see ebay item 130832014630. Unfortunatly they are an older design with a two chip DDS. The other problem is that the M designation is for military and means they have been partially encapsulated

Re: [time-nuts] Changing FE-5650A frequency?

2013-04-07 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Herbert, These units are different to the picture at http://www.qsl.net/z/zl1bpu/PROJ/FE5650-2.jpg They have dip switches and no PIC. The option is covered in one of the manual out there but I'm sitting at the wrong computer to dig out the details. Robert G8RPI.

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble SVeeSix -- was DATUM 9390-52054 Grief again...

2013-04-07 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Nigel, I've had a couple of early Placers and am fairly sure it was a SVee6 but it was some time ago. I bought it surplus in the USA in 1998. I may still have one up in the attic. I'll go and dig. Robert G8RPI. From: gandal...@aol.com gandal...@aol.com

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble SVeeSix -- was DATUM 9390-52054 Grief again...

2013-04-07 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi  Nigel, Had a dig and did not find a placer (yet, I've a lot of stuff up there :-) Did find a small Nav-Guide 4700 that seems to be a VHF differential system with a Trimble ACE  GPS. Can't find any info on it. Robert G8RPI. From: gandal...@aol.com

Re: [time-nuts] OT - DC-10 gyros

2013-03-28 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Bill, The rated voltage is probably 26V AC rather than 28. I bulit a 3 phase inverter for a test rig last year and just used 3 cheap MOSFET power amplifier kits off ebay. Changed the feedback C's to limit high frequency response and it was nice and stable. When testing put a automotive stop

Re: [time-nuts] OT - DC-10 gyros

2013-03-28 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Bill, The amp I used was similar to this circuit http://www.circuitstoday.com/100w-mosfet-power-amplifier which is a common design. Supply is 45V (unregulated rectified and filtered 30V transformer) so will drive 26V out OK. I've also used modules from ILP in the past, sometimes with a

Re: [time-nuts] OT - DC-10 gyros

2013-03-28 Thread Robert Atkinson
  I've not tried it and am not endorsing it but it looks a good low cost starting point.   Robert G8RPI.   From: Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, 28 March 2013, 12:20

[time-nuts] Rockwell PLGR GPS

2013-03-09 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi all, Not totally timenut, but I have a PLGR for sale and thought I' offer it here before putting it on ebay. it's a bit of an odd one, model HNV561A part no.822-0766-002. This appears to be the British version of the HMV560C. It is not stolen, I obtained it from official UK disposal

Re: [time-nuts] altinex switches

2013-02-21 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Chuck, some early 75R BNC designs did use a smaller diameter center contact. The 75R male can make intermittent contact when used with a worn or top of limit 50R female. The 75R female can be damaged for use with the small contact male if used with a 50R or large contact 75R male. The do

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-02-01 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Bert, No need to block the DC. These instruments already have DC blocks (and a switchable low current DC sink to hold the line from the exchange) because the telephone line has a DC voltage of typically 48V on it already. For comparison I just use 600 ohm termination and dBm, dBmV can be

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-01-31 Thread Robert Atkinson
A non-standard but repeatable way to measure power supply noise is to use a Transmission Impairment Measuring Set (TIMS) such as the HP3945(6)A or 3551 (2)A. These were intended for use in pairs to assess analog telephone lines for data use. As well as an AF generator, frequency counter,

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-01-31 Thread Robert Atkinson
Oops,  that should be HP4945(6)A not 3945 Robert. From: Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013, 18:46 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monito - Another option

2013-01-27 Thread Robert Atkinson
My answer to this problem was to buy a old IPAQ handheld device on ebay ($30 including a bluetooth GPS mouse) and run the PocketPC version of lady heather. You could put the IPAC in its cradle and set it on the bench as a remote monitor, but I gutted it and built it into my cased Thunderbolt.

[time-nuts] FE-5650A with a AD9955 DDS board.

2013-01-22 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, I just found an FEI FE5650A which has an older DDS board in it. The board has an AD9955 DDS chip and 4 8way DIP switches. There is no serial port. It appears to be the universal DDS board shown in the manual. The unit is partially potted so tracing the circuit is not ideal. Does anyone have

Re: [time-nuts] single board PCs

2013-01-06 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Jim, If space is an issue have a look at PC/104 format boards. These are designed for embedded applications and are rugged. Another advantage is that they pypically have a long product lifetime. No developing your product, testing it and then finding the PC motherboard you used is obsolete

Re: [time-nuts] 2.5 Ghz 12 digit counter project

2012-12-28 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, While it may be a waste of time and money for time nuts, it may be a good introduction for others. It may even spawn a few time nuts. Better someone build this and learn something than just buy a cheap Chinese counter on ebay. I've seen much worse projects published. I do agree that not

Re: [time-nuts] B-1B bomber time reference

2012-12-14 Thread Robert Atkinson
Several years ago I bought a very nice 24U EMC screend cabinet at auction. It had an Odetics SatSync GPSDo with a rubidium reference, dual redundant power supplies, a logic box and an AN/ARC164 UHF transceiverin a 19 rack chassis. It was a shipborne havequick timing reference. I still have the

Re: [time-nuts] EES RC 1454 100DB MSF/GPS clock

2012-11-30 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Nigel, Connect did have some recently by this came from another? seller who is from the same town. WoodsGroup are also selling them (item 390489973647 ) but at excessive prices and without the antenna. The GPS mod seems to replace the PLL board and loops the LF signal through. The GPS

[time-nuts] EES RC 1454 100DB MSF/GPS clock

2012-11-29 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi all, I recently gave in and bought one of the EES (european electronic systems) RC1454 Radio Clock units that have been on ebay.co.uk for a while. The one I snagged came with a GPS antenna unit. The main unit has a label saying GPS Modified The main box appears to be a MSF receiver but has

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