Re: [time-nuts] A man with two clocks...

2013-10-03 Thread Sarah White
http://www.satsignal.eu/raspberry-pi/DigitalClock.html third paragraph: I've provided the source and binary files in this Zip archive, so you can either run the program as-is, or modify it to suit your own preferences. On 10/3/2013 6:43 PM, Phil Genera wrote: Is your code posted anywhere? I've

Re: [time-nuts] A Time-Nut's Worst Nightmare

2013-05-11 Thread Sarah White
On 5/10/2013 9:52 PM, Ed Palmer wrote: Part of me thinks it's cute, part of me wants to kill it. :-) https://www.tindie.com/products/akafugu/vetinari-clock Ed Agreed... I'm just thinking: Ah noo. Oww oww oww oww ma brainz!!! Just the thought of being off by 250ms is upsetting

Re: [time-nuts] gpsd 1pps pulse?

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah White
On 5/7/2013 2:00 PM, Sarah White wrote: If you have problems with PPS, just set the serial port to a higher baud rate... This is the reason I recommend against using the DCD line on the same serial port you're using for TSIP ((snip)) On 5/8/2013 6:53 AM, mike cook wrote: Sara, I'd

Re: [time-nuts] gpsd 1pps pulse?

2013-05-07 Thread Sarah White
On 5/6/2013 9:38 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: I would like to set up a NTP server on a machine running Linux (currently Korora 18). What are the requirements for the 1 PPS signal fed to the carrier detect pin? I presume the 10 us 1pps from the Thunderbolt is too narrow. I assume

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Sarah White
On 5/5/2013 6:35 AM, Miguel Barbosa Gonçalves wrote: Hi fellow time nuts! I've recently bought a Trimble Acutime gold that will be used as a reference clock for a NTP server. This receiver has the possibility of averaging it's position before entering what Trimble calls the overdetermined

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Sarah White
On 5/6/2013 12:29 AM, Mark Sims wrote: The 48-hour precision survey in Lady Heather uses a statistical weighted median filter to arrive at its final location instead of a simple average of fixes. It processes data of one minute, hour, and overlapping 24 hour intervals to calculate the

Re: [time-nuts] Atomic Watch.

2013-05-01 Thread Sarah White
On 5/1/2013 8:43 AM, Stephen Tompsett (G8LYB) wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/01/hoptroff_shows_first_atomic_watch_movement/ Stephen, fellow time nuts, [DISCLAIMER] I should really know better than to attempt internet discussions or comments first thing after waking up. Didn't

Re: [time-nuts] Atomic Watch.

2013-05-01 Thread Sarah White
On 5/1/2013 11:40 AM, Sarah White wrote: On 5/1/2013 8:43 AM, Stephen Tompsett (G8LYB) wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/01/hoptroff_shows_first_atomic_watch_movement/ Stephen, fellow time nuts, [DISCLAIMER] I should really know better than to attempt internet discussions

Re: [time-nuts] Atomic Watch.

2013-05-01 Thread Sarah White
On 5/1/2013 1:48 PM, Michael Tharp wrote: ((...snip...)) As for the article, The Register is not an outlet known for precise reporting. Take it as a journalistic liberty. NB: Your tweet is not visible to me, so it's somewhat difficult to fact-check :-) -- m. tharp I deleted the tweet

Re: [time-nuts] Atomic Watch.

2013-05-01 Thread Sarah White
On 5/1/2013 4:02 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 51815556.4050...@partiallystapled.com, Michael Tharp writes: On 5/1/2013 11:40, Sarah White wrote: Symmetricom doesn't go out of their way to say how the damn thing actually works, [...] NIST has documented that in a LOT of detail

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-16 Thread Sarah White
On 4/16/2013 9:53 AM, Achim Vollhardt wrote: Count me in as well, if you need another participating station. I have my Thunderbolt running 24/7 with a solid stationary antenna.. I'm not sure what all I'll need to participate, but I'd like to volunteer my thunderbolt to this sort of network as

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-16 Thread Sarah White
On 4/16/2013 1:55 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 4/15/13 10:22 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 4/15/13 9:27 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: NIST SIM GPS common view pinwheel described in one of the NIST reports as an aperture coupled slot fed array that is better than a patch, but not as large and heavy as a choke

[time-nuts] Network jitter with NTP

2013-02-12 Thread Sarah White
David, Thanks for posting that. I'm currently doing some testing over wifi links myself, and found that page very useful. You do a really good job documenting your experiences with GPS-based NTP refclocks, and I appreciate all the hard work. I just wanted to ask though, are you compiling your

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-02-01 Thread Sarah White
Bob Camp, Thursday, January 31 11:36 AM (Local NY time): ((...snip...)) With a good enough voltmeter you could carry the analogy one step further and compute an ADEV like number on the output voltage. I suspect that's carrying things a bit far. No, I disagree. That's not carrying things nearly

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port / Mouse issue (was mentioned inThunderbolt Monitor)

2013-01-26 Thread Sarah White
On 1/25/2013 1:43 AM, David J Taylor wrote: From: Sarah White [complex instructions snipped] --Sarah P.S. sorry to double-post like this. === Sara, It's far simpler to go into the Device Manger and disable the spurious device, as described

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port / Mouse issue (was mentioned in Thunderbolt Monitor)

2013-01-24 Thread Sarah White
On 1/24/2013 11:07 PM, Sarah White wrote: (quotes) NOTE: If you boot Windows with your ThunderBolt connected to the Com port, Windows will think it is a serial mouse and grab the port. It can lead to some interesting Windows behavior as the T-Bolt outputs data. Easy fix. Add

[time-nuts] Serial port / Mouse issue (was mentioned in Thunderbolt Monitor)

2013-01-24 Thread Sarah White
(quotes) NOTE: If you boot Windows with your ThunderBolt connected to the Com port, Windows will think it is a serial mouse and grab the port. It can lead to some interesting Windows behavior as the T-Bolt outputs data. Easy fix. Add the following to your Boot.ini file. Obviously, the x

[time-nuts] tbolt temperature coefficient RMS values (as calculated in LH)

2012-12-20 Thread Sarah White
On 12/11/2012 10:33 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: ((...snip...)) I initially thought the third unit's oven controller was broken (low gain). Then I noticed that the great majority of posted Lady Heather plots appear to be from units similar to that one, with the much higher tempco and

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-20 Thread Sarah White
On 12/21/2012 1:52 AM, Said Jackson wrote: Can you create an executable for windows? Thanks, Said python is a script-type language which runs on top of the python engine (almost similar to how java programs run on a java engine) ... to answer your question: yep, you can download here:

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy SSR-6TR

2012-12-14 Thread Sarah White
Sorry, this is off-topic: Wondering I'm if anyone else had part of this particular conversation / thread (Synergy SSR-6TR) sent to their spam folder or otherwise filtered? From what I suspect, it was just a false-positive, as the conversation didn't appear to be spam, wondering if the word

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt oven / non-stable operating temperature

2012-12-14 Thread Sarah White
On 12/11/2012 10:33 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: All three have Trimble 37265 OCXOs (( sorry to single out that one line )) Just a curiosity. Is there any way to check that via software? Did you just physically look under the cover, or how did you figure out which type of oscillator your

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt oven / non-stable operating temperature

2012-12-10 Thread Sarah White
Ended up with a gently used trimble thunderbolt a few months ago, and been trying to figure out the best settings to use (time constant, damping, etc.) for best performance. I got distracted though. There is something which I find rather annoying, and I'm spending more time messing with this

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt oven / non-stable operating temperature

2012-12-10 Thread Sarah White
On 12/10/2012 5:22 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The oven in the OCXO keeps the crystal at a constant temperature. It is normal for the TBolt it's self to idle 10 to 20C above ambient. The temperature sensor is located near the 9 pin D connector. It shows a temperature somewhere in between the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt oven / non-stable operating temperature

2012-12-10 Thread Sarah White
On 12/10/2012 6:10 PM, Arthur Dent wrote: I believe that the high temperature alarm you see is triggered at 50 degrees C. If that is what you're seeing without artificially raising the temperature of the Thunderbolt by insulating it so it can't radiate the heat, what I said about

[time-nuts] Using a frequency synthesizer replacement for motherboard oscillator

2012-11-30 Thread Sarah White
Has anyone ever used a TAPR clock block or other frequency synthesizer to sort the clock drift / timing problems on a regular computer? I'll probably end up with a used dell or IBM workstation for this purpose. Recently, I came across a low-cost frequency synthesizer capable of using a 10mhz

Re: [time-nuts] Using a frequency synthesizer replacement for motherboard oscillator

2012-11-30 Thread Sarah White
On 11/30/2012 6:30 PM, Eric Garner wrote: the actual RTC on modern (Intel based) PC's is driven from a standard 32,768 Hz crystal attached to the PCH. some of them are in incredibly small packages now instead of the old tuning fork-in-a-can ones. peeling off the load caps and crystal from the

Re: [time-nuts] Using a frequency synthesizer replacement for motherboard oscillator

2012-11-30 Thread Sarah White
On 11/30/2012 7:54 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/30/2012 6:30 PM, Eric Garner wrote: the actual RTC on modern (Intel based) PC's is driven from a standard 32,768 Hz crystal attached to the PCH. some of them

[time-nuts] [off-list] Using a frequency synthesizer replacement for motherboard oscillator

2012-11-30 Thread Sarah White
On 11/30/2012 7:58 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:42 PM, John Ackermann N8UR j...@febo.com wrote: In this case, you're not looking for the RTC but rather the clock that drives the COU Read CPU. Stupid iPad keyboard. I use MessageEase on my android smartphone. The

Re: [time-nuts] [off-list] Using a frequency synthesizer replacement for motherboard oscillator

2012-11-30 Thread Sarah White
oops sorry that was supposed to be reply to sender not to list. Sorry sorry. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] UTC + 0 (was Accurate timestamping on computers )

2012-11-04 Thread Sarah White
http://inkushi.freeshell.org/screenshot-1351958570177.png ^See? Hence my filing a bug report a few hours ago. On 11/3/2012 8:54 PM, Brent Gordon wrote: Reykjavík, Iceland is UTC+0 without summer time changes. Brent On 11/3/2012 9:55 AM, Sarah White wrote: P.S. Seems strange

[time-nuts] Accurate timestamping on computers (previously: For my whole life timezones have been weird)

2012-11-03 Thread Sarah White
On 11/3/2012 5:32 AM, Sarah White wrote: So, at or around 1981 (the year I was born) there was a cool concept. IBM was selling personal computers (IBM-PC compatible later became a thing) and by the time I was old enough to operate a modem, I had one myself. Life was good. Wonder

Re: [time-nuts] For my whole life timezones have been weird

2012-11-03 Thread Sarah White
On 11/3/2012 8:02 AM, Edgardo Molina wrote: Dear Sarah, Good morning. I just returned home from a long and difficult customer data center migration. I thought of sharing that I feel the same way as you do regarding your thread. Things should always behave like a Mac or Linux, in which if

Re: [time-nuts] Accurate timestamping on computers (previously: For mywhole life timezones have been weird)

2012-11-03 Thread Sarah White
On 11/3/2012 8:26 AM, WB6BNQ wrote: Sarah, I am having a hard time understanding your problem. Or at least what you see as a problem. I am not sure what you are really complaining about here ? Is it the daylight change ? Or is it a dual boot problem which would suggest you do not

Re: [time-nuts] Accurate timestamping on computers (previously: For mywhole life timezones have been weird)

2012-11-03 Thread Sarah White
On 11/3/2012 9:18 AM, David J Taylor wrote: -Original Message- From: Sarah White [] Seeing as I'm in the process of installing a hardware refclock (trimble thunderbolt connected via serial port) for my NTP, it is highly problematic and potentially error-prone for microsoft's OS

Re: [time-nuts] Accurate timestamping on computers (previously: For mywhole life timezones have been weird)

2012-11-03 Thread Sarah White
On 11/3/2012 11:31 AM, David J Taylor wrote: -Original Message- From: Sarah White Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 9:49 AM Thanks so much David... Really. Thanks. I feel alot better now. Regardless of documented issues on: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/mswish/ut-rtc.html

Re: [time-nuts] Accurate timestamping on computers (previously: For mywhole life timezones have been weird)

2012-11-03 Thread Sarah White
On 11/3/2012 3:12 PM, David J Taylor wrote: -Original Message- From: Sarah White Great, thanks for the loopstats. For the included loopstats, I believe Alta was among the ones on which you were running windows 7 + NTP... Would you mind confirming which setting you have for your

[time-nuts] For my whole life timezones have been weird

2012-11-02 Thread Sarah White
at several of my clocks today, Sarah White ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Simple NTP server based on a Raspberry Pi

2012-10-29 Thread Sarah White
with the 700mhz raspi. hope this helps, Sarah White ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Timing performance of servers

2012-10-27 Thread Sarah White
, the NTP / SNTP protocol isn't nearly as high performance as Precision time protocol --- PTP is the latest technology to come out of the network time foundation, and NTP protocol has simply been around longer and as such, it is better known: http://networktimefoundation.org/projects/ regards, Sarah

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-26 Thread Sarah White
On 10/17/2012 12:31 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: Hi again everyone :) Originally I was hoping for a thunderbolt. The control / diagnostic software looked cool, but I couldn't afford the pricetag on one. ...Here's my

Re: [time-nuts] Timing performance of servers

2012-10-25 Thread Sarah White
On 10/24/2012 6:47 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Fellow time-nuts, When spending time on a conference last week, I heard one interesting comment that they lost data due to bad timing on their Windows servers. Now, I know that the standard Windows uses SNTP in order to achieve the goal of

Re: [time-nuts] Adjusting HP 5065A frequency

2012-10-22 Thread Sarah White
(( replied at beginning to be consistent with this thread )) Thanks, this has done a good job at furthering my understanding about error (one way of describing adev as I understand) vs short and long tau times. I don't have anything to add on that subject, but but I have a question about a page

Re: [time-nuts] documentation for beginners

2012-10-21 Thread Sarah White
On 10/21/2012 12:39 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:02:40 +0200 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Ah, but this is Time-Nuts.. are you sure you don't need 1E-13 performance? You may not think you do today, but inevitably, the horrible uncertainty in your time

Re: [time-nuts] documentation for beginners

2012-10-21 Thread Sarah White
On 10/21/2012 1:13 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Dear Sarah, On 10/21/2012 06:48 PM, Sarah White wrote: I would better appreciate that list of information if I confidently / specifically knew how to access any of it. Any chance you have links to the helpful information-type things you just

[time-nuts] Are serial port headers standardized?

2012-10-20 Thread Sarah White
I've done enough reading to know that continuing to use this navigation (NOT timing mode) GPS is not an option. Initially, I was pleased to find out that the old RS232 (serial) --- USB adapter I pulled out of storage uses the same prolific 2303 USB-serial driver ... At least at first I was.

Re: [time-nuts] Are serial port headers standardized?

2012-10-20 Thread Sarah White
-for-computers-laptop-worked-as-gps-navigator_p46411.html AGI-G217 USB GPS Receiver ((...snip...)) ^copied from other thread: Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock) Thanks again, Sarah On 10/20/2012 2:05 AM, Sarah White wrote: I've done enough reading to know that continuing to use

Re: [time-nuts] Are serial port headers standardized?

2012-10-20 Thread Sarah White
On 10/20/2012 7:48 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Usually a crimp type DB9 can be wired directly to the crimp type IDC connector, leaving out the pin 10 of the IDC, it is missing in the header. But, yes, better to test as indicated by Peter. ((...snip...)) o - This pin should be ground o o

Re: [time-nuts] Are serial port headers standardized?

2012-10-20 Thread Sarah White
On 10/20/2012 10:06 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The IDC to 9 pin cables are a generic / cheap item on eBay or from Newegg. Less than $3 delivered last time I needed any. Bob ((...snip...)) Motherboard manual said: Connect one side of a switching cable to the header and then attach the serial

Re: [time-nuts] Are serial port headers standardized?

2012-10-20 Thread Sarah White
On 10/20/2012 11:56 AM, Dennis Ferguson wrote: On 20 Oct, 2012, at 02:05 , Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: Page 15, there is a yellow 10 (9) pin header, and page 26 was what I quoted. Really wish there was more information... I've had this motherboard for something like 5 years

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Sarah White
talking about in this thread / earlier post... These can KINDA be found for less than $100 and I'm starting to think that's probably as far down as low cost can get for timing mode. ((digitally signed)) Sarah White -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Sarah White
On 10/18/2012 1:20 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Let the GPS average the antenna position over a very long time. On a good GPSDO one can select the number of averages, and the position variance before the survey is finished, and the (now very precise) position is stored in memory.

[time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-17 Thread Sarah White
? Not quite sure based on a few seemingly conflicting statements I've seen from diferent vendors. Are these iLotus M12M basically aftermarket motorola oncore? That's all I guess. ((digitally signed)) Sarah White - --- Original post quoted below --- Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 00:25:51 -0400 From

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-17 Thread Sarah White
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: ((...snip...)) -- my post was long. Sorry hehe. 1) iLotus M12M timing mode GPS (serial port version) 2) Aprox 10 meter antenna cable with apropriate connector(s) 3) active

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-17 Thread Sarah White
reason I'm on this list. Some day I might be good enough with all this tech, such that I could act as a consultant on the subject... For now though, I'm enjoying the learning experience(s) Thanks everyone :) ((Digitally Signed)) Sarah White -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-17 Thread Sarah White
) That's navigation... Timing mode only needs 1 satellite lock after all, and I suspect I will at minimum be able to get needed 1 satellite lock with nearly any active GPS antenna. ((digitally signed)) Sarah White -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG

Re: [time-nuts] : L1 GPS timing signal(s) into local time on computer(s)

2012-08-21 Thread Sarah White
used for above calculations would be relative to the position of the antenna? I read somewhere that even compensating for the length of the antenna cabling is important? This is all so exciting. Thanks everyone. On 8/21/2012 2:01 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Sarah

Re: [time-nuts] : L1 GPS timing signal(s) into local time on computer(s)

2012-08-21 Thread Sarah White
Wow. Okay. The user manual actual considers this cable delay to be worth mention? I can see why the trimble thunderbolt is a favorite among time nuts 3 I'm sold. On 8/21/2012 12:48 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Chris

Re: [time-nuts] : L1 GPS timing signal(s) into local time on computer(s)

2012-08-20 Thread Sarah White
on a single satellite lock (before falling back on the ovenized crystal in pure holdover mode) ... Is that a common feature? Know of any good ones other than the trible thunderbolt? On 8/20/2012 5:07 PM, cfo wrote: On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:29:22 -0400, Sarah White wrote: oh wow, thanks. I'll try

Re: [time-nuts] L1 GPS timing signal(s) into local time on computer(s)

2012-08-19 Thread Sarah White
my iPad On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, this is my first post. First off. Windows 7 USB connection to the GPS (no serial ports / modern computer) and I'm pretty sure that is my main problem. Past few months, I've been trying to figure out my timing

Re: [time-nuts] Embedded NTP servers?

2012-08-19 Thread Sarah White
If your design gets off the ground, I'd surely try to replicate it from your part list or buy a kit from you or whatever. Sounds great. On 8/19/2012 2:19 PM, Michael Tharp wrote: On 08/19/2012 01:38 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: NTP is not as easy as you think. Just doing the cryptography to

Re: [time-nuts] : L1 GPS timing signal(s) into local time on computer(s)

2012-08-19 Thread Sarah White
) into local time on computer(s) (Sarah White) 2. Modern motherboard with RS232 port (Stan, W1LE) 3. Re: L1 GPS timing signal(s) into local time on computer(s) (KD0GLS) 4. Embedded NTP servers? (Michael Tharp) 5. Re: Modern motherboard with RS232 port (Chris Albertson

Re: [time-nuts] Modern motherboard with RS232 port

2012-08-19 Thread Sarah White
Ed: you're sorta right, but only on a really basic level of electrical engineering. Induction and capacitance and random transformer magnetic flux nonsense that makes AC currents act in unexpected ways. The difference between volt-amp versus RMS watt versus peak watts, etc, etc. can be off by

[time-nuts] L1 GPS timing signal(s) into local time on computer(s)

2012-08-18 Thread Sarah White
Hi, this is my first post. First off. Windows 7 USB connection to the GPS (no serial ports / modern computer) and I'm pretty sure that is my main problem. Past few months, I've been trying to figure out my timing issues. Lots of reading trying to figure out how to best configure everything. I'm