Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Outer oven controller schematic

2013-07-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
Paul, gas? What gas? what soft plastic paint remover? A little more specifics would help if someone is in the need. Cheers, Magnus On 20/07/13 23:22, paul swed wrote: Hello to the group. As the various posts mention pulling the outer oven and taped wire off is a job. But thats done. The Osc

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Outer oven controller schematic

2013-07-31 Thread Arnold Tibus
Magnus, I am sure he does mean gasoline, petrol, benzine. I apply it quite often when other alcohols dont work e.g. spiritus (ethanol). But beware to apply only the clean issue which is specially sold for this purpose or that one sold in small metal cans for the good old cigarette lighters. It is

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Outer oven controller schematic

2013-07-31 Thread Rex
I suspect by gas he meant gasoline. I don't know about what paint remover he meant but I have another suggestion that might have worked. For cleaning label gunk off of used test equipment I have used automotive bug and tar remover. Seems to loosen up lots of gunk but not so strong it hurts

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Outer oven controller schematic

2013-07-31 Thread paul swed
Paint remover turpentine Gas = gasoline Ovens all clean now of the goo. But its still off frequency Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Rex r...@sonic.net wrote: I suspect by gas he meant gasoline. I don't know about what paint remover he meant but I have another suggestion

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Outer oven controller schematic

2013-07-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Paul (and others), On 31/07/13 15:37, paul swed wrote: Paint remover turpentine Gas = gasoline Thanks! Ovens all clean now of the goo. But its still off frequency Bummer. Hope it can resolve itself with some more debugging and test of ideas with the good folks here. Have a few more

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Outer oven controller schematic

2013-07-23 Thread paul swed
Can popped open pretty easily. Now to start to measure voltages to see if things are within tolerance. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:22 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Hello to the group. As the various posts mention pulling the outer oven and taped wire off is a job. But thats done.

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-23 Thread WarrenS
-nut postings do show up other places. ws - Original Message - From: Charles P. Steinmetz To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller. Warren

[time-nuts] 10811 Outer oven controller schematic

2013-07-20 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Warren S and I have posted details of an outer oven controller for the 10811 double oven series here: http://www.vk2hmc.net/blog/?p=526 --marki ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Outer oven controller schematic

2013-07-20 Thread paul swed
Marki Funny timing. I am working on a 10811 from a z3801 and am working towards opening the can its soldered. Steve Smiths posts have been very helpful. But I am dealing with lots of black melted goo. Not really from heat. Just age the way a lot of things deteriorate. That said I will be trying to

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Outer oven controller schematic

2013-07-20 Thread ed breya
Paul, If the 10811 is that far off, are you sure the oven is working? A few years ago mine had a failure of a particular date code range of the opamp that controls the oven, that were prone to failure.at high temperature. The symptom in the Z3801A was that the outer oven seemed bad - it did

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Outer oven controller schematic

2013-07-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If a 10811 oven is simply not working, the output will be 400 Hz off frequency. Bob On Jul 19, 2013, at 12:48 PM, ed breya e...@telight.com wrote: Paul, If the 10811 is that far off, are you sure the oven is working? A few years ago mine had a failure of a particular date code

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Outer oven controller schematic

2013-07-20 Thread paul swed
Hello to the group. As the various posts mention pulling the outer oven and taped wire off is a job. But thats done. The Osc is 45 Hz low hot and 200 Hz low cold. Bobs on target with his comment on what to expect. It does warm up and behave as you might expect but its all relative not exact even

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Outer oven controller schematic

2013-07-20 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Of Mark C. Stephens Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013 1:21 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] 10811 Outer oven controller schematic Warren S and I have posted details of an outer oven controller for the 10811 double oven series here: http://www.vk2hmc.net/blog/?p=526 --marki

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-16 Thread Bob Camp
:09 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller. The schematic has been around for some time. Although it's not the original site (which I believe is now gone), Didier has reposted the info at: http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/05%29_GPS_Timing/Z3801

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-16 Thread Azelio Boriani
. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Ed Palmer Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 1:09 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller. The schematic has been around for some time. Although

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-15 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
Ok, thanks for clarifying. In general the time constant one chooses must reflect both the intrinsic performance of the OCXO (essentially constant) and the realities of GPSDO mechanical, sky-view, and environmental conditions (possibly variable). Disabling an oven during a run is equivalent to a

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-15 Thread WarrenS
The Tbolt LadyHeather plots in my posting are being used as a poor mans high resolution TIC tester as discussed at length in other postings, not for it's GPSDO output capability. This is a method that allows a time-nut person that does not have any of the high end equipment still the ability

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-15 Thread Bob Stewart
@febo.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller. The Tbolt LadyHeather plots in my posting are being used as a poor mans high resolution TIC tester as discussed at length in other postings, not for it's GPSDO output capability

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-15 Thread Robert Darby
Is anyone aware of a schematic for the oscillator on the web? I have downloaded the usual 10811 manuals but I've never seen a schematic or description of the pin-outs for the double-oven version. Bob Darby On 7/12/2013 11:38 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Is it enough if I have a schematic to

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-15 Thread Mark Spencer
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Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-15 Thread Ed Palmer
The schematic has been around for some time. Although it's not the original site (which I believe is now gone), Didier has reposted the info at: http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/05%29_GPS_Timing/Z3801/Z3801A_Outer_Oven/Web_Page/Z3801A%20Outer%20Oven%20Controller.htm If necessary, be sure to

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller. Bob said {the 10811 will run fine without the outer oven} What I've seen is that a dual oven 10811 will run even **finer** and have up to 100 times less sensitivity to normal room temperature changes with a simple outer oven controller

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-14 Thread WarrenS
* ** - Original Message - From: Tom Van Baak Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller. Hi Warren, That's a really nice plot. One comment about the 60:1 quote, though. The plot

[time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-12 Thread Mark C. Stephens
I have a spare 10811 double oven, is there a homebrew outer oven controller floating around? -Marki ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-12 Thread Azelio Boriani
Is it enough if I have a schematic to send? But first let me find it... On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Mark C. Stephens ma...@non-stop.com.au wrote: I have a spare 10811 double oven, is there a homebrew outer oven controller floating around? -Marki

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-12 Thread Mark C. Stephens
] 10811 outer oven controller. Is it enough if I have a schematic to send? But first let me find it... On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Mark C. Stephens ma...@non-stop.com.au wrote: I have a spare 10811 double oven, is there a homebrew outer oven controller floating around? -Marki

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-12 Thread Bob Camp
for a run of them ;) -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani Sent: Saturday, 13 July 2013 1:38 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-12 Thread WarrenS
Message - From: Bob Camp To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller. Hi The outer oven on that version is simply a warmup heater. If it's operating properly, it drops