Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2012-01-03 Thread David
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 07:01:13 +0100, ehydra wrote: >David schrieb: >> I could analyze it on SPICE but I suspect the real world construction >> parasitics will be what limits the performance. I just sketched it >> out in my notebook but I will see if I can post it somewhere. Is >> there a quick a

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2012-01-02 Thread John Beale
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:14:30 -0800, John Beale wrote: In case it's useful... there are many ways to get a square wave out from a sine wave in, but one straightforward way is with a comparator. [...] FWIW, I decided on a more straightforward way to get a square wave output from my FE-5680A:

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2012-01-02 Thread ehydra
David schrieb: I could analyze it on SPICE but I suspect the real world construction parasitics will be what limits the performance. I just sketched it out in my notebook but I will see if I can post it somewhere. Is there a quick and dirty online schematic capture site? Scan it. I will mak

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2012-01-02 Thread shalimr9
precise time and frequency measurement Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave) I could analyze it on SPICE but I suspect the real world construction parasitics will be what limits the performa

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2012-01-02 Thread David
I could analyze it on SPICE but I suspect the real world construction parasitics will be what limits the performance. I just sketched it out in my notebook but I will see if I can post it somewhere. Is there a quick and dirty online schematic capture site? It is not that complicated being a diff

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2012-01-02 Thread David
The output level and impedance is why I ended up with the circuit I did. The complementary transconductance output allows a near 5 volt rail to rail swing from a 5 volt supply while driving a 50 ohm transmission line and 50 ohm shunt termination to 5 volts on the driver side. It would be a power

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2012-01-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi In most cases it's a T section (two coils, one cap) low pass filter tacked on to the output of a logic gate (or FPGA output). Net result is a reasonable sine wave *if* you terminate it correctly. Based on the observations posted on the list, the filter in the FE-5680 seems to be set up for a

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2012-01-02 Thread ehydra
Is it possible to sketch the circuit? I can SPICE it. Symmetry limiting is the holy grail and it is questionable if a discrete design is way better than one of the chips. Here is another limiter circuit (by Chris Trask): http://ehydra.dyndns.info/NG/LTspice/Negative%20Impedance%20LO%20Driver.

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2011-12-30 Thread Don Latham
Heck- for a really good risetime, all you need is a mercury-wetted relay :-) Don David > What kind of performance would you expect in this application? Low > jitter? 50 ohm output? TTL or better signal levels? Fast rise and > fall times? Duty cycle correction? > > After reading your post I wa

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2011-12-30 Thread Said Jackson
The spec is over the entire temp range, and it may not be linear to temp. It could be more sensitive at some temps than others.. Especially if the temp is digitally compensated inside the unit. Sent From iPhone On Dec 29, 2011, at 23:55, Chris Albertson wrote: > On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:14 P

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2011-12-30 Thread David
What kind of performance would you expect in this application? Low jitter? 50 ohm output? TTL or better signal levels? Fast rise and fall times? Duty cycle correction? After reading your post I was thinking about how to go about it and ended up with an 8 transistor discrete design using a dif

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2011-12-29 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:14 PM, John Beale wrote: > ...and by the way, my FE-5680A shows a consistent -7E-12 per degree C > temperature sensitivity (measured at case temp 42 and 52 C). The spec says 3E-10 from -5C to 50C So (3E-10)/55 = 5.5E-12 and you got 7E-12 I'd say it close to what's ad

[time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine -> square wave)

2011-12-29 Thread John Beale
In case it's useful... there are many ways to get a square wave out from a sine wave in, but one straightforward way is with a comparator. Some work better than others. The slow ones won't work at all at 10 MHz, and the very fast comparators (MAX999, ADCMP600, LT1116 etc.) are more expensive, an