Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 5058061f.6040...@clanbaker.org, Michael Baker writes: I was wondering, after seeing some 100 watt LED series wired assemblies that were listed at 30-34 VDC @ 2.9A if a number of LEDs could be wired in series and powered directly from a rectified 110 VAC power source. You wouldn't want

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Raj
Hm Maybe if an 1:1 isolation transformer is used except that it would be too heavy and large Mike Baker Mike, As long as one is spending on a transformer.. might as well use a step down transformer and use lower voltage lights! Raj

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Bob Camp
time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply... LEDs change brightness very fast and will flicker at 120Hz if you do that. Many people can see 120Hz flicker. Also you would not be getting all the brightness you could. Better to low pass filter On Mon, Sep

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Chuck Harris
Shouldn't be a problem with the standard UV - phosphor style white LED's that are on the market today. The phosphor has a hang time that runs into the minutes, if all of the glowing LED bits in my lamps are an indication. They glow softly for several minutes after turn off. -Chuck Harris

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message ac9e4c92327746d4a521facd35d9d...@vectron.com, Bob Camp writes: I suspect those same 120Hz sensitive people would not be able to watch TV or a movie :) I suggest you either carry out a couple of experiments yourself, or go a little easy on the irony. CRTs, and LCDs go out of their

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Bob Camp
: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:05 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply... In message ac9e4c92327746d4a521facd35d9d

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I suspect those same 120Hz sensitive people would not be able to watch TV or a movie :) In the old CRT type TV sets, the phosphor has some persistence. Movies are modulated with a square waves, the frame blinks off and goes

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Bob Camp
measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply... On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I suspect those same 120Hz sensitive people would not be able to watch TV or a movie :) In the old CRT type TV sets, the phosphor has some persistence

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Hal Murray
li...@rtty.us said: There are a *lot* of TV's out there that refresh at 60 Hz or less. Many years ago, we had a busted fluorescent light at work. I could see the flicker out of the corner of my eye. I found it annoying, so I'm a firm believer that some people can see flicker in some

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread K3WRY
If you all check, they are using LEDs in traffic signals now by the thousands. These are variations of multiple LEDs used in these signals and they are all powered by 115vac thru the traffic controllers. Joe k3wry In a message dated 9/18/2012 1:28:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Bob Camp
@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply... If you all check, they are using LEDs in traffic signals now by the thousands. These are variations of multiple LEDs used in these signals and they are all powered by 115vac thru the traffic controllers. Joe k3wry

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Jim Lux
measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply... In message ac9e4c92327746d4a521facd35d9d...@vectron.com, Bob Camp writes: I suspect those same 120Hz sensitive people would not be able to watch TV or a movie :) I suggest you either carry out a couple of experiments

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Tom Knox
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply... In message ac9e4c92327746d4a521facd35d9d...@vectron.com, Bob Camp writes: I suspect those same 120Hz sensitive people would not be able to watch TV or a movie

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread bownes
The local sandwich shop that I frequent recently switched to LED lighting. When I walk up to the counter I can see the flicker when people's hands are moving. The same applies for LED taillights when a vehicle is moving as well as newer LED tower lighting. Bob On Sep 18, 2012, at 13:15, Hal

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread lists
If you take your garden variety boost converter and place a resistor as the load, the current in the inductor is regulated. (Current is vreference over this resistor value.) All these dedicated LED drive chips do is reduce the voltage across the resistor to improve efficiency. In addition, they

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Dennis Ferguson
On 18 Sep, 2012, at 12:42 , Chris Albertson wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I suspect those same 120Hz sensitive people would not be able to watch TV or a movie :) In the old CRT type TV sets, the phosphor has some persistence. Movies are

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread John Lofgren
- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Ferguson Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:52 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply... On 18 Sep, 2012, at 12:42 , Chris

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread gary
: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:52 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply... On 18 Sep, 2012, at 12:42 , Chris Albertson wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi I suspect those same

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Dennis Ferguson
On 18 Sep, 2012, at 15:06 , John Lofgren wrote: snip I would hence believe that a 50 Hz flicker must be pretty close to the edge of what can be perceived, so I'm having trouble believing that a flicker at more than twice that rate would be perceptible at all by anyone. snip Oh, but it

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Ryan Szekeres
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:27 PM, gary li...@lazygranch.com wrote: A similar problem occurs with matrixed LED displays mounted on machinery that has vibration. Very common in industrial controls since they like LEDs for readability. This is very evident on the new L train cars in Chicago.

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Tom Miller
: Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply... On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:27 PM, gary li...@lazygranch.com wrote: A similar problem occurs with matrixed LED displays mounted on machinery that has vibration. Very common in industrial controls since they like LEDs for readability

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Bob Camp
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Ferguson Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:52 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply... On 18 Sep, 2012, at 12

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Ryan Szekeres
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Tom Miller tmil...@skylinenet.net wrote: That's because the signs are scanned/multiplexed displays. It is not 60/120 Hz flicker. Tom Something new to research. Thanks! -- Ryan Szekeres KB9TQN ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread DaveH
with this one. Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:28 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply... There are ways for the flicker

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread DaveH
[mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Szekeres Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:55 To: Tom Miller; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply... On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Tom Miller tmil

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Hal Murray
dennis.c.fergu...@gmail.com said: [context is flicker from light bulbs running on 25 Hz power] I would hence believe that a 50 Hz flicker must be pretty close to the edge of what can be perceived, so I'm having trouble believing that a flicker at more than twice that rate would be perceptible

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Al Wolfe
, k9si Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:23:41 -0400 (EDT) From: k3...@aol.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply... If you all check, they are using LEDs in traffic signals now by the thousands. These are variations of multiple LEDs used in these signals

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/18/12 10:57 AM, Tom Knox wrote: I remember reading that Hollywood played with faster frame rates and found a substantial number of people experience motion sickness. Not so much the frame rate, but generating imagery that isn't realistic.. your eye expects motion blur (particularly

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-17 Thread Michael Baker
Time-Nutters-- I was wondering, after seeing some 100 watt LED series wired assemblies that were listed at 30-34 VDC @ 2.9A if a number of LEDs could be wired in series and powered directly from a rectified 110 VAC power source. If enough LEDs are wired in series such that the peak DC voltage

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-17 Thread Chris Albertson
LEDs change brightness very fast and will flicker at 120Hz if you do that. Many people can see 120Hz flicker. Also you would not be getting all the brightness you could. Better to low pass filter On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:26 PM, Michael Baker mp...@clanbaker.org wrote: Time-Nutters-- I was