[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-02 Thread Steve - Home
And in flight simulation, movement of the simulator’s hydraulic or electric-driven motion platform adds another aspect to the timing problem. When a pilot moves the control wheel or rudder pedals he expects to see a change in his instruments, a change in the view out the cockpit windows, usually

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Hal Murray writes: > Are people sensitive to the sound being early? There has been quite a lot of research on that, but I have not followed it for many years. The overall situation is that if the sound arrives before the visual event the brain gets quite confused, but it can arrive and

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-02 Thread Wes
On 1/2/2022 1:17 PM, Lux, Jim wrote:  I watched a Titan IV launch from about 10km away. You saw the ignition, a 5-10 seconds later you felt the ground shaking, and the rocket was maybe 300-400 meters up and hitting the scattered clouds before the sound got to you 30 seconds later, and then you

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-02 Thread John Hawkinson
Hi. (former) Movie projectionist here. Some comments on multiple messages inline below: Hal Murray wrote on Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 12:57:24 EST in <20220102175724.6d8ab28c...@107-137-68-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net>: > How far off does the audio have to be before it doesn't look/sound > ri

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-02 Thread Lux, Jim
On 1/2/22 12:39 PM, Peter Vince wrote: I used to work in broadcast television, and find that most people would notice a couple of "frames" (80ms here in the UK) - we, trained and looking for it, would notice one frame (40ms). But it is more disturbing if the sound is early, as that is so unnatu

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-02 Thread Peter Vince
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 17:57, Hal Murray wrote: > > > How far off does the audio have to be before it doesn't look/sound right? How > accurately does the typical movie process get things aligned? I used to work in broadcast television, and find that most people would notice a couple of "frames"

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-02 Thread Lux, Jim
On 1/2/22 9:57 AM, Hal Murray wrote: j...@luxfamily.com said: So the *sound* of the clap has to propagate to the sound recording equipment (some ten miliseconds away if the mic is on a fishpole or boom). How far off does the audio have to be before it doesn't look/sound right? How accurately

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-02 Thread Adrian Godwin
> > > > How far off does the audio have to be before it doesn't look/sound right? > How > accurately does the typical movie process get things aligned? > > Are people sensitive to the sound being early? > Pretty sensitive, I think. We forgive a lot of poor lipsync on youtube or live TV but we of

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-02 Thread Hal Murray
j...@luxfamily.com said: > So the *sound* of the clap has to propagate to the sound recording equipment > (some ten miliseconds away if the mic is on a fishpole or boom). How far off does the audio have to be before it doesn't look/sound right? How accurately does the typical movie process ge

[time-nuts] Re: Time ball clock

2022-01-02 Thread Brent
There was a time ball at the entrance to Lyttleton Harbor, NZ. It was damaged in the earthquakes there, but it looks like the community funded the reconstruction of the tower and ball mechanism. I always looked forward to seeing it at the closure of a long cruise (Antarctica). https://en.wikiped

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-02 Thread Lux, Jim
On 1/1/22 8:48 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Hal Murray wrote: > where do you get the time? The new years celebrations last night remind me of another source of time: time balls. Although a bit of nostalgia these days or even a joke, time balls were clever, precise, and a critical part of naval in

[time-nuts] Re: Where do people get the time?

2022-01-02 Thread Adrian Godwin
Thanks for that, an enjoyable lecture ! Does anyone know more about the question at 1:05:50 - a difference between GMT and 'London time' used by airlines ? The questioner seemed sure it wasn't daylight savings, but I live only half a degree east of the meridian and am not aware of any other timez

[time-nuts] Time ball clock

2022-01-02 Thread John Moran, Scawby Design
What a project! 86,400 x 16 foot columns spaced 3” apart arranged on a cylinder 3.9 miles in diameter with bigger balls for minutes and bigger still for hours. Magical, and almost as grand as the 10,000 year clock. I will raise a Kickstarter Project immediately ... Seriously though, a small tw