Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-25 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Oct 25, 2020, at 3:43 AM, Bernd Neubig wrote: > > > > Hi, > >> On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 19:32:16 -0400 >> Bob kb8tq wrote: >> Those authors pretty much only focus on *oscillator* design. ( = >> electronics). >> Bottom is a “crystal guy”. He focuses pretty much only on how to chop up a

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-25 Thread Bernd Neubig
Hi, > On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 19:32:16 -0400 > Bob kb8tq wrote: >Those authors pretty much only focus on *oscillator* design. ( = electronics). >Bottom is a “crystal guy”. He focuses pretty much only on how to chop up a >chunk of quartz to get this or that result ( = frequency, temp coef, size, Q

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, If I where able to do that with helping hands in a lab and get a few crystals that actually work and produce oscillating oscillators, even if the frequency and Q isn't anything near stellar, that would still have value. It would be gained experience, but not really anyway near production

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-24 Thread jimlux
On 10/24/20 3:14 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: After it’s sealed up (and possibly processed a bit after seal) you test it to see how you did. Some number will be ok, the rest head into the trash. The good ones go into oscillators. Is that 5% or is that 80% … depends on what you are after …. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The gotcha is that if you want to *use* what’s in that book ( I have a copy and went to the course back in the 1970’s) the first step is to grab a chunk of quartz. Next you head over to your X-ray setup and work out what you have. After that you go over to the saw and chop some raw blanks.

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-24 Thread Dave Daniel
Try Dave Henderson at Artek Manuals. He does the best job scanning things. DaveD > On Oct 24, 2020, at 15:12, Mike Feher wrote: > > This did not make it the first time because I had attached photos that were > too large. I have an original copy of Don Firth's publication on "Quartz > crystal

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-24 Thread Ben Bradley
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 10:55 PM Wes wrote: > Not exactly the same book but the same author: > > "Introduction to quartz crystal unit design" There seems to be a copy in the > UK I see several copies of this in the $20 range on bookfinder.com, click "view all matches combined" at the link

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-24 Thread Dave Daniel
It may not be current, but IMHO it would not be a waste of time read it. If one wants to extend the knowledge gained from reading the the book to include more current theory I am sure that additional resources could be found. DaveD > On Oct 24, 2020, at 07:43, Attila Kinali wrote: > > On

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Oct 24, 2020, at 7:43 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 19:32:16 -0400 > Bob kb8tq wrote: > >> This book is an introduction to designing AT cut resonators. It came out >> before the SC existed. It’s very much a “starter” book on the subject. He >> would do a 1 to 3 day

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-24 Thread Clint Jay
There's a copy of Introduction to Quartz Crystal Unit Design by Virgil E Bottom for sale on thriftbooks.com but it's available to "borrow" on Archive.org and there are several copies of Theory and Design listed in various US university libraries on worldcat.org perhaps a friendly faculty member or

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-24 Thread Mike Feher
This did not make it the first time because I had attached photos that were too large. I have an original copy of Don Firth's publication on "Quartz crystal oscillator circuits design handbook". This was developed under a government contract by the US Army. Don was a friend while I was at

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi >From what I can see, all are essentially editions of the same book, updated as he continued to do his classes. Bob > On Oct 23, 2020, at 9:50 PM, Wes wrote: > > Attila, > > Amazon says (Out of print): > > * Publisher : McMurray Press; 1st Edition (January 1, 1968) > * Language: :

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-24 Thread jimlux
On 10/23/20 6:50 PM, Wes wrote: Attila, Amazon says (Out of print):  * Publisher : McMurray Press; 1st Edition (January 1, 1968)  * Language: : English  * ASIN : B0007H97C8 Not exactly the same book but the same author: "Introduction to quartz crystal unit design"  There seems to be a

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-24 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 19:32:16 -0400 Bob kb8tq wrote: > This book is an introduction to designing AT cut resonators. It came out > before the SC existed. It’s very much a “starter” book on the subject. He > would do a 1 to 3 day training session and the book was a giveaway as > part of those

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-23 Thread Wes
Attila, Amazon says (Out of print): * Publisher : McMurray Press; 1st Edition (January 1, 1968) * Language: : English * ASIN : B0007H97C8 Not exactly the same book but the same author: "Introduction to quartz crystal unit design"  There seems to be a copy in the UK

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Oct 23, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > Moin, > > I'm again hunting for some old stuff. Quite a few older papers, > books and technotes (including an article by Bernd Neubig from 1978) > reference V.Bottom's "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" > from 1974 This

[time-nuts] Looking for "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" by V.Bottom

2020-10-23 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, I'm again hunting for some old stuff. Quite a few older papers, books and technotes (including an article by Bernd Neubig from 1978) reference V.Bottom's "The Theory and Design of Quartz Crystal Units" from 1974 Unfortunately, the internet does not seem to have that, neither could I find