Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits SYPD-1

2018-12-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Jerry, On 12/19/18 7:04 PM, Jerry Hancock wrote: > Thanks to all that replied, lots of good info which will take me months to > sort through, especially the link to Jürg Kögel looks helpful as well as a > note from Bert. > > Attila, Yes, more phase noise than long term though this is really

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits SYPD-1

2018-12-20 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Hi, matching in the sense of selecting 4 equal ones won't help much with BJTs. Take them from the same tape, that's enough. Also, the transformer ratio does not matter much. Once VBE = 0.7V, the transistors switch on. The authors write that thy use the BE junction as diodes, but that is not

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits SYPD-1

2018-12-19 Thread Jerry Hancock
Gerhard, would there be any advantage to matching the transistors? I have a pretty accurate curve tracer. thanks, Jerry > On Dec 19, 2018, at 10:36 AM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > > I had once some leftover space on a home-etched test board and put > > one of these BJT mixers in a corner;

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits SYPD-1

2018-12-19 Thread Jerry Hancock
Thanks again. I have some MCL T1-6T transformers sitting here so maybe they will work. Regards, Jerry > On Dec 19, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Bruce Griffiths > wrote: > > NIST used off the shelf RF transformers in their mixers based on diode > connected (collector connected directly to base)

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits SYPD-1

2018-12-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
NIST used off the shelf RF transformers in their mixers based on diode connected (collector connected directly to base) 2N. The transformer impedance ratios (!:5 IIRC) are specified in the papers on the mixer performance. Suitable transformers are made by Minicircuits and others. Bruce

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits SYPD-1

2018-12-19 Thread Jerry Hancock
Thanks to all that replied, lots of good info which will take me months to sort through, especially the link to Jürg Kögel looks helpful as well as a note from Bert. Attila, Yes, more phase noise than long term though this is really an exercise to get a better understanding of oscillators and

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits SYPD-1

2018-12-19 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi There have been several threads on the SYPD-1 and it’s cousin in a different package the RPD-1. Both are designed targeted as phase detectors rather than mixers. While you can never say “always” the best performance generally is to drive both RF ports hard from matched sources. Terminate

[time-nuts] Minicircuits SYPD-1

2018-12-18 Thread jerry
Hello,   I'm playing around with various methods of collecting data for oscillator testing and would like to try the loose PLL which requires a phase detector (PD).  I'm testing an AD8302 but that has a flat spot around 176 to 180 degrees.  One of the papers I read recommended the subject PD