Re: [time-nuts] OCXO PLL gains?

2019-02-02 Thread Rice, Hugh (IPH Writing Systems)
> The 5061 had an analog double integrator using a $100 op amp. > Maybe Hugh Rice can speak about that. You have to have the 2nd > integrator to prevent a ramping error term from turning into a > frequency offset instead of getting integrated out. I never studied the control loop design on the

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO PLL gains?

2019-02-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Rick, On 2019-02-02 17:49, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 2/1/2019 3:22 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: The Gardner book is the one book I recommend. Few books has core knowledge so well compressed. If one only gets one book, this would be the one I would recommend. Cheers, Magnus

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO PLL gains?

2019-02-02 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 2/2/2019 3:06 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote:   We also used a double integrator on the 5071A cesium standard, but cesium loops are NOT PLL's. Indeed, double-integrator in FLL is a separate class of problems. Didn't know it had double-integrator. Cheers, Magnus The 5061 had an analog

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO PLL gains?

2019-02-02 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 2/1/2019 3:22 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: The Gardner book is the one book I recommend. Few books has core knowledge so well compressed. If one only gets one book, this would be the one I would recommend. Cheers, Magnus I'm glad someone mentioned this classic. 45 years ago, this was

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO PLL gains?

2019-02-02 Thread Dana Whitlow
I learned a useful rule of thumb design procedure for 2nd degree PLLs some time ago (I'll speak in the context of using an inverting op-amp in the loop gain/filter stage): Step 1: Short the capacitor in the opamp's FB loop, then set the resistor so that the PLL has the desired loop bandwidth.