Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
IIRC the internal transfer price was $400. The whole "business model" of being a captive supplier was extremely messy, including the calculation of internal transfer price. For T instruments for internal consumption, they abandoned "transfer at cost" decades ago. This was probably one of the

Re: [time-nuts] Timelab and GPIB, Aglient and Prologix adapter

2019-07-23 Thread breed
The Prologix is very easy to use . I use it with Labview ($ 50.00 Home edition) and have several vi's. I have interfaced it with HP 3325A, HP 3405A , HP 3478A , WK 2400, XL Microwave 3401 and several others. You can use Termite(free) or GPIB Configurator ( free) to sent one liners to test

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread Dave M
C12 and C15 on the support board are for peaking the multiplier/amplifier for the external standard input. The unit accepts 1MHz, 5MHz or 10MHz for the external reference frequency. The capacitors tune the external input to 10MHz for the counter to use as the reference. Cheers, Dave M

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The “most often mentioned” run rate was “about 800 a month". It was never at all clear if that also came out to 10,000 a year or not. ( = how often did they hit that rate). If you wanted to buy one piece, I believe the price was $800. At that price, even 800 a month would be pretty good

Re: [time-nuts] Hobbyist and prototyping boards with U-blox ZED-F9P

2019-07-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi There was a lot of discussion on the Sparkfun F9P board about six months ago. Since then uBlox came out with their own board for the F9P. Like the Sparkfun board and the bare F9P modules it shows up at Digikey “most of the time”. For whatever reason, they go in and out of stock (which is

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
I On 7/23/2019 9:09 AM, djl wrote: Just visited site. 3million hits on 10811 manuals. We're that many made:-)? IIRC it was something like 1,000 on a good month. No way 3 million. Rick ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 2019-07-23 13:01, Charles Steinmetz wrote: The later HP5328 "oscillator helper" boards have EFC pots for fine tuning the timebase frequency. This includes the US military versions that are so prevalent in the US. I have schematics showing this with both the 10544 (support board

Re: [time-nuts] Hobbyist and prototyping boards with U-blox ZED-F9P

2019-07-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I'm using the olimex board. Works fine. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

[time-nuts] It is possible to "recharge" a hydrogen maser?

2019-07-23 Thread cdelect
Luiz, Found some more info on replenishing the Hydrogen in the Kvarz CH1-76 and CH1-75. Anders had the procedure pretty close for a fully charged canister from the vendor. However recharging the original is a bit more challenging! Use care and protective gear from the high and low temperatures

[time-nuts] Hobbyist and prototyping boards with U-blox ZED-F9P

2019-07-23 Thread John Sloan
Folks: I’ve been doing a lot of SW work using the U-blox ZED-F9P chip over the past few months. Being a SW guy, I try to minimize the amount of breadboarding and HW integration I have to do. For several months most of my work has been using the SimpleRTK2B board from Ardusimple in Barcelona

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread djl
Just visited site. 3million hits on 10811 manuals. We're that many made:-)? On 2019-07-23 05:01, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Rick wrote: Basically, no counter that we ever made AFAIK had any provision for EFC. The later HP5328 "oscillator helper" boards have EFC pots for fine tuning the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
The military contracts were very important for the counter product line. I suspect that the EFC feature was required in order to bid. The way things worked at HP, special features for the military were basically walled off from the civilian market. The project manager for the 5335A worked in

[time-nuts] Is the lifetime of a Rb standard dependent on operating orientations

2019-07-23 Thread cdelect
Hi, At operating temperature the lamp, filter cell (if used) and the resonance cell only have gaseous Rubidium in them. Only exception is early designs that have a "stem" on the resonance cell that exits the cavity. There is a small amount of liquid Rubidium in the stem and in the 5065A a

Re: [time-nuts] Is the lifetime of a Rb standard dependent on operating orientations/

2019-07-23 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Surface tension keeps the liquid Rb in place in the short term. In the long term, the Rb has to be designed to have place where the Rb was concentrated to be at the lowest temperature. In the HP10816, this place was the "tip-off" for the cell. We tried to heat sink the tip-off to cool it off.

[time-nuts] Is the lifetime of a Rb standard dependent on operating orientations/

2019-07-23 Thread Dana Whitlow
It seems to me that the basic operation of the Rb cell and/or the filter cell and lamp must all involve the presence of some liquid Rb at normal operating temperatures. Otherwise, temperature regulation would not be a viable means of controlling the Rb concentration on the vapor mix. If I'm

Re: [time-nuts] Noob question, NTP stratum 1.

2019-07-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi One of the gotcha’s with “cell phone” based timing is discovering that the provider has been a bit lax about making sure the time stamp on the signal is what it should be. The problem is less common with 800 MHz CDMA than other bands / services. One of the reasons we see a lot of this sort

Re: [time-nuts] Most popular NMEA sentence with date and time?

2019-07-23 Thread David Van Horn via time-nuts
We aren't going that time-nutty, but it's a fun project and running it from GPS sounded like fun. Thanks all, I have what I need. -- David VanHorn Lead Hardware Engineer Backcountry Access, Inc. 2820 Wilderness Pl, Unit H Boulder, CO  80301 USA phone: 303-417-1345  x110 email: 

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Rick wrote: Basically, no counter that we ever made AFAIK had any provision for EFC. The later HP5328 "oscillator helper" boards have EFC pots for fine tuning the timebase frequency. This includes the US military versions that are so prevalent in the US. I have schematics showing this

Re: [time-nuts] Most popular NMEA sentence with date and time?

2019-07-23 Thread Jim Harman
With a multiplexed display you should be able to do it all with one processor. On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 4:42 PM Jim Harman wrote: > Correction: RMC has date also later in the sentence. > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 4:38 PM Jim Harman wrote: > >> RMC is very common but gives time only. >> ZDA gives

Re: [time-nuts] Noob question, NTP stratum 1.

2019-07-23 Thread Achim Gratz
Achim Gratz writes: > The thing to note is that you need to boot with "nohz=off", Tom was asking what that kernel parameter meant and does. UNIX used to have a fixed frequency interrupt called TICK that would do its thing HZ times per second (typically HZ=100, but later on HZ=1000 on some

Re: [time-nuts] Noob question, NTP stratum 1.

2019-07-23 Thread Achim Gratz
wildylion via time-nuts writes: > The point is: do we ever need S1 NTPs? I think, this could be a nice > addition if properly realized, but right now I'm not sure if I can > propose it. You really can't properly monitor any stratum-2 sources you have configured if you don't have your own

Re: [time-nuts] Noob question, NTP stratum 1.

2019-07-23 Thread Steven Sommars
US operators are planning to shut down their CDMA networks. See for example https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/verizon-to-shut-down-2g-cdma-1x-network-by-end-2019 I wouldn't be surprised to see this date get pushed back though. On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:05 PM K5ROE Mike wrote: > You