Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz dist amps

2019-10-23 Thread Tom Knox
Hi All; Thanks for all the insight. Cheers; Tom Knox 303-554-0307 act...@hotmail.com "Peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of Justice" Both MLK and Albert Einstein From: time-nuts on behalf of John Ackermann N8UR Sent: Wednesday, October

Re: [time-nuts] HP5071A with bad tube.... can I get one used?

2019-10-23 Thread Tom Van Baak
Taka, The chance of finding a cheap, used, working, replacement tube is rather small. But... 1) One approach is keep looking for another 5071A that's not working and selling cheap and hope very much that it's just the electronics that's bad and the tube is still good. Then you can create

[time-nuts] HP 5065A owners, a question!

2019-10-23 Thread Skip Withrow
Hello Corby, I keep my HP5065A powered on 24/7 with UPS backup. Like John, I compare it once or twice a year (to a Thunderbolt running Lady Heather) and adjust accordingly. I have modified the C-field adjustment for higher resolution, original (coarse) control is now under the hood and the fine

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz dist amps

2019-10-23 Thread Anders Wallin
FWIW some measurements: http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/2015-12-17_fda_test_pn.png and http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/fda_2016-09-12_PN.png and https://www.febo.com/pages/amplifier_phase_noise/ my ohwr-design uses better op-amps, giving slightly

[time-nuts] HP5071A with bad tube.... can I get one used?

2019-10-23 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
I have an HP5071A with a high performance option that does not work.  All of my tests indicate the faulty component is a tube itself.  Buying a new tube is way out of my budget.  I am now torn between parting it out and see what I can use and keeping it intact with hope something might pop up. 

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A owners, a question!

2019-10-23 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
Hi Corby, I very new to this list and have been monitoring it for the last 6 months. I was interested in doing some time dilation experiments with some Cs, but had to become a little hesitant when I discovered the price of them. My initial review of the Cs caused me to conclude there were not

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz dist amps

2019-10-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thanks, Bruce. That's pretty much it -- while the layout/lack of shielded enclosure might have a bit to do with it, the opamps used (MAX477) aren't super-duper low noise at the floor. The AD8055 we've used in the lasts few batches since the MAX477 went unobtainium seems to be a little quieter.

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A owners, a question!

2019-10-23 Thread rfnuts
Corby, I keep my No. 1 running all the time. Should be about 6 years since I installed the optical filter. Adrian Am 23.10.2019 um 17:34 schrieb cdel...@juno.com: Hi, How many of you leave your 5065A on all the time? Approximately how many years have you had it running without major

[time-nuts] HP 5065a owners, a question

2019-10-23 Thread Ralph Devoe
I have two 5065a's , both running continuously, one since Jan 2017 and once since Mar 2018. One or the other is monitored every 25 sec by comparison to a 5071a. I've had no trouble with either one. After a few months, the ageing rate is so low its hard to measure, although there are environmental

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A owners, a question!

2019-10-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If I’m doing stuff, they both are powered up. I run a GPSDO as the local standard so that is what runs 24/7/365. In a normal year, they are powered up about 50% of the year. Bob > On Oct 23, 2019, at 11:34 AM, wrote: > > Hi, > > How many of you leave your 5065A on all the time? > >

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz dist amps

2019-10-23 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Its measured noise floor is consistent with that expected from the noise specifications for the opamps employed. Bruce > On 24 October 2019 at 08:46 Tom Knox wrote: > > > Hi John; > Amazing product, I did not realize you could use the TADD-1 for 100MHz > distribution. > I do have a

Re: [time-nuts] Do ordinary clouds adversely affect GPS reception?

2019-10-23 Thread MLewis
uBlox M8T & antenna behind two panes of glass skyview is a 170 degree sweep centred 30 degrees east of south I regularly see attenuation with overcast clouds, but only with some overcast clouds. It's not consistent enough to be able to say which types. The attenuation can be as much as 10 dBc,

Re: [time-nuts] Do ordinary clouds adversely affect GPS reception?

2019-10-23 Thread Dana Whitlow
As far as I know, my friend's GPS dropout problems have been associated with simple clouds with no rain (at least no rain reaching the surface). Dana On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:00 PM Tim Shoppa wrote: > I don't think clouds is the direct cause, but of course clouds in the sky > can be

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz dist amps

2019-10-23 Thread Tom Knox
Hi John; Amazing product, I did not realize you could use the TADD-1 for 100MHz distribution. I do have a question, as someone who has tested most of the commercially available distribution amps on the market TADD-1's -140dB @ 1Hz is among the very very best best in the industry, (nothing is

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost data recording for FA2

2019-10-23 Thread shouldbe q931
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:04 PM ew via time-nuts wrote: > > From Juerg Koegel > > 4$ Openlog > 6$ Micro SD Card > 1 hour work > Bert Kehren___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to >

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO+PC as a NTP server

2019-10-23 Thread Fiorenzo Cattaneo
I also have a BG7TBL, version 2019-03-25, and I use it with a small embedded X64_64 pcengines box with a dedicated mPCI RS232 receiver. See picture attached, the PCENGINES box is the black box below the GPSDO. > > 1. The GPS chip onboard can be set via RS232C, for instance by u-center > program.

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A owners, a question!

2019-10-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Corby -- I normally keep the 5065A running all the time -- it's usually set up as the "house standard" and I tweak the frequency against Cs every few months. You know more about its service history than I do. :-) When it was working, I usually kept the 5061A running full time as local time

Re: [time-nuts] Do ordinary clouds adversely affect GPS reception?

2019-10-23 Thread Tim Shoppa
I don't think clouds is the direct cause, but of course clouds in the sky can be correlated with wet foliage. Especially if the GPS Field Of View has a lot of angle taken up by tree canopy, wet foliage can substantially degrade not just GPS reception but other VHF and UHF signals. I notice this

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO+PC as a NTP server

2019-10-23 Thread Hal Murray
akumisz...@gmail.com said: > 2. I would like to get both NMEA and PPS signal from it on the NTP server. > Currently PPS is on pin 8 (CTS) but according to http://doc.ntp.org/4.1.1/ > driver22.htm and https://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/NTP-on-Windows-serial-port.html > it should rather be on pin 1

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz dist amps

2019-10-23 Thread John Ackermann. N8UR
FWIW, I designed the TADD-1 to have equal length signal paths for all six channels. 73, John On Oct 23, 2019, 1:01 PM, at 1:01 PM, "Bill Dailey, MD, MSEng, MSMI" wrote: >I am working in a project that requires me to have very similarly >phased >10mhz references (beamforming). > >Previously I

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz dist amps

2019-10-23 Thread Dana Whitlow
If you're doing beam forming, the "one amp driving multiple loads" approach is probably going to do the best and most stable job of getting what you need. And all your loads should be identical, not some mix of different makes/models. But you will need to find an amplifier that can deliver the

Re: [time-nuts] Do ordinary clouds adversely affect GPS reception?

2019-10-23 Thread Dana Whitlow
Andy, Isn't DirecTV downlinking around 12 GHz? Yet GPS L1 is at only ~1575 MHz. That's a huge difference with regard to scattering losses, and probably a fair amount of difference for water absorption losses as well. I've recommended that my old friend try putting his GPS antenna up in the

Re: [time-nuts] Question for my new GPSDO

2019-10-23 Thread Achim Gratz
Tobias Pluess writes: > Assume a timer is clocked with the 10MHz clock. The timer overflows > when it reaches 999 (=10e6-1). Further, this timer is used to > generate the 1PPS pulse output: each time when the timer reaches the > value of 0, a pulse is generated on one of the output pins. Since

Re: [time-nuts] Do ordinary clouds adversely affect GPS reception?

2019-10-23 Thread Andy
Having had DirecTV on the roof for a few years, and having experienced regular significant signal loss events during heavy rain and snow (loss of reception was a rather good predictor that "the skies were about to open up" with rain), I can confirm that signal strength deteriorates noticeably

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A owners, a question!

2019-10-23 Thread paul swed
Corby I do not run the 5061's or 5065 all the time. Only for checks and pump downs. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:10 PM wrote: > Hi, > > How many of you leave your 5065A on all the time? > > Approximately how many years have you had it running without major > maintenance? > >

[time-nuts] 10MHz dist amps

2019-10-23 Thread Bill Dailey, MD, MSEng, MSMI
I am working in a project that requires me to have very similarly phased 10mhz references (beamforming). Previously I just used splitters for 10MHz but now I am graduating to a distribution amplifier. Looking for suggestions/recommendations and what I should consider. Distributing a Fury or a

Re: [time-nuts] "Deaf" receivers ?

2019-10-23 Thread shouldbe q931
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:20 AM Martin Burnicki wrote: > > shouldbe q931 wrote: > > I recently acquired a pair of Meinberg M600's (with GPS-CON downconverters). > > Just a summary of what it's for: > > Most Meinberg GPS receivers expect an input signal that has been > down-converted from the

Re: [time-nuts] Using commercial video amplifier for 10MHz clock distribution.

2019-10-23 Thread tim...@timeok.it
Charles wrote: >Well, there is a distinct difference between DAs that use a single amplifier (discrete or integrated) to drive each output channel (as your design does), and DAs that drive multiple outputs from each amplifier using build-out resistors. In the case of the Extron

[time-nuts] HP 5065A owners, a question!

2019-10-23 Thread cdelect
Hi, How many of you leave your 5065A on all the time? Approximately how many years have you had it running without major maintenance? My current "gold standard" 5065A has been running for over 5 years. Cheers! Corby ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Question for my new GPSDO

2019-10-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi You (sort of) have run into two problems: 1) The GPSDO takes forever and ever to lock ( = the gain is to low / the time constant it to long) 2) The GPSDO has to much jitter ( = the gain is to high / the time constant is to short) Obviously, you can’t solve both of these problems by

[time-nuts] HP 5371A - Basic Howtos

2019-10-23 Thread Giorgio Barinetti
Hi all. I've been given a 5371A that i'll like to use to mesaure Allen Variation and plot results with TimeLab. Can somebody be so kind to give me some hints on how to do that ? (instrument setup etc) Regards, Giorgio. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

[time-nuts] GPSDO+PC as a NTP server

2019-10-23 Thread Adam Kumiszcza
Hi! I just bought my first GPSDO (BG7TBL dated 2019-08-03 with Trimble 73090 and u-blox 7 series GPS chip – more info here: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/bg7tbl-gpsdo-master-reference/msg2749310/#msg2749310). I intend to connect it to a PC and use it as NTP and maybe PTP server, and

Re: [time-nuts] Question for my new GPSDO

2019-10-23 Thread Tobias Pluess
Hi colleagues thanks to your inputs I could design the EFC circuit for my new GPSDO and I think its quite clear how that will work. So in the past days, I spent my spare time on thinking about the control algorithm. I used FLL previously, which gave unsatisfactory results, so I think PLL is

Re: [time-nuts] Using commercial video amplifier for 10MHz clock distribution.

2019-10-23 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Luciano wrote: The Extron is a very nice solution, certainly of modest price, but we must consider * * * the low separation between the output channels. Well, there is a distinct difference between DAs that use a single amplifier (discrete or integrated) to drive each output

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-23 Thread Fiorenzo Cattaneo
Achim, thank you for your graph and for the link to Dan Drown blog and your suggestions. I am going to collect data and replicate his research. I doubt I'll discover anything new, but it's interesting nevertheless to look into these time series data. -- Fio Cattaneo Universal AC, can Entropy be

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-23 Thread Hal Murray
> My understanding is that it would work moderately well even without a > stratum-1 server, at least be able to operate within a few tens of > milliseconds for several hours. Although I confess I haven't used peering in > a very long time. In my workplace we added stratum-1 GPS symmetricom NTP >

Re: [time-nuts] "Deaf" receivers ?

2019-10-23 Thread Martin Burnicki
shouldbe q931 wrote: > I recently acquired a pair of Meinberg M600's (with GPS-CON downconverters). Just a summary of what it's for: Most Meinberg GPS receivers expect an input signal that has been down-converted from the original L1 frequency. The appropriate Meinberg antennae have a built-in

Re: [time-nuts] Mac OS and iOS leap second handling

2019-10-23 Thread Hal Murray
e...@scace.org said: > proper display of 23:59:60, etc on the system clock & return of same to > appropriate function calls. I doubt if you will find that on any system with a Unix/POSIX background. 86400 seconds per day is just wired in too deeply to change. >(In contrast, Microsoft

Re: [time-nuts] Mac OS and iOS leap second handling

2019-10-23 Thread Tom Van Baak
Eric, You might want to try this thread over on the LEAPSECS list [1]. Yes, there's a special list just for leap second nuts so that we don't have to discuss them here on time-nuts. You'll find the archives deep, fascinating, and often contentious. Practical real life examples like your