[time-nuts] NIST NTP servers way off for anyone else?

I'm not sure if anyone else uses the NIST's NTP servers, but I've noticed that the offsets I'm getting from Gaithersburg servers seem to be really far off, like 40-50 ms off. This is pretty odd since they usually have a 2 - 3 ms accuracy at worst. It is interesting to think about what is going on

[time-nuts] NIST Technical Note 2187 - A Resilient Architecture for the Realization and Distribution of Coordinated Universal Time to Critical Infrastructure Systems in the United States

Fellow time-nuts, NIST just published the technical note 2187 that probably some of you might find interesting. It's for free download here: https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/TechnicalNotes/NIST.TN.2187.pdf I think you will find quite a bit of interesting material in there. Just recall

[time-nuts] NIST trivia

As time nuts we all know about NIST Time and Frequency work. NIST is involved in the investigation of what happened in the tragic collapse of a High Rise in Miami Surf Side.                                                                                  Bert Kehren

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

Here is a write up from when I attended the NIST Time & Frequency Seminar last year (2018). Coincidentally, I had just had a tour of the NIST T facilities a month or two before as part of another event. In the spirit of full disclosure: I’m an embedded software developer who routinely deals with

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 23:06:36 -0800 "Tom Van Baak" wrote: > > Mother of God, John, what makes this meeting worth the price? > > Yes, it sounds high but perhaps not out of line for multi-day professional > conferences / seminars these days. True, you have to factor in Denver flights > and

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

Hi Over the course of decades, we sent a lot of people to this workshop. It was typical to have a new engineer head out to it after a year or so on the job. I don’t remember any of them coming back saying that they had found it all way past their ability to comprehend. Compared to doing the

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

I'm actually debating on whether to attend this or not. I really need to understand a lot of the things related to time and Frequency better, and it looks like this covers pretty much all of the bases. The price, although high, isn't out of the range of expectations for this type of workshop.

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

Hi, On 2019-02-16 18:06, jimlux wrote: On 2/15/19 11:06 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: https://www.nist.gov/news-events/events/2019/06/2019-nist-time-and-frequency-seminar Mother of God, John, what makes this meeting worth the price? Hi Bill, Yes, it sounds high but perhaps not out of line for

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

If you are interested in checking out Boulder while you are there, two hotels to look at are the Boulderado at 13th and Spruce, and the Broker Inn, which is now apparently owned by Rodeway, on 30th St. Staying at the Boulderado affords close access to the Pearl St. Mall, an old open-air mall

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

On 2/15/19 11:06 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: https://www.nist.gov/news-events/events/2019/06/2019-nist-time-and-frequency-seminar Mother of God, John, what makes this meeting worth the price? Hi Bill, Yes, it sounds high but perhaps not out of line for multi-day professional conferences /

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

>> https://www.nist.gov/news-events/events/2019/06/2019-nist-time-and-frequency-seminar > > Mother of God, John, what makes this meeting worth the price? Hi Bill, Yes, it sounds high but perhaps not out of line for multi-day professional conferences / seminars these days. True, you have to

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

On 2/15/19 3:33 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: Jim, ... Please register by June 4, 2019 to ensure your spot at this event. The registration fee is $1,900. Thanks for the heads up. Best Regards, John W. It *is* a bit pricey - - I didn't see if there's a time-nuts promo code. IEEE

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

Mother of God, John, what makes this meeting worth the price? On Friday, February 15, 2019, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. < j...@westmorelandengineering.com> wrote: > Jim, > ... > Please register by June 4, 2019 to ensure your spot at this event. The > registration fee is $1,900. > > Thanks for

Re: [time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

Jim, ... Please register by June 4, 2019 to ensure your spot at this event. The registration fee is $1,900. Thanks for the heads up. Best Regards, John W. On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 3:00 PM jimlux wrote: > > https://www.nist.gov/news-events/events/2019/06/2019-nist-time-and-frequency-seminar >

[time-nuts] NIST time and frequency seminar - 11-14 June in Boulder, CO

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[time-nuts] NIST Time and Frequency Publication Database

Fellow time-nuts, I just wanted to remind you about the wonderful resource that the NIST Time and Frequency Publication Database is. It's a good way to find lots of good articles. https://tf.nist.gov/general/publications.htm Once you find an article, search on the writes names to find more good

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Mark, That would be most useful and free folks from a few of the proprietary satellite tracker programs. One could write a 'shim' to consume the output from a tcp/udp (or serial) port and convert to the proper format for a chosen polar or az/el rotor. Bob On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 2:00 PM Mark

[time-nuts] NIST

I recently added a feature to Lady Heather that can output the sun and moon positions to a port. This was for use by solar trackers and moon bounce antennas. It would be easy to modify that code to output the position of a satellite (or all satellites) if you wanted to keep an antenna

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi > On Sep 1, 2018, at 3:06 AM, Magnus Danielson > wrote: > > > > On 08/31/2018 03:36 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: >> Hi >> >> “Backbone timing” gets done by boxes buried deep in systems. Those systems >> take years >> to design. The boxes that go in them similarly take years to get onto the >>

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Am 31.08.2018 um 20:17 schrieb Hal Murray: att...@kinali.ch said: I have somewhere a paper (which i cannot find currently, sorry) that used a dish trained at one of the EGNOS satellites and used it as the only source for timing. IIRC the results were promising, but not spectacular. The

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi Hal, On 08/31/2018 08:17 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > att...@kinali.ch said: >> I have somewhere a paper (which i cannot find currently, sorry) that used a >> dish trained at one of the EGNOS satellites and used it as the only source >> for timing. IIRC the results were promising, but not

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

On 08/31/2018 03:36 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > “Backbone timing” gets done by boxes buried deep in systems. Those systems > take years > to design. The boxes that go in them similarly take years to get onto the > market. Once designed > deployment is far from instantaneous. Operators are

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi, On 08/31/2018 12:18 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message <96e995c4-5ca2-af02-9738-0a6d87a9f...@pacific.net>, Brooke Clarke > writes: > >> But it's extremely hard to make a jammer for WWVB (60 kHz) [...] > > You can do it city-scale with a 18-wheeler sized loop-antenna > and

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

On 08/30/2018 11:20 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: > Hi Bob: > > I would disagree in that ease of jamming/spoofing is strongly related to > wavelength.  That's because antenna efficiency goes down as the size of > the antenna gets smaller than 1/4 wave. > So, it's easy to make a GPS jammer (1,100 to

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

pla...@gmail.com said: > Which satellites? Most are here: https://celestrak.com Tracking programs > are abundant. I was thinking of geo-sync, but if position info is widely available then I guess I should be interested in any satellites that provide good time. (maybe an are likely to

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Thanks. > perigee height: 35772 km > apogee height:35800 km If I did the math right, that's 89 microseconds. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

[time-nuts] NIST

A GPS receiver that supports SBAS, etc will tell you where the sats are. Some only report to 1 degree, others 0.1 to 0.01 degrees resolution. The beam with of a small dish at GPS freqs is not all that narrow. Using orbital elements or processing the GNSS ephemeris message will give you a

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

On 8/31/18 11:17 AM, Hal Murray wrote: att...@kinali.ch said: I have somewhere a paper (which i cannot find currently, sorry) that used a dish trained at one of the EGNOS satellites and used it as the only source for timing. IIRC the results were promising, but not spectacular. The problem

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att...@kinali.ch said: > I have somewhere a paper (which i cannot find currently, sorry) that used a > dish trained at one of the EGNOS satellites and used it as the only source > for timing. IIRC the results were promising, but not spectacular. The problem > being that all the ionospheric and

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

On 8/31/18 10:31 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Azelio: Thanks for the link. It's interesting that their setup (a Ku band satellite TV antenna and a standard GPS timing antenna) worked as well as it did with reversed polarity.  Does anyone know of a source of reverse polarity GPS antennas and a

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi Azelio: Thanks for the link. It's interesting that their setup (a Ku band satellite TV antenna and a standard GPS timing antenna) worked as well as it did with reversed polarity.  Does anyone know of a source of reverse polarity GPS antennas and a GPS timing receiver that also processes

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi It’s back in the FCS archives. I don’t think it’s one of the ones you can hit without going through a paywall. It was a fun paper to attend. The chatter in the room was “interesting” to say the least. Bob > On Aug 31, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: > > Hi Bob: > > Do you have

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi Bob: Do you have and info on that article that would allow me to read it? -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke https://www.PRC68.com https://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html axioms: 1. The extent to which you can fix or improve something will be limited by how well you understand how it

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Maybe this one is equivalent? On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 4:55 PM Attila Kinali wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 18:54:17 -0700 > Brooke Clarke wrote: > > > I wonder if anyone has tried using a small parabolic dish, like used for > > Free To

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 18:54:17 -0700 Brooke Clarke wrote: > I wonder if anyone has tried using a small parabolic dish, like used for Free > To Air satellite TV and aimed it at a GPS > satellite track or at a WAAS geostationary satellite using a feed antenna > with reverse polarization from a

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi “Backbone timing” gets done by boxes buried deep in systems. Those systems take years to design. The boxes that go in them similarly take years to get onto the market. Once designed deployment is far from instantaneous. Operators are always pressed by cost constraints. Adding anything

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 12:59 PM Bob kb8tq wrote: > There most certainly was a lot of “stuff” in orbit by that time. If there was > a mass die off of satellites, you would not have to look hard to find out > about > it. Probably not as many as there are 3 decades later, but of course.

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Hi The original “we cracked GPS” paper back in the 1980’s (that unlimitedly lead to the end of SA) used a medium sized dish ( think of the good old C-band antennas) to pick out a single sat. Bob > On Aug 30, 2018, at 9:54 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: > > Hi Gregory: > > I wonder if anyone has

[time-nuts] NIST

I once bought a pair of low power 315 MHz TX/RX modules and was going to try them in a model rocket + GPS. I tested them with a serial port and they had a range of a couple thousand feet at 1200 BPS. But when the transmitter was connected to the GPS, the GPS lost lock... turns out 315 MHz *

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Hi Gregory: I wonder if anyone has tried using a small parabolic dish, like used for Free To Air satellite TV and aimed it at a GPS satellite track or at a WAAS geostationary satellite using a feed antenna with reverse polarization from a normal GPS antenna? http://www.prc68.com/I/FTA.shtml

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi ….. ok, so you are dealing with city wide jammers that take out all of New York City on a daily basis? Again, that was the original example tossed out. “A cigarette pack sized jammer that takes out an entire city”. A jammer with that sort of range is an easy jammer to spot. Somehow I

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Just ask the NY Port authority how ‘easy’ knocking these jammers offline is. Usually done by vehicle to vehicle inspection with a SA. And yes the day job all too frequently searching for and identifying interference sources. One of the more interesting ones was a halogen leak detector wiping

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi Since timing receivers are actually going to prefer high angle sats, an antenna that rejects close to the horizon is a pretty common thing. Enhancing that sort of rejection doesn’t take a lot of effort. Bob > On Aug 30, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2018

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi Actually it’s pretty simple to track down that sort of jammer ….. and yes, the gear to do it is out there in quantity. Bob > On Aug 30, 2018, at 6:51 PM, Scott McGrath wrote: > > As Brooke notes while low frequency jammers are possible, practicality is > another matter, All it takes

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Before retiring I did some field work on the Tomahawk AGR (https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/gps_anti-jam) Wes  N7WS  On 8/30/2018 4:05 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: However, the short wavelengths of GPS make beam forming a reasonable countermeasure against jamming.

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Is there a translation of this anywhere? Don Sweden were much more serious about it: http://www.antus.org/RT02.html Tl;drs: They erected 9 200m tall Loran-C class antennas each driven by a Loran-C transmitter with an advanced degree which could jam Loran-C or Chayka. They even

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 9:43 PM Brooke Clarke wrote: > I would disagree in that ease of jamming/spoofing is strongly related to > wavelength. That's because antenna efficiency > goes down as the size of the antenna gets smaller than 1/4 wave. > So, it's easy to make a GPS jammer (1,100 to

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

As Brooke notes while low frequency jammers are possible, practicality is another matter, All it takes to jam a city scale area is a box the size of a pack of cigarettes.Because the GPS signal is very, very weak. As an intentional denial put a couple hundred on stray animals.Now track

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi Well, designing jammers on a public forum is an “interesting” thing to do….. With WWVB, you are fine with a “near field” solution. You don’t need something that propagates for miles and miles. The other thing you have in your favor is that coming up with a KW at 60 KHz is quite easy. All

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi Bob: I would disagree in that ease of jamming/spoofing is strongly related to wavelength.  That's because antenna efficiency goes down as the size of the antenna gets smaller than 1/4 wave. So, it's easy to make a GPS jammer (1,100 to 1,600MHz) since a 1/4 wavelength is a few inches,

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi When infastructure GPS *does* get jammed these days that source gets tracked down a lot faster than a month or so. Anything that goes on for more than a day gets booted up pretty high pretty fast. Indeed I’ve been in the middle of that more than I would have wished to be ….. The same sort

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

The port of Long Beach CA was jammed wrt GPS for several months by a malfunctioning 29.95 TV preamplifier on a boat. GPS was completely unusable when this unsuspecting guy was watching TV on his boat. He had quite the surprise when the coasties with guns showed up. The fact is civillian GPS

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi > On Aug 30, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Peter Laws wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 8:52 AM Peter Laws wrote: > > >> I have yet to hear anyone make a case for retaining the HF system that >> isn't backed by nostalgia. > > Still looking for this. Most of the "OMG IF WWV GOES AWAY MILLIONS >

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 8:52 AM Peter Laws wrote: > I have yet to hear anyone make a case for retaining the HF system that > isn't backed by nostalgia. Still looking for this. Most of the "OMG IF WWV GOES AWAY MILLIONS WILL DIE" posts (elsewhere, not here ... quite ...) are the type of

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

WRT my sextant comment, How many pilots or sailors can navigate by ‘shooting the sun/stars’. They have become dependent on precision navigation systems. Which of course feeds the thinking by empty suits why do we need lighthouses, buoys, VOR’s and airway beacons because we have the ‘god

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

On 8/13/18 6:10 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi Ok, this is Time Nuts. We probably have a pretty good sample of those who use this and that as a source of time. We also are reasonably conscious about what we are doing. NIST’s claimed reason for running WWV (and WWVH) is to distribute accurate time

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

I'll just add: I got into time nuts after I acquired a GPSDO for checking the frequency accuracy of my amateur radios. I realized I needed a GPSDO when I couldn't figure out if I was seeing drift in my radios frequency standards or Doppler shift from WWV transmissions while using WWV as a

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi Ok, this is Time Nuts. We probably have a pretty good sample of those who use this and that as a source of time. We also are reasonably conscious about what we are doing. NIST’s claimed reason for running WWV (and WWVH) is to distribute accurate time and frequency. Would / does anybody on

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hello to the group. The Chronverter is now available again. US $37. Its from unusual electronics as was mentioned earlier in the thread. No matter how 2019 actually goes its a good way to keep the wwvb clocks going. Saves me from having to create the same thing. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Aug

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

On 8/12/18 8:40 AM, Craig Kirkpatrick wrote: I agree with Bob that shutting down WWVB would not go over well with the voters but losing WWV and WWVH will mainly be noticed only by HAMs. WWV/WWVH also provides HF propagation forecasts, severe weather warnings for mariners, etc., as well as

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Hi > On Aug 13, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Dana Whitlow wrote: > > Note to all; > > Be cautious about getting time of day from consumer GPS products. All that > I have encountered > (so far) exhibit T.O.D. errors up to a few tenths of a second, and the > error is not repeatable from > session to

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Note to all; Be cautious about getting time of day from consumer GPS products. All that I have encountered (so far) exhibit T.O.D. errors up to a few tenths of a second, and the error is not repeatable from session to session. Some do have PPS outputs, which are typically claimed to provide

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

I'm trying hard to think of routine users of WWV / WWVH other than amateur radio operators, time nuts, and the occasional academic / scientific study that uses the transmitters as a signal source. Perhaps some boaters still use the time signals to set their chronometers, but WWV /WWVH

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

> Le 13 août 2018 à 11:09, Dana Whitlow a écrit : > > Craig, > > The original main reason for WWVB had nothing to do with syncing our > "atomic" > wristwatches and clocks. It was for keeping local frequency standards > honest, for > which continuous coverage throughout the day and night was

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Craig, The original main reason for WWVB had nothing to do with syncing our "atomic" wristwatches and clocks. It was for keeping local frequency standards honest, for which continuous coverage throughout the day and night was desirable (if not always achievable). But for that application, a

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

From: Craig Kirkpatrick I do like the idea of a GPS to WWVB timecode radio transmitter. I think that would sell well to folks on the fringe of coverage for WWVB such as Florida, Hawaii, and Alaska or other parts of the globe. I’ve found the real limitation to reception of WWVB is local

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

From: time-nuts on behalf of paul swed Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 1:47 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NIST Well if the old LF and HF signals go away I am on for yet another wwvb project and wwv. What the heck. Creating

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I hope that defunding is just a ploy and things will remain on the air. I am concerned this is starting to sound like 2010 when DHS/USCG took eLoran off the air in the states. This was one of the few things that totally dismayed me about the Obama administration. On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 2:59 PM

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I agree with Bob that shutting down WWVB would not go over well with the voters but losing WWV and WWVH will mainly be noticed only by HAMs. Dana, I’m puzzled by what you wrote. I have 8 clocks and 2 wristwatches that sync with WWVB. When band conditions are poor they miss a sync for a day

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mistaken or is WWV the reference for all things dealing with the "time service"? Don Resor -Original Message- From: time-nuts On Behalf Of Dana Whitlow Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 7:49 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NI

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Well if the old LF and HF signals go away I am on for yet another wwvb project and wwv. What the heck. Creating a AM wwvb is really pretty easy and in fact I have done that. Can't remember what code that was. Pretty sure it was basic on SXb2. But the good news is the old BPSK code isn't needed so

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Yep, just like "government shutdowns" where all non-essential people stay home. (I always wondered why, it they are non-essential they are on the payroll in the first place, but what do I know, I'm just a taxpayer.)  But what gets shut down first are things like National Parks, which have

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Just a word: When budget cuts are announced, the agencies put the most valued "stuff" to be cut first, such as the Washington monument, etc. This is a recognized ploy. When the dust settles, all may be well. . . Don On 2018-08-12 12:20, paul swed wrote: Like all of you I have a few wwvb

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

I fear the worst. The line in the website simply stated something like "shutting down the transmitters in Colorado and Hawaii", which would seem to include the whole enchilada. For the wall clocks, GPS should work well if people are willing to go to battery- backed AC power. But not so good for

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

With any luck, the current administration will successfully push the USA down technically.  Denying global warming, shutting off time signals, and so on, is great stuff. On Saturday, August 11, 2018, 6:10:12 PM PDT, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi One would *guess* that stopping WWVB (and

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

> I wonder if anybody will market a GPS-to-WWVB translator? > Dana You can find lots of these projects on the web: in the time-nuts archives, eevblog, hackaday, or sometimes completed multi-band kits (WWVB / DCF77 / JJY) on eBay. Search for a couple of words like signal wwvb simulator

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Andy Backus, Would love to see your microwatt transmitter design, per chance have you posted it anywhere. cheers, bammi ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

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antum-science-and > > > > > > > > One item: "-$6.3 million supporting fundamental measurement > > > dissemination, > > > > including the shutdown of NIST radio stations in Colorado and Hawaii" > > > > > > > >

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transmitter as a "translator" elsewhere in the > > house. > > > > > > Andy Backus > > > > > > > > From: time-nuts on behalf of Dana > > Whitlow > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:34 PM > &g

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iday, August 10, 2018 1:34 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NIST > > I wonder if anybody will market a GPS-to-WWVB translator? > > Dana > > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Robert LaJeunesse > wrote: > >

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

: [time-nuts] NIST Bert, The closes I come is this, burried in the line of Funamental Measurements: https://www.nist.gov/fy-2019-presidential-budget-request-summary/budget-tables It doesn't get more detailed than that. The T work is relatively small group in the big NIST. Cheers, Magnus On 08

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ation, including the shutdown of NIST radio stations in Colorado and Hawaii" Looks like some of your friends might be looking for work. Not good. Bob L. > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 at 3:11 PM > From: "Magnus Danielson" > To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com > Cc: mag...@rubidium.se

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

Bert, The closes I come is this, burried in the line of Funamental Measurements: https://www.nist.gov/fy-2019-presidential-budget-request-summary/budget-tables It doesn't get more detailed than that. The T work is relatively small group in the big NIST. Cheers, Magnus On 08/10/2018 08:29 PM,

[time-nuts] NIST

  NIST total budget for 2017 was close to 965 Million, I was curios trying to find out what the Time and Frequency Division  portion was. No Luck. Does any one know?Thanks   Bert Kehren ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To

[time-nuts] NIST Tour and Time & Frequency Seminar

This summer, somewhat coincidentally, I got to take a tour of some of the NIST Time and Frequency Division, rode my motorcycle up to Fort Collins to see the WWVB antennas, and attended the NIST 43rd Annual Time & Frequency Seminar. I wrote a couple of blog articles with my notes and