Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-23 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Chris: Yes. Just looked on eBay and in under a minute found Item 231877388026. 11.1 V 6.6 AH with a label rate of 75C, but the eBay ad says 75C-150C. So it will produce between 495 and 990 Amps. The stock connector is the EC5, which is needed for this kind of current. It's the connector

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-23 Thread Chris Albertson
You are correct about 9V batteries. A 10A short is about 90 Watts. But have you seen the specs on a LiPo Battery? I have a 18 volt nominal 8,000 mAH LiPo battery that is rated "40C". This battery is safe and within design limits to discharge at 40 x 8,000 mA. Yes, taking 320 amps out of the

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Bill Byrom
Since I have met Charles in person a couple of times at his office in Austin and used their microwave multiplied golden low phase noise oscillators for a project and recommended Wenzel to others, I admit my bias in favor of his projects. I was going to comment earlier in this thread about the

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: The 45 Amp terminals come in two versions, one being " Hi Détente" p/n: 201G1H that is much stronger although I've never had a pull apart problem. -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html Original Message Wes,

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Chris Albertson
Get the "real ones" not the knock-off clones. Better plastic and better precision molding. There are lots of cheap ones on eBay. HobbyKing has the best prices for authentic, higher quality ones. Still only 80 cents. On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Brent wrote: >

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
For what it's worth, I use PowerPoles extensively -- I use them for all my 12V distribution on ham gear as well as time-nuts stuff. One great advantage of the genderless design is that you can use extension cables, breakout boxes, and other tools to solve lots of problems. But they do lack

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread jimlux
On 6/22/17 7:37 AM, Chris Caudle wrote: On Thu, June 22, 2017 7:40 am, Mike Seguin wrote: For anything critical, I use these connector from the professional sound industry. http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/ Neutrik make a variant specifically created for power connections instead of speaker

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Brent
Never seen the XT60. Thanks for the heads up - looks promising - and cheap. Brent On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > One of the problems of power poles is they are expensive. Not a > problem if you only need a few of them. I've been

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Brandon Graham
Having followed Time nuts for a bit, I guess I'll finally chime in. For the PPs, it's like all other things, knowing the goods and bads. I've been using PPs for years, starting with RC Warship Combat (Battleships that shoot and sink each other, so lots of interchangeable parts), and have seen

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Chris Albertson
One of the problems of power poles is they are expensive. Not a problem if you only need a few of them. I've been buying DC connectors by the bag full as I've working on some battery powered mobile robots I robot does not need many but for every finish one you've build maybe four breadboard

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Bob Bownes
These are the ones we use: AMP part # 206708-1 Standard Circular Connector PLUG 9 POSITION shell size 13 On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Mark Spencer wrote: > I believe the "AMP" connectors you are referring to are what I would call > a "Cannon" connector. A

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Mark Spencer
Good point and for hobby use (ie. Amateur radio, time nuts pursuits etc.) I can see this being a consideration. That being said in my prior day jobs where we had various solar panel, battery, charge controller, AC powered charger, load combinations etc.. as far as I can recall I never

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, The ITT Cannon XLR range became known as Cannon-connector and XLR-connector, with the later as the long term name. Often the 3-pole XLR connector is being used, but many other exists, including different sizes of pins and shells. One should ba a bit careful to use the vendor name to

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
No one has brought up the issue of hermaphrodicity, so I will. Only PP's are hermaphroditic. Why does this matter? It matters in the case of a battery. A battery is both a power source and a power sink. In the PP system, you can make a 3 way connection between a power source, a power sink,

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Mark Spencer
I believe the "AMP" connectors you are referring to are what I would call a "Cannon" connector. A good choice for that application IMHO. Mark Spencer m...@alignedsolutions.com > On Jun 22, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Bob Bownes wrote: > > Right Tool for the Job. > > I use barrel

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Mark Spencer
This good information. Thanks Mark Spencer m...@alignedsolutions.com > On Jun 22, 2017, at 7:27 AM, Mike Seguin wrote: > > NL2 etc 40A > > They typically run about $3 per connector. I use them on high power Solid > State amps. (VHF and up) > > Mike > >> On

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Mark Spencer
For amateur radio use I've never perceived power poles as offering enough of an advantage over most other power connectors to make me willing to change my other connectors for power poles. I do own some equipment that came with factory installed power pole connectors and I'm generally ok with

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Chris, On 06/22/2017 04:37 PM, Chris Caudle wrote: On Thu, June 22, 2017 7:40 am, Mike Seguin wrote: For anything critical, I use these connector from the professional sound industry. http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/ Neutrik make a variant specifically created for power connections

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Chris Caudle
On Thu, June 22, 2017 7:40 am, Mike Seguin wrote: > For anything critical, I use these connector from the professional sound > industry. > http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/ Neutrik make a variant specifically created for power connections instead of speaker connections. I think they are

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, Not horribly expensive. Military circular stuff can really burn money for you. In that context, the Neutrik stuff is fairly cheap and for many purposes good enough. Cheers, Magnus On 06/22/2017 04:14 PM, Clint Jay wrote: Ooh, I forgot the Neutrik range, haven't used those for years.

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, The Powerkon variant, which does not mate with Speakon, is what is good for AC, and found use in the medicine world, as it does not self-disconnect like IEC-outlets tend to do (yeah, I know about securing them and I've seen it missused many times but I made sure we have such securing on

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Mike Seguin
NL2 etc 40A They typically run about $3 per connector. I use them on high power Solid State amps. (VHF and up) Mike On 6/22/2017 10:10 AM, Clay Autery wrote: OK I was wrong... Attila was right. IF we are going to talk alternatives and not simply bash PP cons, then I'm in. Always up

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Clint Jay
Ooh, I forgot the Neutrik range, haven't used those for years. Excellent quality and not horrifically expensive On 22 Jun 2017 3:11 pm, "Clay Autery" wrote: > OK I was wrong... Attila was right. IF we are going to talk > alternatives and not simply bash PP cons, then

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Clay Autery
OK I was wrong... Attila was right. IF we are going to talk alternatives and not simply bash PP cons, then I'm in. Always up for a bit of over-engineering. The speakon connectors are interesting... Do you have a favorite series/model, Mike? __ Clay Autery, KY5G On

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Bob Bownes
Right Tool for the Job. I use barrel connectors when I _want_ the cord to come out when the unit falls off the shelf rather than dangle by the power cable. Locking Molex, or, far better, locking AMP connections when I want the unit to hang by the cord when necessary. We've gone to 9 pin

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi There are some really nice aircraft grade connectors that only cost about $250 each (as in $500 a pair) that take care of all sorts of issues :) For my money, Power Poles do just fine. Bob > On Jun 22, 2017, at 3:19 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: > > Wes, Don, > > I am

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Clint Jay
Heh, I was thinking just that when I typed it. They're almost inverted, the pegs are on the plug and the slots are on the socket, the ones I've seen aren't spiral slots, you have to fully engage the plug before you twist. I like PowerPoles, I like barrel connections, as with so many things it's

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Wes
Hi Tom, I said I use PPs but I don't really like them. If you use a pair as a cable splice then yes, you can tie them together, but in the specific case I referred to, the connection on Elecraft radios, the mate is sticking out the back of a panel and it's impossible to knot the cable or use

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Mike Seguin
For anything critical, I use these connector from the professional sound industry. http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/ Mike On 6/22/2017 8:29 AM, Clint Jay wrote: It is possible to get hold of locking barrel connectors, they insert as normal and a quarter twist fastens them in place. The

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Bob Bownes
Locking barrel connectors... Aren't those called BNCs? ;) In one of my other lives, I see Power Poles used in a very life critical application. They are used to connect pads to Automatic External Defibrillators. In that application, the two poles (15A, red & white) are glued together rather

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Clint Jay
It is possible to get hold of locking barrel connectors, they insert as normal and a quarter twist fastens them in place. The plugs and sockets are compatible with non locking equivalents too. Of course they're not great for applications that need a decent amount of current and other

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 06:20:27 -0500 Clay Autery wrote: > TVB for the win! > > Can we please let it go here? > Do we REALLY need to have the same PPcon discussion yet again? Actually, I read it with interest. I am designing quite a bit of electronics. A lot of it is

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Tim Shoppa
Whoops. Since Tom invited us to this off topic discussion, my two minor complaints about PowerPoles: 1: No make-first for ground. This is actually alleviated by other Anderson connector styles - in the 15A range they have a make first pin (which breaks the hermaphodicity). And in the big-boy

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Clay Autery
Not sure how "idiot proof" became a desirable engineering goal. I've always favored allowing the natural self-cleaning of the gene pool to progress normally. We are protecting the species to death. __ Clay Autery, KY5G On 6/22/2017 3:07 AM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > They

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Clay Autery
TVB for the win! Can we please let it go here? Do we REALLY need to have the same PPcon discussion yet again? I vote no. __ Clay Autery, KY5G On 6/22/2017 2:19 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: > Wes, Don, > > I am quite surprised at the negative reaction to Anderson Power Pole >

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 12:19:33AM -0700, Tom Van Baak wrote: > What on earth are you doing with them that causes them to disconnect? > I mean, they are not meant for towing or lifting or rappelling. For > critical applications there is a plastic gizmo that keeps them mated; > or just use a

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
They aren't idiot proof though. I've seen them assembled backwards so that the contact occurred on the flat springs with predictable results. Bruce > > On 22 June 2017 at 19:19 Tom Van Baak wrote: > > Wes, Don, > > I am quite surprised at the negative

Re: [time-nuts] Anderson PowerPole (was Charles Wenzel GPSDO)

2017-06-22 Thread Tom Van Baak
Wes, Don, I am quite surprised at the negative reaction to Anderson Power Pole connectors. I have found them the best DC connector out there. I have used them for a decade or two for all my DC feeds and have never had a problem: in my home lab, my car, even for my laptop charger. They are