[tips] chicken, Fox News, and correlations

2014-05-01 Thread Carol DeVolder
With respect to drawing causation from correlation, one of my students
pointed this out to me. Apparently, if you want to create aggressive
children, give 'em their meat still on the bone...

I've been unable to find the actual article (I haven't tried very hard
though), but here is a story from Medical News Today:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/276052.php and here's how Fox News
reported it:
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/04/29/eating-chicken-bone-makes-kids-more-aggressive-study-shows

Carol

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563-333-6482

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Re: [tips] chicken, Fox News, and correlations

2014-05-01 Thread John Kulig

Sounds like they assigned children to conditions. Was it random? But even if 
not, each Ss served in both conditions. Small N. 

I wouldn't necessarily call the IV confounded, but chicken on-the-bone versus 
bite sized chunks is a sloppy IV - what exactly is the key stimulus feature? It 
could be, for instance, the fact that gross versus fine motor skills are 
involved. If so, might we expect a similar finding if we had children working 
with a small screwdriver versus a hammer? 

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With respect to drawing causation from correlation, one of my students pointed 
this out to me. Apparently, if you want to create aggressive children, give 'em 
their meat still on the bone... 

I've been unable to find the actual article (I haven't tried very hard though), 
but here is a story from Medical News Today: 
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/276052.php and here's how Fox News 
reported it: 
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/04/29/eating-chicken-bone-makes-kids-more-aggressive-study-shows
 

Carol 

-- 
Carol DeVolder, Ph.D. 
Professor of Psychology 
St. Ambrose University 
518 West Locust Street 
Davenport, Iowa 52803 
563-333-6482 






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[tips] Four-fold table?

2014-05-01 Thread Gerald Peterson
I teach a gateway class for Psych majors to prep them for our research methods 
classes.  Early in the term,after discussing everyday reasoning problems such 
as the confirmation and hindsight biases, I have been introducing the idea of a 
four-fold (2X2) table to aid their thinking about more adequate tests of 
popular ideas. The table encourages them to think about control or comparison 
conditions, and gently preps them for later discussion of variables and levels 
for same. AnywayI think I picked this idea up from some intro text, likely 
Scott Lilienfeld's, but I cannot find or recall the source. Does anyone do 
anything similar, or recall where use of a four-fold table for such teaching 
purposes may have come from?  

 
G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D
 Psychology@SVSU



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Re: [tips] chicken, Fox News, and correlations

2014-05-01 Thread Gerald Peterson
Yes, but repeated measures experiment. Haven't checked actual report either, 
but it might be interesting example of demand character and imitation?  
Incautiously hyped by author in that Medical News link. Hmmm.

 
G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D
Psychology@SVSU


 On May 1, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Carol DeVolder devoldercar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 With respect to drawing causation from correlation, one of my students 
 pointed this out to me. Apparently, if you want to create aggressive 
 children, give 'em their meat still on the bone... 
 
 I've been unable to find the actual article (I haven't tried very hard 
 though), but here is a story from Medical News Today:  
 http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/276052.php and here's how Fox News 
 reported it: 
 http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/04/29/eating-chicken-bone-makes-kids-more-aggressive-study-shows
 
 Carol
 
 -- 
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 Professor of Psychology
 St. Ambrose University
 518 West Locust Street
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 563-333-6482
 
 
 
 
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Re: [tips] Four-fold table?

2014-05-01 Thread Gerald Peterson
Thanks Scott...
I skimmed your intro text and didn't see it but will check again. Also have 
used Gilovich (1991) so probably derived use from both. Just saw your use 
again, but this time searched Great Fourfold Table of Life lol.  Well, of 
course.  Cheers, Gary

 
G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D
Psychology@SVSU


 On May 1, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Lilienfeld, Scott O slil...@emory.edu wrote:
 
 Hi Gary: We do discuss in our Intro Psychology text, but a bunch of other 
 sources discuss the concept of the fourfold table as well.  Among others, Tom 
 Gilovich's (1991)'s superb How we know what isn't so is an excellent source 
 in this regard for teaching purposes.   All the best...Scott 
 
 
 Scott O. Lilienfeld, Ph.D. 
 Professor
 Department of Psychology, Emory University
 Atlanta, Georgia 30322
 
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 Subject: [tips] Four-fold table?
 
 I teach a gateway class for Psych majors to prep them for our research 
 methods classes.  Early in the term,after discussing everyday reasoning 
 problems such as the confirmation and hindsight biases, I have been 
 introducing the idea of a four-fold (2X2) table to aid their thinking about 
 more adequate tests of popular ideas. The table encourages them to think 
 about control or comparison conditions, and gently preps them for later 
 discussion of variables and levels for same. AnywayI think I picked this 
 idea up from some intro text, likely Scott Lilienfeld's, but I cannot find or 
 recall the source. Does anyone do anything similar, or recall where use of a 
 four-fold table for such teaching purposes may have come from?  
 
 
 G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D
 Psychology@SVSU
 
 
 
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