RE: APA Admits error in publishing adult-child sex study
John W. Nichols, M.A. wrote: But probabily not as long as it will take them to learn the virtues of honesty and integrity. "Paul C. Smith" wrote: Of course, it'll take a LOT longer to root out all the pro-child abuse FRC members. If it weren't for the fact that the Christian Coalition seems to use "lying" as its first tool of choice in general, I'd be encouraged by the fact that they have to resort to this kind of lie to create evil to rail against. The idea is that things must be going pretty well if they can't find any REAL evil actions to fight. --- Paul Smith Alverno College Milwaukee
RE: APA Admits error in publishing adult-child sex study
John W. Nichols wrote: But probabily not as long as it will take them to learn the virtues of honesty and integrity. "Paul C. Smith" wrote: Of course, it'll take a LOT longer to root out all the pro-child abuse FRC members. If it weren't for the fact that the Christian Coalition seems to use "lying" as its first tool of choice in general, I'd be encouraged by the fact that they have to resort to this kind of lie to create evil to rail against. The idea is that things must be going pretty well if they can't find any REAL evil actions to fight. --- Paul Smith Alverno College Milwaukee Apparently I should have clarified when I sent the article -- I was passing along the information to others and looking for others to discuss its content. So, I'm not sure why Paul and John are copying their messages to me... I was absolutely unfamiliar with this article, or that it had embroiled such a controversy, so I thought perhaps others might be interested in knowing what's going on. As Stephen Black stated, this may indeed be a sad day for science. I know nothing of FRC and very little of the Christian Coalition, so please don't take my posting the article as an endorsement of either of these groups. That was the original avenue I became aware of the study, and since then, some other individuals have been kind enough to forward other documents such as Ray Fowler's/APA's official statement on this issue. Regarding these groups, I think "lying" is an unfortunate choice of words -- I have not seen anything in any source (YET) that demonstrates those opposed to the article have intentionally been untruthful. On the other hand, I have also seen that some religious conservatives, such as James Dobson and Laura Schlessinger, haven't done their homework and have been guilty of exaggerations and "right-wing" propaganda. I do not see anything that shows the Christian Coalition's hand in this, and I know very little about them, but I think it's interesting how quickly some folks went from discussing the article and people's reactions (accurate and hysterical) to taking another opportunity to slam "right-wingers" and "fundamentalists." I also think throwing in child abuse is completely irrelevant here. Can't we stick to the issue at hand? I'm very interested in others' reactions to the article (assuming you have read it). For those of you who haven't read the article, if you are an APA member, or APA-affiliate, the article is online and can be seen at: http://members.apa.org/governance/bulletin/ Thanks, * Jim Guinee, Ph.D. Director of Training, Counseling Center Adjunct Professor, Dept. of Psychology/Counseling Dept. of Health Sciences President-Elect, Arkansas College Counselor Association University of Central Arkansas 313 Bernard HallConway, AR 72035 (501) 450-3138 (office) (501) 450-3248 (fax) "Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser; teach a righteous man and he will increase in learning." Proverbs 9:9
RE: APA Admits error in publishing adult-child sex study
Jim Guinee wrote: Apparently I should have clarified when I sent the article -- I was passing along the information to others and looking for others to discuss its content. So, I'm not sure why Paul and John are copying their messages to me... (snip) I know nothing of FRC and very little of the Christian Coalition, so please don't take my posting the article as an endorsement of either of these groups. I copied my message to you simply because I once again forgot to make sure that you weren't included in the CC field (in other words, burned again by the TIPS policy...but of course it's really my own fault). (oops - _almost_ did it again with _this_ message...) I didn't read your original post (sending along the article) as an endorsement of its content, and I'm sure no-one else did either. If you were that kind of a nut, I think we'd have known it by now. ;) Paul Smith Alverno College Milwaukee
Re: APA Admits error in publishing adult-child sex study
Of course it is controversial. It offends the politically correct left wingers and the moral police on the right. For those who have not read the article, you should do so before you react. It is not what the media says! FOr those who are trying to foster their careers by misquoting the work, a pox on your house! Here are three other meta-analyses published this decade (cited in Rind, Tromovitch, Bauserman, 1998). I have scanned and provided the abstracts. My reading of these papers supports the general conclusions about non-clinical samples of the Rind, Tromovitch, Bauesman (1998) article. Ron Ron Apland Psychology Department Malaspina University College - A meta-analysis of the relationship of child sexual abuse to adult psychological adjustment Child Abuse Neglect. Vol. l9. No. 6. pp. 7l5-728. 1995 Shan A. Jumper Department of Counseling. Loyola University of Chicago. Chicago. IL. USA Abstract:This paper reports on meta-analyses of the relations of child sexual abuse to adult psychological adjustment. Results indicated statistically significant relationships between the experience of child sexual abuse and subsequent difficulties in psychological adjustment as measured by psychological symptomatology. depression. and self-esteem. Significant heterogeneity occurred across studies using a variety of different subject populations, research designs. and assessment methods. Some explanation of the effect size variance was partially accounted for by certain identified study characteristics, most notable in regards to sample source used in the included studies. Student samples consistently generated smaller, more homogeneous effect size estimates than did community or clinical samples. This indicates that abused subjects drawn from student samples may experience fewer impairments in psychological adjustment. when compared to abused subjects drawn from community or clinical samples. The implications of these findings and suggestions for future research are discussed. The long-term sequelae of childhood sexual abuse in women: A meta-analytic review. Child Maltreatment, VoL 1, No. 1, February 1996 6-16 0 1996 Debra A. Neumann The Traumatic Stress Institute Beth M. Houskamp Azusa Pacific University Vicki E. Pollock John Briere LAG/USC Psychiatric Hospital The authors conducted a meta-analytic review of the relationship between a history of child sexual abuse (CSA) and psychological problems in adult women in 38 studies meeting rigorous research criteria. Across all symptoms, a significant association was found between history of CSA and adult symptomatology. Analysis of the role of moderating variables indicated the associations were stronger among subjects re-cruited from clinical populations. When individual symptom domains were examined, anxiety, anger, depression, revictimization, self mutilation, sexual problems, substance abuse, suicidality, impairment of self concept, interpersonal problems, obsessions and compulsions, dissociation, post-traumatic stress responses, and somatization all yielded significant associations with sexual abuse. These results are discussed in light of their relevance to research methodology and clinical intervention. A Meta-Analytic Review of Findings from National Samples on Psychological Correlates of Child Sexual Abuse The Journal of Sex Research Vol. 34, No. 3, 1997 pp. 237-255 Bruce Rind Department of Psychology, Temple University Philip Tromovitch Graduate School of Education, University of Pennsylvania In response to the availability of a growing literature on the psychological correlates of child sexual abuse (CSA% numerous researchers have conducted literature reviews of these correlates. These reviewers have generally reported that CSA is associated with a wide variety of adjustment problems, and many have additionally implied or concluded that, in the population of persons with CSA experiences, (a) CSA causes psychological harm, (b) this harm is pervasive, (c) this harm is intense, and (d) boys and girls experience CSA equivalently. However, with few exceptions, these reviewers have included in their reviews mostly studies using clinical and legal samples; these samples cannot be assumed to be representative of the general population. To evaluate the implications and conclusions of these reviewers, we conducted a literature review of seven studies using national probability samples, which are more appropriate for making population inferences. We found that, contrary to the implications and conclusions contained in previous literature reviews that were focused on biased samples, in the general population, CSA is not associated with pervasive harm and that harm, when it occurs, is not typically intense. Further, CSA experiences for males and females are not equivalent; a substantially lower proportion of males reports negative
Re: APA Admits error in publishing adult-child sex study
In his letter, Dr. Fowler, who had earlier defended the article on national television as "a good study," now acknowledges that the article is "inflammatory" and includes opinions "inconsistent" with APA's policy on child protection issues. He admits that APA "failed" to "evaluate the article based on its potential for misinforming the public policy process." I've read the article. It is a good study, whose gist can be summarized as follows: males under the age of legal consent don't necessarily mind, and often feel good about, getting laid by women older than themselves (I say "getting laid" because that may be the closest evocation of the phenomenon we're talking about). Females under the age of legal consent are more likely to have mixed feelings or negative feelings. And that's controversial? --David Epstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: APA Admits error in publishing adult-child sex study
Of course it is controversial. It offends the politically correct left wingers and the moral police on the right. For those who have not read the article, you should do so before you react. It is not what the media says! FOr those who are trying to foster their careers by misquoting the work, a pox on your house!
RE: APA Admits error in publishing adult-child sex study
said FRC's Chief Spokesperson Janet Parshall. "It's a good first step, but now the APA needs to root out the pro-pedophilic academicians who are trying to normalize child abuse. Good news, everyone. I rooted 'em out this morning, while I was waiting for my coffee to brew. Of course, it'll take a LOT longer to root out all the pro-child abuse FRC members. Paul Smith Alverno College Milwaukee
Re: APA Admits error in publishing adult-child sex study
But probabily not as long as it will take them to learn the virtues of honesty and integrity. "Paul C. Smith" wrote: (snip) Of course, it'll take a LOT longer to root out all the pro-child abuse FRC members. Paul Smith Alverno College Milwaukee -- --== ô¿ô ==-- John W. Nichols, M.A. Assistant Professor of Psychology Computer Science Tulsa Community College 909 S. Boston Ave., Tulsa, OK 74119 (918) 595-7134 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home: http://www.tulsa.oklahoma.net/~jnichols/home.html MegaPsych: http://www.tulsa.oklahoma.net/~jnichols/megapsych.html
