Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-20 Thread Costin Manolache
Henri Gomez wrote: The AJP13 protocol will have to be enhanced (or better enabled) to use the 'Service channel' and 'Data Filter'. It is not necessary to define all Service channel modes like server topology, or server readiness, neither to define all the Data Filter modes like cryptography or co

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-20 Thread Costin Manolache
Henri Gomez wrote: The AJP13 protocol will have to be enhanced (or better enabled) to use the 'Service channel' and 'Data Filter'. It is not necessary to define all Service channel modes like server topology, or server readiness, neither to define all the Data Filter modes like cryptography or co

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-20 Thread Costin Manolache
Mladen Turk wrote: But we don't wish to write something modular and unlimitedly extendable. Just the load-balancing-ajp13+ over tcp/ip connector, for Apache2. Having that in mind, we have APR, and 'almost' a finite set of requirements, without the need to 'think modular' or 'think cross-webserver'.

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-20 Thread Jess Holle
I actually built this yesterday upon rediscovering it -- and it seems to work fine. Unfortunately: 1. The licensing is unclear. 2. There appears to be no active maintenance or support of this module. I'm thus more than a little reluctant to put too many eggs in this basket. -- Jess Holle Günt

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-20 Thread Günter Knauf
Hi, > A good number desparately want NTLM-based authentication. [They like > the single-sign on for Windows clients, but they love the notion of > better security than clear-text name/password, etc, without having to > buy a server certificate or use HTTPS on their intranet.] If Apache 2 > had a

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-20 Thread Henri Gomez
Mladen Turk wrote: -Original Message- From: Henri Gomez Ideally since we could have a cluster of Apache WebServer linked to a cluster of Tomcat ServletEngines, and that member could enter or exit these 2 clusters we should have something using Multicast (ideally a native JavaGroups)

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-20 Thread Mladen Turk
> -Original Message- > From: Henri Gomez > > Ideally since we could have a cluster of Apache WebServer > linked to a cluster of Tomcat ServletEngines, and that member > could enter or exit these 2 clusters we should have something > using Multicast (ideally a native JavaGroups) for b

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-20 Thread Henri Gomez
Henri Gomez wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: The AJP13 protocol will have to be enhanced (or better enabled) to use the 'Service channel' and 'Data Filter'. It is not necessary to define all Service channel modes like server topology, or server readiness, neither to define all the Data Filter modes lik

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-20 Thread Henri Gomez
Mladen Turk wrote: Costin Manolache wrote I can understand the jk2 "object oriented C" is considered too complex. True. But I certainly can't agree on a design that is not modular and doesn't support this basic requirement. We already have mod_jserv and mod_webapp - and a long history of

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-20 Thread Henri Gomez
Remy Maucherat wrote: Costin Manolache wrote: Remy Maucherat wrote: I think you're mixing the Java side with the native side. I think the Java side should obviously use JMX to monitor what's going on with Tomcat. However, the native side will just recieve proprietary messages. We have to keep the

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-20 Thread Henri Gomez
Mladen Turk wrote: -Original Message- From: Remy Maucherat The only 2 JNI models that actually work are jk2 "protocol marshalling, pass only byte[]" and eclipse swt "small simple calls with mostly int and byte[] params" All that is cool, but what you propose looks a lot like JK 2 (J

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-20 Thread Henri Gomez
Costin Manolache wrote: Henri Gomez wrote: You must keep in mind that tomcat5 is no longer server.xml centric ! It can use separate config files in different directories, if it is embedded it can use the embedor's config, etc. And httpd.conf is static - you can't modify it. We support using http

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-20 Thread Mladen Turk
Costin Manolache wrote > > I can understand the jk2 "object oriented C" is considered > too complex. True. > But I certainly can't agree on a design that is not modular > and doesn't support this basic requirement. We already have > mod_jserv and mod_webapp > - and a long history of "re

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Remy Maucherat wrote: Monitoring and controlling the native code from java is IMO quite usefull and important by itself. Even Apache supports limited monitoring ( SNMP, mod_status, etc ). Ok. We'll see if I'm more convinced when you show your code ;) For now, I'm siding with Henri and his propo

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Tim Funk
I was lucky enough to ditch a bloated buggy j2ee engine in place of tomcat/apache while we were in the process of switching CIO's. As nice as it is to have someone to blame, its even harder to justify having to pay the fat up front prices and yearly (lack of) support contracts for something that

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Jess Holle
Costin Manolache wrote: Jess Holle wrote: Henri Gomez wrote: It's better then having people struggle with mod_jk config and feeling it's tomcat developer's job to support IIS. You could also suggest IIS users to switch to Apache 2.0.50 for Windows :) I'd love to -- and have. Unfortunately, some h

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Jess Holle wrote: Henri Gomez wrote: It's better then having people struggle with mod_jk config and feeling it's tomcat developer's job to support IIS. You could also suggest IIS users to switch to Apache 2.0.50 for Windows :) I'd love to -- and have. Unfortunately, some have drank too much Mic

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Jess Holle
Costin Manolache wrote: Jess Holle wrote: Maybe the best response to this would be to update the docs and say "tomcat IIS 6 is not supported, plese contact microsoft and ask them to do it". They have plenty of developers and money - they could send a check to Andy and Henri, or do it themself :-)

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Remy Maucherat
Costin Manolache wrote: Remy Maucherat wrote: I think you're mixing the Java side with the native side. I think the Java side should obviously use JMX to monitor what's going on with Tomcat. However, the native side will just recieve proprietary messages. We have to keep the native side as small

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Jess Holle wrote: Maybe the best response to this would be to update the docs and say "tomcat IIS 6 is not supported, plese contact microsoft and ask them to do it". They have plenty of developers and money - they could send a check to Andy and Henri, or do it themself :-) I'm quite certain that

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Remy Maucherat wrote: I think you're mixing the Java side with the native side. I think the Java side should obviously use JMX to monitor what's going on with Tomcat. However, the native side will just recieve proprietary messages. We have to keep the native side as small and simple as possible t

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Schalk Neethling
With all the talk about the new jk, I hope of the main focuses will be to make the integration between Tomcat and Apache a lot easier. I find that there are very few hosting companies out there that are able to do this correctly and as such do not support Java/JSP/Servlets. It has come to a poi

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Andy Armstrong
Costin Manolache wrote: Maybe the best response to this would be to update the docs and say "tomcat IIS 6 is not supported, plese contact microsoft and ask them to do it". They have plenty of developers and money - they could send a check to Andy and Henri, or do it themself :-) Hey why not? :) I

RE: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Greg . Cope
> -Original Message- > From: Jess Holle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Unfortunately, some have drank too much Microsoft Kool-Aid. > > A good number desparately want NTLM-based authentication. [They like > the single-sign on for Windows clients, but they love the notion of > better s

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Greg . Cope
> -Original Message- > From: Remy Maucherat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > The only 2 JNI models that actually work are jk2 "protocol > > marshalling, pass only byte[]" and eclipse swt "small simple calls > > with mostly int and byte[] params" > > > All that is cool, but what you p

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Mladen Turk
> -Original Message- > From: Remy Maucherat > > > > The only 2 JNI models that actually work are jk2 "protocol > > marshalling, pass only byte[]" and eclipse swt "small simple calls > > with mostly int and byte[] params" > > > All that is cool, but what you propose looks a lot like J

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Jess Holle
Henri Gomez wrote: It's better then having people struggle with mod_jk config and feeling it's tomcat developer's job to support IIS. You could also suggest IIS users to switch to Apache 2.0.50 for Windows :) I'd love to -- and have. Unfortunately, some have drank too much Microsoft Kool-Aid. A g

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Jess Holle
Costin Manolache wrote: Jess Holle wrote: Andy Armstrong wrote: Jess Holle > Getting the IIS connectors to work with IIS 6 appears to be rocket science though. [Dang thing just shows a red down arrow on the filter whatever you do without giving any real error!] Heh. Having spent two days gettin

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Henri Gomez wrote: You must keep in mind that tomcat5 is no longer server.xml centric ! It can use separate config files in different directories, if it is embedded it can use the embedor's config, etc. And httpd.conf is static - you can't modify it. We support using httpd.conf for performance-v

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Remy Maucherat
Costin Manolache wrote: Remy Maucherat wrote: Costin Manolache wrote: What complexity does JNI add to jk2 ? There are separate files, using the same protocol. The real important lesson in Jk2 is that JNI works faster and better if it is not used to pass objects. The only 2 JNI models that actua

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Henri Gomez wrote: Costin Manolache wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: Hi, All (except Costin) developers has to say something, so my conclusion is that we are not dead after all ;) I'm alive as well, and I have something to say - I spent last few weekends playing with coyote and tomcat, probably in few w

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
Costin Manolache wrote: Jess Holle wrote: Andy Armstrong wrote: Jess Holle > Getting the IIS connectors to work with IIS 6 appears to be rocket science though. [Dang thing just shows a red down arrow on the filter whatever you do without giving any real error!] Heh. Having spent two days getti

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
Costin Manolache wrote: Remy Maucherat wrote: Costin Manolache wrote: What complexity does JNI add to jk2 ? There are separate files, using the same protocol. The real important lesson in Jk2 is that JNI works faster and better if it is not used to pass objects. The only 2 JNI models that actua

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Jess Holle wrote: Andy Armstrong wrote: Jess Holle > Getting the IIS connectors to work with IIS 6 appears to be rocket science though. [Dang thing just shows a red down arrow on the filter whatever you do without giving any real error!] Heh. Having spent two days getting the filter to work on

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Jess Holle wrote: Andy Armstrong wrote: Jess Holle > Getting the IIS connectors to work with IIS 6 appears to be rocket science though. [Dang thing just shows a red down arrow on the filter whatever you do without giving any real error!] Heh. Having spent two days getting the filter to work on

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
Costin Manolache wrote: Remy Maucherat wrote: My turn :) Sorry, I won't help code it (well, maybe a little for the Java part); so I don't know if I have a say in any decision, but I though I should participate as well. - it should be simpler than JK 1 or 2 +1 - it should have a name which doesn

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
Costin Manolache wrote: We should first determine if Apache2 will have to monitor a service/system links to the various tomcats (in cluster configuration) to learn about real-time topology. In fact, that is why I've pursued the .xml config over the current one. The main idea is to _internally_

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Greg . Cope
> > Ah appologies I though crypto would mean SSL'ing the link > or encypting the > > AJP contents with AES/Blowfish et al. > > It could of course, all we need is a fast crypto protocol, and more > important something ALLREADY available in APR/Apache2/Java Although this is getting off topic, usi

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Remy Maucherat wrote: Costin Manolache wrote: What complexity does JNI add to jk2 ? There are separate files, using the same protocol. The real important lesson in Jk2 is that JNI works faster and better if it is not used to pass objects. The only 2 JNI models that actually work are jk2 "protoc

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Remy Maucherat wrote: Costin Manolache wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: Hi, All (except Costin) developers has to say something, so my conclusion is that we are not dead after all ;) I'm alive as well, and I have something to say - I spent last few weekends playing with coyote and tomcat, probably in fe

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Remy Maucherat
Costin Manolache wrote: What complexity does JNI add to jk2 ? There are separate files, using the same protocol. The real important lesson in Jk2 is that JNI works faster and better if it is not used to pass objects. The only 2 JNI models that actually work are jk2 "protocol marshalling, pass

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I am trying to say is that do not dismiss 1.3.x unless it is difficult to include. Well if we had to support Apache 1.3, will have to support two very different web-server and could make use of APR since Apache 1.3 came without APR. Ah ok - so this is complex to

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
Costin Manolache wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: Hi, All (except Costin) developers has to say something, so my conclusion is that we are not dead after all ;) I'm alive as well, and I have something to say - I spent last few weekends playing with coyote and tomcat, probably in few weeks I'll have som

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Jess Holle
Andy Armstrong wrote: Jess Holle > Getting the IIS connectors to work with IIS 6 appears to be rocket science though. [Dang thing just shows a red down arrow on the filter whatever you do without giving any real error!] Heh. Having spent two days getting the filter to work on IIS I'm thinking

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Remy Maucherat wrote: My turn :) Sorry, I won't help code it (well, maybe a little for the Java part); so I don't know if I have a say in any decision, but I though I should participate as well. - it should be simpler than JK 1 or 2 +1 - it should have a name which doesn't confuse folks :) mod_t

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Andy Armstrong
Jess Holle > Getting the IIS connectors to work with IIS 6 appears to be rocket science though. [Dang thing just shows a red down arrow on the filter whatever you do without giving any real error!] Heh. Having spent two days getting the filter to work on IIS I'm thinking about starting to sell

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Costin Manolache
We should first determine if Apache2 will have to monitor a service/system links to the various tomcats (in cluster configuration) to learn about real-time topology. In fact, that is why I've pursued the .xml config over the current one. The main idea is to _internally_ have config tree (right

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-19 Thread Remy Maucherat
Costin Manolache wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: Hi, All (except Costin) developers has to say something, so my conclusion is that we are not dead after all ;) I'm alive as well, and I have something to say - I spent last few weekends playing with coyote and tomcat, probably in few weeks I'll have som

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Greg . Cope
> > What I am trying to say is that do not dismiss 1.3.x unless > it is difficult > > to include. > > Well if we had to support Apache 1.3, will have to support two very > different web-server and could make use of APR since Apache 1.3 came > without APR. Ah ok - so this is complex to make it

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Mladen Turk wrote: Hi, All (except Costin) developers has to say something, so my conclusion is that we are not dead after all ;) I'm alive as well, and I have something to say - I spent last few weekends playing with coyote and tomcat, probably in few weeks I'll have something working and I'll g

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
Remy Maucherat wrote: Henri Gomez wrote: Second reference to mod_coyote ? Should we retains this one ? Maybe ;) We have two connectors planned. This one will use AJP, while the other would use JNI, so we need two, different, non confusing names. So naming this mod_jk3 would be bad, just like nam

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Jess Holle
mod_jk with Apache is not that hard. Actually I believe it is fairly easy mod_jk2 is much harder for me to understand. Getting the IIS connectors to work with IIS 6 appears to be rocket science though. [Dang thing just shows a red down arrow on the filter whatever you do without giving any r

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
Mladen Turk wrote: -Original Message- From: Henri Gomez Well I'd like to see jk 1.2.x continuing its slow maintenance cycle since it's the most used module for now. And start from scratch the new mod_coyote. Ok, but let's try to make the code 'reusable', protocol and basic config tr

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just my 2 pence worth (as an apache/tomcat admin in a large company); - the configuration should be in Apache's config file, rather than some complex properties file +1 Yes please! The general idea is to connect to TC and get the URI/VHOST topology, but we still need

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Cox, Charlie
> -Original Message- > From: Mladen Turk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 5:58 AM > To: 'Tomcat Developers List' > Subject: RE: Some JK2 ideas v.3 > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Henri Gomez > >

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Greg . Cope
Just my 2 pence worth (as an apache/tomcat admin in a large company); > >>>- the configuration should be in Apache's config file, rather than > >>>some complex properties file > >> > >>+1 Yes please! > > The general idea is to connect to TC and get the URI/VHOST > topology, but we > > still

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Mladen Turk
> -Original Message- > From: Henri Gomez > > Well I'd like to see jk 1.2.x continuing its slow maintenance > cycle since it's the most used module for now. > > And start from scratch the new mod_coyote. > > > Ok, but let's try to make the code 'reusable', protocol and basic > > conf

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Remy Maucherat
Henri Gomez wrote: Second reference to mod_coyote ? Should we retains this one ? Maybe ;) We have two connectors planned. This one will use AJP, while the other would use JNI, so we need two, different, non confusing names. So naming this mod_jk3 would be bad, just like naming the two mod_coyote1

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Cox, Charlie
> -Original Message- > From: Henri Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 8:07 AM > To: Tomcat Developers List > Subject: Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3 > > Second reference to mod_coyote ? > > Should we retains this one ? Why wouldn'

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
Mladen Turk wrote: -Original Message- From: Remy Maucherat For example majors Linux distributions are now using Apache 2 instead of Apache 1.3. So Apache 2.x will be more and more used. When not running inside Apache, there are tons of things when cannot use, including configuratio

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
Mladen Turk wrote: -Original Message- From: Remy Maucherat For example majors Linux distributions are now using Apache 2 instead of Apache 1.3. So Apache 2.x will be more and more used. When not running inside Apache, there are tons of things when cannot use, including configuratio

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Mladen Turk
> -Original Message- > From: Remy Maucherat > > > For example majors Linux distributions are now using Apache > 2 instead > > of Apache 1.3. So Apache 2.x will be more and more used. > > When not running inside Apache, there are tons of things when > cannot use, including configurat

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Remy Maucherat
Henri Gomez wrote: Of course, I want a module designed for Apache 2.x (2.0/2.1). Apache 1.3 could live with jk 1.2.x. IIS/NES/DOMINO could use jk 1.2 or jk2. No more code complexity to handle all the web-servers around, we should focus on Apache 2.x. Yes. A lot of the complexity is to allow running

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
Mladen Turk wrote: -Original Message- From: Henri Gomez We should first determine if Apache2 will have to monitor a service/system links to the various tomcats (in cluster configuration) to learn about real-time topology. In fact, that is why I've pursued the .xml config over the cu

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Mladen Turk
> -Original Message- > From: Henri Gomez > > We should first determine if Apache2 will have to monitor a > service/system links to the various tomcats (in cluster > configuration) to learn about real-time topology. > In fact, that is why I've pursued the .xml config over the current

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
Remy Maucherat wrote: My turn :) Sorry, I won't help code it (well, maybe a little for the Java part); so I don't know if I have a say in any decision, but I though I should participate as well. - it should be simpler than JK 1 or 2 Of course. - it should have a name which doesn't confuse folks

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
Cavan Morris wrote: Andy Armstrong wrote: I have concrete examples of people giving up on Tomcat altogether for no other reason than the fact that they couldn't get JK configured. By comparison the rest of the task of configuring Tomcat is a walk in the park. Please let's not be so up ourselves

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Gomez
Mladen Turk wrote: -Original Message- From: Remy Maucherat - it should be simpler than JK 1 or 2 That's the general idea - it should have a name which doesn't confuse folks :) APR_JAVA as static core lib + mod_javalink? For example I wish to make a WIN2003 http.sys kernel module. -

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-16 Thread Cavan Morris
Andy Armstrong wrote: I have concrete examples of people giving up on Tomcat altogether for no other reason than the fact that they couldn't get JK configured. By comparison the rest of the task of configuring Tomcat is a walk in the park. Please let's not be so up ourselves that we forget that

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-16 Thread Andy Armstrong
Endre Stølsvik wrote: All the jk's I've been exposed for -sucks- when it comes to these aspects - ANYTHING that makes it easier to use are VERY WELCOME feature. I have concrete examples of people giving up on Tomcat altogether for no other reason than the fact that they couldn't get JK configured.

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-16 Thread Remy Maucherat
Endre Stølsvik wrote: > | Cool that you have useful stuff to contribute. I'll kick you out of this > | list, and recommend you don't come back. I should have added "if you keep this attitude" at the end. > But isn't -kicking me off the list- rather harsh? I didn't flame anyone in > particular, o

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-16 Thread Remy Maucherat
Endre Stølsvik wrote: On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, jean-frederic clere wrote: | > | > | > 2. workers2.properties -> workers2.xml using apr_utils xml support. | > Get rid of 'assumed' properties like figuring out the context from url. | > Get rid of copying mappings from 'default' to virtual hosts. | > Of c

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-16 Thread Endre Stølsvik
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Jess Holle wrote: | | >>Using a modular multi-XML-file approach does not pollute the | >>result with any additional server-specific or Tomcat-specific | >>baggage. It just makes management and automated | >>configuration/installation much more workable. | >> | >> | >In contra

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-16 Thread Endre Stølsvik
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, jean-frederic clere wrote: | > | > | > 2. workers2.properties -> workers2.xml using apr_utils xml support. | > Get rid of 'assumed' properties like figuring out the context from url. | > Get rid of copying mappings from 'default' to virtual hosts. | > Of course, it would requi

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-15 Thread jean-frederic clere
Remy Maucherat wrote: My turn :) Sorry, I won't help code it (well, maybe a little for the Java part); so I don't know if I have a say in any decision, but I though I should participate as well. - it should be simpler than JK 1 or 2 - it should have a name which doesn't confuse folks :) - Apache

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread Andy Armstrong
David Rees wrote: That is the reason I have stuck with mod_jk instead of moving to mod_jk2, a quick look at the mod_jk2 docs makes my eyes glaze over, and mod_jk works just fine for my usage... If it helps any the docs don't seem to be in sync with the code either... -- Andy Armstrong -

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-15 Thread David Rees
Henri Gomez wrote: > > My idea is about a new module, only Apache 2.x for now, which will > make use of SetEnv, SetEnvIf, BrowserMath and Location > directives to redirect some URLs to tomcats via AJP. This sounds like a great idea. It would be easy to configure, and I would love to be able to co

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread David Rees
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > There is a learning cliff with mod_jk2 that many I feel try to climb, and > don't make it. They then tomcat gives them a bad taste. > > KISS - the easier it is to do a simple config (and at the same time have > flexibility to do a complicated one) the better. That is

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-15 Thread Tim Funk
How about mod_tomcat? -Tim Mladen Turk wrote: -Original Message- From: Remy Maucherat - it should have a name which doesn't confuse folks :) APR_JAVA as static core lib + mod_javalink? For example I wish to make a WIN2003 http.sys kernel module. --

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-15 Thread Mladen Turk
> -Original Message- > From: Remy Maucherat > > > - it should be simpler than JK 1 or 2 That's the general idea > - it should have a name which doesn't confuse folks :) APR_JAVA as static core lib + mod_javalink? For example I wish to make a WIN2003 http.sys kernel module. > - No

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread Mladen Turk
> -Original Message- > From: Henri Gomez > > Well I'd like to see the JK3 or whatever will name the new > module to be much more simpler and with less code. > Bingo! I'm trying over and over again to 'push' something like 'zero-config', not depandant of any current container. Just im

Some JK2 ideas v.3

2004-07-15 Thread Remy Maucherat
My turn :) Sorry, I won't help code it (well, maybe a little for the Java part); so I don't know if I have a say in any decision, but I though I should participate as well. - it should be simpler than JK 1 or 2 - it should have a name which doesn't confuse folks :) - Apache 2.x specific using AP

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread Andy Armstrong
Henri Gomez wrote: Well I'd like to see the JK3 or whatever will name the new module to be much more simpler and with less code. +1 to that. It really has the feel of something that's more complex than it should be at the moment. -- Andy Armstrong -

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread Henri Gomez
Mladen Turk wrote: -Original Message- From: Henri Gomez Of course all that sounds like JK3, but ... Did you see my post about a simpler module specific for now to Apache 2.x (2.0/2.1), may be something which could be included in standard Apache 2.x distribution which will save us hou

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread Henri Gomez
Tim Funk wrote: If this is all wishlists .. it'd be nice if we could set the worker and handler via mod_rewrite. Intead of JkMount /*.jsp loadbalancer Say: RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} *\.jsp RewriteRule ^(.+)$$1 [T=jk,E=worker:loaderbalance] [If my syntax above is correct] I was thin

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread jean-frederic clere
Tim Funk wrote: If this is all wishlists .. it'd be nice if we could set the worker and handler via mod_rewrite. Intead of JkMount /*.jsp loadbalancer Say: RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} *\.jsp RewriteRule ^(.+)$$1 [T=jk,E=worker:loaderbalance] [If my syntax above is correct] Rewrite re

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread Greg . Cope
have flexibility to do a complicated one) the better. > -Original Message- > From: Tim Funk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 July 2004 15:25 > To: Tomcat Developers List > Subject: Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2 > > > I wasn't thinking of a dependency on mod_rewrite, but a

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread Tim Funk
I wasn't thinking of a dependency on mod_rewrite, but a way to to configure JK based on common data structures that may be set by mod_rewrite. Its actually a restatement of this: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-dev&m=108987495224170&w=2 -Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would do you think a de

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread Jess Holle
Jess Holle wrote: Both approaches have their advantages Just don't loose the multi-file configuration flexibility given by JkUriSet. Gack, I meant "lose". I did one of my own pet-peeve typos Also, having either XML-based configuration *or* pure .conf configuration would be more easily un

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-15 Thread Jess Holle
Angus Mezick wrote: -Original Message- From: Jess Holle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mladen Turk wrote: -Original Message- From: Bill Barker Having the option to do per-host and even per-context configs makes life much easier for admins of servers that support it. Otherwise, yo

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread Jess Holle
Both approaches have their advantages Just don't loose the multi-file configuration flexibility given by JkUriSet. Also, having either XML-based configuration *or* pure .conf configuration would be more easily understood than the current workers2.properties details. Mladen Turk wrote: -O

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread Greg . Cope
> If this is all wishlists .. it'd be nice if we could set the > worker and > handler via mod_rewrite. > > Intead of >JkMount /*.jsp loadbalancer > Say: >RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} *\.jsp >RewriteRule ^(.+)$$1 [T=jk,E=worker:loaderbalance] > > [If my syntax above is correct]

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread Tim Funk
If this is all wishlists .. it'd be nice if we could set the worker and handler via mod_rewrite. Intead of JkMount /*.jsp loadbalancer Say: RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} *\.jsp RewriteRule ^(.+)$$1 [T=jk,E=worker:loaderbalance] [If my syntax above is correct] -Tim Mladen Turk wrote:

RE: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-15 Thread Angus Mezick
> -Original Message- > From: Jess Holle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mladen Turk wrote: > > >>-Original Message- > >>From: Bill Barker > >> > >>Having the option to do per-host and even per-context configs > >>makes life much easier for admins of servers that support it. > >> Ot

RE: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread Mladen Turk
> -Original Message- > From: Henri Gomez > > > > Of course all that sounds like JK3, but ... > > Did you see my post about a simpler module specific for now > to Apache 2.x (2.0/2.1), may be something which could be > included in standard Apache 2.x distribution which will save > us

Re: Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread Henri Gomez
Mladen Turk wrote: Hi, All (except Costin) developers has to say something, so my conclusion is that we are not dead after all ;) Seems that the major obstacle is the configuration, so I propose that we forget that for a while, and make a 'generalized' environment that will sattisfy all the 'needs'

Some JK2 ideas v.2

2004-07-15 Thread Mladen Turk
Hi, All (except Costin) developers has to say something, so my conclusion is that we are not dead after all ;) Seems that the major obstacle is the configuration, so I propose that we forget that for a while, and make a 'generalized' environment that will sattisfy all the 'needs'. That environmen

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-15 Thread Remy Maucherat
jean-frederic clere wrote: My idea is about a new module, only Apache 2.x for now, which will make use of SetEnv, SetEnvIf, BrowserMath and Location directives to redirect some URLs to tomcats via AJP. Everything in httpd.conf, probably that is a good idea. Reusing existing directives also. Many

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-15 Thread Henri Gomez
jean-frederic clere wrote: Henri Gomez wrote: Andy Armstrong wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: In contrary, it makes it simpler, cause you have a common denominator, and that is 'well documented' config file, usable on any container. Well documented is the crux here for me. Or at least readily understa

Re: Some JK2 ideas

2004-07-15 Thread jean-frederic clere
Henri Gomez wrote: Andy Armstrong wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: In contrary, it makes it simpler, cause you have a common denominator, and that is 'well documented' config file, usable on any container. Well documented is the crux here for me. Or at least readily understandable. I've just had someon

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