Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-10-09 Thread Panos Dalakos
Hello all For my opinion ham radio is a hobby, and my personal goal is to improve my skill to achieve DX contacts. The rules of the game are known for every one. All of us are volunteers on that game. Many people have the religion that DXCC Honor Roll is the key to open the doors of glory. In

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-10-09 Thread Christian Schneider
SV1GRD wrote: My personal success is on my logbook and is valuable only for me. Ths sad truth: We even cannot rely on this value. We don´t know where the RX is situated of the station we are calling. I once worked in a 160m-contest with 50 W to a lowwire at 5m. None of the qsos reached out

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-10-08 Thread Peter Sundberg
, October 06, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating' hello Brendan, Perhaps this thread is too old, but I only now came across it, sorry if the subject has been beaten to death already. As you may know I have served my Perseus SDR receiver over the internet for almost

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-10-08 Thread Kostas Stamatis
, 2011 11:48 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating' Why should the general listener be punished because of some cheaters. A delay is not necessary; we just need ethical contesters. This is also no worse than contesters who use DX clusters or DX spots do locate DX stations. I'm

Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-10-08 Thread cris
To: Brendan Minish ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating' hello Brendan, Perhaps this thread is too old, but I only now came across it, sorry if the subject has been beaten to death already

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-10-07 Thread Thorvaldur Stefansson
hello Brendan, Perhaps this thread is too old, but I only now came across it, sorry if the subject has been beaten to death already. As you may know I have served my Perseus SDR receiver over the internet for almost a year - it never occurred to me that people would use it for cheating

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-10-07 Thread Jose E. Ribeiro Sa
the good oldfashioned way, a radio, antenna and 1.5 Kilowatt, Hi! 73 Jose CT1EEB - Original Message - From: Thorvaldur Stefansson otrada...@gmail.com To: Brendan Minish ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-10-07 Thread Roger D Johnson
Speaking as one who lives in the US, there used to be a 275 mile (approx 450km) limit for counting QSOs for DXCC. If you moved more than that distance, you had to start your DXCC over again. Personally, I think that was too restrictive but removing the limit entirely is worse! Conditions from

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-10-07 Thread ct1ilt
- Original Message - From: Thorvaldur Stefansson otrada...@gmail.com To: Brendan Minish ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com; topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating' hello Brendan, Perhaps this thread is too old, but I only now

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-10-07 Thread mstangelo
infrastructure when making QSO's. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Kostas Stamatis sv1...@otenet.gr To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:58:55 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating' Anyone who makes available his sdr without delay, just helps cheaters. We

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-12 Thread Bob Kupps
: Web SDR's and 'Cheating' To: Bob Kupps n...@yahoo.com Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 11:54 AM Bob, Would you have us believe that ethics, integrity and honor are optional?   People have been disqualified from the DXCC program for less. Dave Heil K8MN On 2/11/2011 03 21, Bob Kupps wrote

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-12 Thread W2PM
Thats a great use Herb .. FWIW - I am not a contester or an awards collector but I am a serious dx'er. Technology concerns aside for how the various new things can be abused, I really think the single issue affecting ham radio is poor behaviors. Whether senseless pileup calling, illegal

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-12 Thread Dick Green WC1M
.. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Dick Green WC1M wc1...@gmail.com To: 'Robert McGwier' rwmcgw...@gmail.com; Tree t...@kkn.net Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating' Your SDR was effectively

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-11 Thread Mark
Hi Brendan, This all seems unethical. To me these are bogus QSO's. This is a radio hobby, not a professional business. If the radiocontact isn't possible, so be it. Better luck next time and perhaps even more motivation and fun then. 73 Mark, PA5MW On 10 feb. 2011, at 21:38, Brendan

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-11 Thread G4GED Dave
Brendan EI6IZ Wrote .last night however I took a listen to what the connected user was listening to, It turns out that the connected user was a DX station utilising my SDR to work 160m SSB. He had a pileup of EU stations and was utilising my SDR to better hear his pileup. Surely this is

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-11 Thread Jorge Diez - CX6VM
- De: topband-boun...@contesting.com [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] En nombre de Brendan Minish Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Febrero de 2011 06:38 p.m. Para: topband@contesting.com Asunto: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating' Hello all I have a Software Defined Receiver (SDR) that I make available

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-11 Thread R. Kevin Stover
Of course it's wrong. Why not take the radio all the way out of it, use Skype or CQ100, and call it radio? I'd be interested to know what the sponsors of the Top Band awards have to say about it. On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:38:27 + Brendan Minish ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all I

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-11 Thread Jon Zaimes AA1K
absolutely an ethical violation! in a contest of course most rules forbid it. perhaps that's a different game, with different rules like talking on the telephone. 73/Jon AA1K www.aa1k.us On 2/10/2011 15:38 PM, Brendan Minish wrote: It turns out that the connected user was a DX station

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-11 Thread Tree
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 07:21:26PM -0800, Bob Kupps wrote: What is the ethical position on this, it sure seems wrong to me What country are the people really working with their radio? There is not a two way exchange of information with someone in a single country - therefore - no QSO. The DX

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-11 Thread W2PM
Why not just use SKYPE? Could have a packaged service which includes band noise, QRM, etc. Like Dr DX but via SKYPE. QST can do a full tech review. For once it may be meaningful too. Sent from my iPad On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:17, Tree t...@kkn.net wrote: On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 07:21:26PM

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-11 Thread Brendan Minish
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 16:29 +1300, Greg - ZL3IX wrote: I am also a member of the SDR community (HPSDR) and I have had several disputes with the proponents of remote SDR receivers. I have requested that they put long time delays, say 15s, into the audio path, but they refuse to do so on

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-11 Thread Robert McGwier
As a Software Radio Developer and chair of the ARRL Software Defined Radio and Digital Communications technical committee, as a DXCC recipient, contester, and as a ham radio operator period, I abhor this misuse of the technology. Boo Hiss indeed. Bob N4HY On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Tree

Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-11 Thread Ken Claerbout
Who among us is surprised? Almost all of the new technology tools (SDR, chatroom, Spectran, etc.) while intriguing and fun to operate, can be used to make QSO's that would not otherwise be made. I personally have no interest in working DX that way. It removes some of the challenge that drew

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-11 Thread Dick Green WC1M
...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 1:27 PM To: Tree Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating' As a Software Radio Developer and chair of the ARRL Software Defined Radio and Digital Communications technical committee, as a DXCC recipient, contester

Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

2011-02-11 Thread ZR
a log.. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Dick Green WC1M wc1...@gmail.com To: 'Robert McGwier' rwmcgw...@gmail.com; Tree t...@kkn.net Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating' Your SDR was effectively a remote