Re: Topband: Speaking of Noises...

[Jim Clymer]

Tim, Bill, thanks for posting the files. FWIW: I'm hearing it this evening
on both 80 and 160. The sounds on both bands are essentially identical --
as far as this tired old audio engineer can discern.
Now the kicker... in real time they sound almost nothing like the recording
Tim forwarded. Perhaps if I slowed the playback to about 1/4 speed it would
be closer. Still am hearing only 4 pulses.
Next step is to listen with a wide bandwidth.
Thanks all.
Jim - WS6X
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Re: Topband: Speaking of Noises...

[Charlie Young]

Thanks for this discussion guys.

For years I have head a sound similar to the recording by N3QE but it is not 
exactly the same.   Mine sounds more like the one described by WS6X.  The four 
bursts/spacing interval between the bursts seems longer than on N3QE’s 
recording. Didn’t give it much thought but always assumed it might be local 
to me.  The other day I was on the phone with a friend 20 miles away and heard 
the noise over his receiver as it came across my receiver.

I have not measured the interval between transmissions, but tonight it has been 
very active on 160 and 80M.   Guessing at the interval, maybe every 3 to 5 
minutes but could be closer.

Now I know what it is.  Thanks again for the info.

73 Charlie N8RR

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From: Bill Tippett
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 4:34 PM
To: Tim Shoppa; topband
Cc: ws6x@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Speaking of Noises...

Tim N3QE was on the money regarding the Wallops Island (VA) Dynasonde,
although the 160 version sounds lower in pitch and is longer in duration.
That's probably because at lower frequencies the pulses need to be
proportionally longer to get the required resolution.  It's definitely
wideband as seen on a spectrum display.  It's also easily strong enough to
cover DX signals (I'd estimate S7 here).  I had several instances this
weekend of needing call or exchange repeats due to its untimely appearance
(e.g. W4ZV TU 599 *)

Here's the graphical output of the sounder:

https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsurf.colorado.edu%2FWI937.dcc=02%7C01%7C%7Cc7917c4c047e4345ad8608d57a3bfdcc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636549320429519785=2CJRy55j9GDXaUy7cBEnI97ojUhyDTghHPfhQTFXzbU%3D=0

Your tax dollars at work generating QRM on Topband!

73,  Bill  W4ZV


On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:50 PM, Tim Shoppa  wrote:

> Here is a recording (made on 80M a few years ago but sounds substantially
> the same on 160M) of what I'm told is the Wallops Island Ionosonde:
>
> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fn3qe.org%2Fwumwum_80M.wav=02%7C01%7C%7Cc7917c4c047e4345ad8608d57a3bfdcc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636549320429519785=MnV%2FdSNhjARwIffe0D1S2glk4dBeHSYz3%2Bd4VKtzaIE%3D=0
>
> Here is the waveform showing 4 louder cycles followed by three softer
> cycles:
>
> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fn3qe.org%2Fwumwum.png=02%7C01%7C%7Cc7917c4c047e4345ad8608d57a3bfdcc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636549320429519785=jPbuQ971%2B3dVlZTsJ3KsmUPxp68rW6YPLAUffx%2Fb7sA%3D=0
>
> If you look at the second panel of the waveform, you see a 20Hz
> substructure in the pulses.
>
> Even though I'm sitting in once place with a 2.4kHz filter making this
> recording, I understand that the actual spectrum occupied is wider and it
> cycles through the bands repeating on a several minute cycle.
>
> Tim N3QE
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Jim - WS6X  wrote:
>
>> I too, am curious as to the source. I heard it for many years in Central
>> California; hear it at my current QTH in Central Shenandoah Valley; and
>> heard it last weekend at NR4M.
>> I describe it as a scratchy sound, sometimes with a bit of tonality.
>> Always 4 pulses (although I don't think I've ever heard the 4 followed by 3
>> as Bill describes.). I've never timed the interval between the groups of 4,
>> but it is fairly infrequent. I'll hear it throughout the evening when I'm
>> at the radio for long periods. It is loud enough on 160 here in VA that it
>> will wipe out all but the strongest signals. I will have to pay more
>> attention to details and record when I hear it.
>> I wish I was better at phonics, but what I hear has distinct articulation:
>> "Gugghk  gugghk gugghk gugghk". 
>> Jim, WS6X
>>
>> 1. Speaking of noises... (Bill Tippett)
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 12:48:20 -0500
>> From: Bill Tippett 
>> To: topband 
>> Subject: Topband: Speaking of noises...
>>
>> Does anyone know the source of periodic wideband buzzes that sound like
>> this:
>>
>> buzzz..buzzz..buzzz..buzzz (i.e. 4X then pause)  buz..buz..buz (3X ~10 dB
>> down).
>>
>> I believe this may be some sort of ionospheric sounder but I've heard
>> this for decades, including when I was in Colorado.  Hopefully someone
>> knows what's generating this.
>>
>> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>>
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Re: Topband: Speaking of Noises...

[Bill Tippett]

Tim N3QE was on the money regarding the Wallops Island (VA) Dynasonde,
although the 160 version sounds lower in pitch and is longer in duration.
That's probably because at lower frequencies the pulses need to be
proportionally longer to get the required resolution.  It's definitely
wideband as seen on a spectrum display.  It's also easily strong enough to
cover DX signals (I'd estimate S7 here).  I had several instances this
weekend of needing call or exchange repeats due to its untimely appearance
(e.g. W4ZV TU 599 *)

Here's the graphical output of the sounder:

http://surf.colorado.edu/WI937.dcc

Your tax dollars at work generating QRM on Topband!

73,  Bill  W4ZV


On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:50 PM, Tim Shoppa  wrote:

> Here is a recording (made on 80M a few years ago but sounds substantially
> the same on 160M) of what I'm told is the Wallops Island Ionosonde:
>
> http://n3qe.org/wumwum_80M.wav
>
> Here is the waveform showing 4 louder cycles followed by three softer
> cycles:
>
> http://n3qe.org/wumwum.png
>
> If you look at the second panel of the waveform, you see a 20Hz
> substructure in the pulses.
>
> Even though I'm sitting in once place with a 2.4kHz filter making this
> recording, I understand that the actual spectrum occupied is wider and it
> cycles through the bands repeating on a several minute cycle.
>
> Tim N3QE
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Jim - WS6X  wrote:
>
>> I too, am curious as to the source. I heard it for many years in Central
>> California; hear it at my current QTH in Central Shenandoah Valley; and
>> heard it last weekend at NR4M.
>> I describe it as a scratchy sound, sometimes with a bit of tonality.
>> Always 4 pulses (although I don't think I've ever heard the 4 followed by 3
>> as Bill describes.). I've never timed the interval between the groups of 4,
>> but it is fairly infrequent. I'll hear it throughout the evening when I'm
>> at the radio for long periods. It is loud enough on 160 here in VA that it
>> will wipe out all but the strongest signals. I will have to pay more
>> attention to details and record when I hear it.
>> I wish I was better at phonics, but what I hear has distinct articulation:
>> "Gugghk  gugghk gugghk gugghk". 
>> Jim, WS6X
>>
>> 1. Speaking of noises... (Bill Tippett)
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 12:48:20 -0500
>> From: Bill Tippett 
>> To: topband 
>> Subject: Topband: Speaking of noises...
>>
>> Does anyone know the source of periodic wideband buzzes that sound like
>> this:
>>
>> buzzz..buzzz..buzzz..buzzz (i.e. 4X then pause)  buz..buz..buz (3X ~10 dB
>> down).
>>
>> I believe this may be some sort of ionospheric sounder but I've heard
>> this for decades, including when I was in Colorado.  Hopefully someone
>> knows what's generating this.
>>
>> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>>
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>
>
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Re: Topband: Speaking of Noises...

[Jeff Kincaid]

I think I'm hearing two groups of four bursts, with the first burst from the 
second transmitter coinciding with the last burst from the first transmitter.  
Anyone agree?
Jeff W6JK 

On Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:51 AM, Tim Shoppa  
wrote:
 

 Here is a recording (made on 80M a few years ago but sounds substantially
the same on 160M) of what I'm told is the Wallops Island Ionosonde:

http://n3qe.org/wumwum_80M.wav

Here is the waveform showing 4 louder cycles followed by three softer
cycles:

http://n3qe.org/wumwum.png

If you look at the second panel of the waveform, you see a 20Hz
substructure in the pulses.

Even though I'm sitting in once place with a 2.4kHz filter making this
recording, I understand that the actual spectrum occupied is wider and it
cycles through the bands repeating on a several minute cycle.

Tim N3QE



On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Jim - WS6X  wrote:

> I too, am curious as to the source. I heard it for many years in Central
> California; hear it at my current QTH in Central Shenandoah Valley; and
> heard it last weekend at NR4M.
> I describe it as a scratchy sound, sometimes with a bit of tonality.
> Always 4 pulses (although I don't think I've ever heard the 4 followed by 3
> as Bill describes.). I've never timed the interval between the groups of 4,
> but it is fairly infrequent. I'll hear it throughout the evening when I'm
> at the radio for long periods. It is loud enough on 160 here in VA that it
> will wipe out all but the strongest signals. I will have to pay more
> attention to details and record when I hear it.
> I wish I was better at phonics, but what I hear has distinct articulation:
> "Gugghk  gugghk gugghk gugghk". 
> Jim, WS6X
>
> 1. Speaking of noises... (Bill Tippett)
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 12:48:20 -0500
> From: Bill Tippett 
> To: topband 
> Subject: Topband: Speaking of noises...
>
> Does anyone know the source of periodic wideband buzzes that sound like
> this:
>
> buzzz..buzzz..buzzz..buzzz (i.e. 4X then pause)  buz..buz..buz (3X ~10 dB
> down).
>
> I believe this may be some sort of ionospheric sounder but I've heard this
> for decades, including when I was in Colorado.  Hopefully someone knows
> what's generating this.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>
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Re: Topband: Speaking of Noises...

[Tim Shoppa]

Here is a recording (made on 80M a few years ago but sounds substantially
the same on 160M) of what I'm told is the Wallops Island Ionosonde:

http://n3qe.org/wumwum_80M.wav

Here is the waveform showing 4 louder cycles followed by three softer
cycles:

http://n3qe.org/wumwum.png

If you look at the second panel of the waveform, you see a 20Hz
substructure in the pulses.

Even though I'm sitting in once place with a 2.4kHz filter making this
recording, I understand that the actual spectrum occupied is wider and it
cycles through the bands repeating on a several minute cycle.

Tim N3QE



On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Jim - WS6X  wrote:

> I too, am curious as to the source. I heard it for many years in Central
> California; hear it at my current QTH in Central Shenandoah Valley; and
> heard it last weekend at NR4M.
> I describe it as a scratchy sound, sometimes with a bit of tonality.
> Always 4 pulses (although I don't think I've ever heard the 4 followed by 3
> as Bill describes.). I've never timed the interval between the groups of 4,
> but it is fairly infrequent. I'll hear it throughout the evening when I'm
> at the radio for long periods. It is loud enough on 160 here in VA that it
> will wipe out all but the strongest signals. I will have to pay more
> attention to details and record when I hear it.
> I wish I was better at phonics, but what I hear has distinct articulation:
> "Gugghk  gugghk gugghk gugghk". 
> Jim, WS6X
>
> 1. Speaking of noises... (Bill Tippett)
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 12:48:20 -0500
> From: Bill Tippett 
> To: topband 
> Subject: Topband: Speaking of noises...
>
> Does anyone know the source of periodic wideband buzzes that sound like
> this:
>
> buzzz..buzzz..buzzz..buzzz (i.e. 4X then pause)  buz..buz..buz (3X ~10 dB
> down).
>
> I believe this may be some sort of ionospheric sounder but I've heard this
> for decades, including when I was in Colorado.  Hopefully someone knows
> what's generating this.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>
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Re: Topband: Speaking of Noises...

[Jim - WS6X]

I too, am curious as to the source. I heard it for many years in Central 
California; hear it at my current QTH in Central Shenandoah Valley; and heard 
it last weekend at NR4M.
I describe it as a scratchy sound, sometimes with a bit of tonality. Always 4 
pulses (although I don't think I've ever heard the 4 followed by 3 as Bill 
describes.). I've never timed the interval between the groups of 4, but it is 
fairly infrequent. I'll hear it throughout the evening when I'm at the radio 
for long periods. It is loud enough on 160 here in VA that it will wipe out all 
but the strongest signals. I will have to pay more attention to details and 
record when I hear it.
I wish I was better at phonics, but what I hear has distinct articulation:
"Gugghk  gugghk gugghk gugghk". 
Jim, WS6X

1. Speaking of noises... (Bill Tippett)
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 12:48:20 -0500
From: Bill Tippett 
To: topband 
Subject: Topband: Speaking of noises...

Does anyone know the source of periodic wideband buzzes that sound like
this:

buzzz..buzzz..buzzz..buzzz (i.e. 4X then pause)  buz..buz..buz (3X ~10 dB down).

I believe this may be some sort of ionospheric sounder but I've heard this for 
decades, including when I was in Colorado.  Hopefully someone knows what's 
generating this.

73,  Bill  W4ZV

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Topband: 160 activity night

[Tom Boucher]

Sorry guys, I thought I posted the following about a month ago. Must be a long 
delay echo on the 160 reflector!

Tom G3OLB

Just to say that I wholeheartedly endorse Roger's comments on repeat 160 metre 
contacts. We are not all certificate hunters and many are only too happy to 
rag-chew. In 58 years on top band, I have no idea of my DXCC score but it's 
quite a few. So please Mark K3MSB and all you others who are frightened of 
answering CQs from someone you may have worked before, if you hear us on please 
give us a shout even if just for old times sake! Don’s (WD8DSB) experience is 
very sad and the other guy must be a complete moron. How long does it take for 
a minimal QSO, RST + name?

I'm not sure I can climb out of the sack at Z or 0300Z on a Wednesday 
though Roger!


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Re: Topband: Wednesday 160m DX Activity Night

[rayn6vr]

Ken,Good catch! Heard i u calling uk9aa but never heard him. He's been spotted 
a lot but it would take some very special /weird condx for us to hear him.
Otherwise, checked the band several times but never heard EU last nigjt, 0500 - 
0800z, EU SR.
Ray,Near Prescott, AZ


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 Original message From: Kenneth Grimm  Date: 
2/22/18  6:03 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: Roger Kennedy  
Cc: topband  Subject: Re: Topband: Wednesday 160m DX 
Activity Night 
Thanks for the QSO Roger.  If it were not for your exhortation to be on the
band on Wednesday evenings, I would have missed a QSO with UK9AA.  That's a
fairly rare one from this side of the pond.

73,

Ken - K4XL

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:48 AM, Roger Kennedy <
ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk> wrote:

> Well conditions were strange last night . . .
>
> Generally poor propagation . . . and high background noise here (even on my
> Rx aerial) - apologies if you were one of the stations I heard calling, but
> couldn't pull out of the noise.
>
> However, I did manage to work 16 NA stations in the 2 hours I stayed on,
> including across to Texas.
>
> What was more weird was some of my RBN reports from NA stations (which I
> often view when the band's quiet, to check propagation) - several gave me
> over 40dB above the noise, one even +48dB !
>
> Thanks to everyone who came on (inc several EU stations) . . .
>
> I shall be on at the weekend, and certainly next Wednesday again.
>
> 73 Roger G3YRO
>
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Re: Topband: 160m DX Activity Night

[F6FYA via Topband]

‎Hello to All of you,

For me, you can call me any time when you want ! I Will be very pleased to 
answer, to say "hello" and to know how is my  new signal report at your station 
!

Will be this week end, not on top band, for the french contest as TM5OTT for 
"Old Timer's Team". 

Best 73. 

Jean-Paul, F6FYA.

Envoyé de mon smartphone BlackBerry 10 sur le réseau Orange working on the 160 
m vertical ant adaptation.
  Message d'origine  
De: Tom Boucher
Envoyé: jeudi 22 février 2018 10:29
À: topband@contesting.com
Objet: Topband: 160m DX Activity Night

Just to say that I wholeheartedly endorse Roger’s comments on repeat 160 metre 
contacts. We are not all certificate hunters and many are only too happy to 
rag-chew. In 58 years on top band, I have no idea of my DXCC score but it’s 
quite a few. So please Mark K3MSB and all you others who are frightened of 
answering CQs from someone you may have worked before, if you hear us on please 
give us a shout even if just for old times sake! Don’s (WD8DSB) experience is 
very sad and the other guy must be a complete moron. How long does it take for 
a minimal QSO, RST + name?

I’m not sure I can climb out of the sack at Z or 0300Z on a Wednesday 
though Roger!

73,
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Re: Topband: Wednesday 160m DX Activity Night

[Mark K3MSB]

Roger G3YRO and a French station (F6AGM?) made it into the log.I heard
several other EU stations with nice signals but did not work them as they
were in QSO and my operating time was only during TV commercials as I was
watching the Olympics.

I worked UK9AA last month and tried to work him again last night;  twice he
came back and faded into the noise so I was unable to log him again.

I second Ken’s comments about Roger and the Wednesday activity night!
Great idea Roger!

73 Mark K3MSB


On Feb 22, 2018 8:04 AM, "Kenneth Grimm"  wrote:

> Thanks for the QSO Roger.  If it were not for your exhortation to be on the
> band on Wednesday evenings, I would have missed a QSO with UK9AA.  That's a
> fairly rare one from this side of the pond.
>
> 73,
>
> Ken - K4XL
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:48 AM, Roger Kennedy <
> ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Well conditions were strange last night . . .
> >
> > Generally poor propagation . . . and high background noise here (even on
> my
> > Rx aerial) - apologies if you were one of the stations I heard calling,
> but
> > couldn't pull out of the noise.
> >
> > However, I did manage to work 16 NA stations in the 2 hours I stayed on,
> > including across to Texas.
> >
> > What was more weird was some of my RBN reports from NA stations (which I
> > often view when the band's quiet, to check propagation) - several gave me
> > over 40dB above the noise, one even +48dB !
> >
> > Thanks to everyone who came on (inc several EU stations) . . .
> >
> > I shall be on at the weekend, and certainly next Wednesday again.
> >
> > 73 Roger G3YRO
> >
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>
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Re: Topband: 160m DX Activity Night

[VK3HJ]

I am happy to work anyone again, as many times as they choose to answer my 
CQ.


Just about every signal on Top Band is DX from this part of the world.

73,

Luke VK3HJ

-Original Message- 
From: Mark K3MSB

Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:20 PM
To: Roger Kennedy
Cc: topBand List
Subject: Re: Topband: 160m DX Activity Night

So what's the accepted practice of working stations again and again on 160M? 


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Re: Topband: Wednesday 160m DX Activity Night

[Kenneth Grimm]

Thanks for the QSO Roger.  If it were not for your exhortation to be on the
band on Wednesday evenings, I would have missed a QSO with UK9AA.  That's a
fairly rare one from this side of the pond.

73,

Ken - K4XL

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:48 AM, Roger Kennedy <
ro...@wessexproductions.co.uk> wrote:

> Well conditions were strange last night . . .
>
> Generally poor propagation . . . and high background noise here (even on my
> Rx aerial) - apologies if you were one of the stations I heard calling, but
> couldn't pull out of the noise.
>
> However, I did manage to work 16 NA stations in the 2 hours I stayed on,
> including across to Texas.
>
> What was more weird was some of my RBN reports from NA stations (which I
> often view when the band's quiet, to check propagation) - several gave me
> over 40dB above the noise, one even +48dB !
>
> Thanks to everyone who came on (inc several EU stations) . . .
>
> I shall be on at the weekend, and certainly next Wednesday again.
>
> 73 Roger G3YRO
>
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Topband: Wednesday 160m DX Activity Night

[Roger Kennedy]

Well conditions were strange last night . . .

Generally poor propagation . . . and high background noise here (even on my
Rx aerial) - apologies if you were one of the stations I heard calling, but
couldn't pull out of the noise.

However, I did manage to work 16 NA stations in the 2 hours I stayed on,
including across to Texas.

What was more weird was some of my RBN reports from NA stations (which I
often view when the band's quiet, to check propagation) - several gave me
over 40dB above the noise, one even +48dB !

Thanks to everyone who came on (inc several EU stations) . . . 

I shall be on at the weekend, and certainly next Wednesday again.

73 Roger G3YRO

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Topband: 160m DX Activity Night

[Tom Boucher]

Just to say that I wholeheartedly endorse Roger’s comments on repeat 160 metre 
contacts. We are not all certificate hunters and many are only too happy to 
rag-chew. In 58 years on top band, I have no idea of my DXCC score but it’s 
quite a few. So please Mark K3MSB and all you others who are frightened of 
answering CQs from someone you may have worked before, if you hear us on please 
give us a shout even if just for old times sake! Don’s (WD8DSB) experience is 
very sad and the other guy must be a complete moron. How long does it take for 
a minimal QSO, RST + name?

I’m not sure I can climb out of the sack at Z or 0300Z on a Wednesday 
though Roger!

73,
Tom G3OLB
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