Re: Topband: B7P

2024-04-04 Thread Rob Atkinson
>It must be that there aren't very many BY hams that live in rural areas with >low noise floors. Hopefully portable operations with verticals on the beach >will catch on there. They need to get phasing boxes and figure out how to use them -- those things can't fix everything but they can clear

Re: Topband: INV-L Radiation Patterns: 15 years of experiments with one

2024-01-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
50 foot high inv. L here; total length 120 feet; 101 radials on ground, but lengths vary from 10 feet to around 100 feet with most in the 20, 30, 50 foot lengths. Also I have an aluminum sided garage that I strapped into the ground system. Minimal reactance is at 1840 (I forget, but I think

Re: Topband: Inv L Radiation Patterns?

2024-01-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
A bit more field intensity extends in the direction opposite the direction of the horizontal part of the inverted L element. 73 Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: Using 4 - 6 elevated radials in lieu of 120 buried wires

2024-01-05 Thread Rob Atkinson
>The radial height above ground clearly did not need to be 50 feet,. It did >need to be high enough to easily be well above a tall truck, or more commonly, >a horseback rider. The advantage to this is that you can get away with wire composition (copper clad steel, or even aluminum if handled

Re: Topband: NCC-2 antenna pattern?

2023-12-18 Thread Rob Atkinson
Since I am on a 50 x 100 foot lot, it is impossible for me to separate my rx antennas from my tx antenna. Of course on transmit, preamps and the NCC1 are deactivated, but even so, the NCC1 had internal relay chatter (there are around nine PC board mounted relays inside). Small RF chokes in

Re: Topband: AM Broadcast Filter recommendation

2023-12-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
First, get some kind of portable receiver out and put it on 1820 and verify you are hearing the harmonic. I doubt it is being generated in your gear. You will probably hear it because you are only 2 miles from the tx site and if the station is running 5 or more KW they're likely suppressing the

Topband: ICE Model 135B Preamp

2023-11-09 Thread Rob Atkinson
>How do you operate QSK with that kind of setup ? I don't operate QSK but I am sure there are QSK ways of protecting preamps. This is a question for the QRO CW DX folks. Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector

Topband: ICE Model 135B Preamp

2023-11-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
On those ICE preamps, check the small dipped inductors, because they can blow open if the preamp is exposed to a high enough RF field. If your preamp is on a rx antenna and you are transmitting with ham QRO nearby that's enough to do it. IIRC powering down the preamp isn't enough. It has to be

Re: Topband: Digiwave feedline

2023-08-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
Okay thanks for the explanation. Rob K5UJ > Depends on the efficiency of the antenna and whether there's a preamp at > the feedpoint of those with low efficiency. It doesn't matter for higher > efficiency RX antennas like Beverages, or where local noise levels are > fairly high. And it doesn't

Re: Topband: Digiwave feedline

2023-08-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
>Al shields and CCS centers can be fairly lossy below VHF. CATV coax tends to >be much cheaper than the coax designed for transmitting, thanks both the the >lower cost construction and the extremely large market for it. Does this mean we are better off using something like RG8X with copper

Re: Topband: Topband cw - bugs rhythm, swing

2023-07-02 Thread Rob Atkinson
There were a few electronic key designs that surfaced in the '50s, maybe even late '40s, usually appearing in QST. But then Jim Ricks W9TO designed his TO Keyer which Halicrafters started manufacturing and that pretty much ended the other designs such as the MON-KEY. Vibroplex made a single lever

Re: Topband: AM broadcast multiplexing

2023-04-22 Thread Rob Atkinson
I am always amazed at the hams who will buy a home within sight of a broadcast tower. Rule no. 1 when looking for a new QTH is to find where all the AM and FM plants are and avoid them; especially QRO AMs vis a vis 160 and HF. I remember looking around the 670 site in Glendale Heights IL around

Re: Topband: How good is good enough

2022-11-12 Thread Rob Atkinson
>Just cut 20 more 70' radials. Time to go play in the yard. If that were all I could add, I'd switch them to 40 35' radials. The R component of my inverted L on around 1840 is 11 ohms. X is around 20. That's with 101 radials. I look for a R of at least 15 ohms where X is minimal on an

Re: Topband: Skirted vertical antennas for MF broadcast

2022-04-07 Thread Rob Atkinson
>I'm surprised that the broadcast industry is just discoving [sic] this topic. What makes you think it is just being discovered? Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector

Topband: What antenna would you build?

2022-03-24 Thread Rob Atkinson
Good question. I don't think you mentioned any cost limit. Given that I would put up a substantial self supporting commercial tower ~ 130' tall. Solid legs, 5 or 6' face tapering to 1 or 2 feet. Pyrod or similar. I'd put a skirt on it, 3 vertical wires on insulated standoffs with horizontal

Re: Topband: TV coax + F-connectors

2022-02-21 Thread Rob Atkinson
Good luck with that voltage breakdown rating for foam RG6 running high power through it and other than a flat line. As to the milliwatt loss on transmit, okay FB but on rx with microvolts, I'm already deaf and don't need for it to be any worse than it is. 73 Rob K5UJ _ Searchable

Re: Topband: F connector how-to video

2022-02-04 Thread Rob Atkinson
I know many will disagree but I wish the ham industry had never gone to RG6 and F plugs and jacks for filters, preamps and various rx antennas etc. I know that UHF/BNC/N take up more space and cost more but the feedline and connector series that works for broadcast TV, cable and broadcast FM

Re: Topband: Radials on ground v FCP

2022-01-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
I can't comment on the folded counterpoise because I am not familiar with it. The "broadcast model" which I take to mean 120 radials is used because in the case of a 90 degree tower on medium wave, the earth current intensity is far enough from the feed point to necessitate a higher number of

Re: Topband: Radials on ground

2022-01-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
For medium wave, every ham who transmits with a base excited vertical radiator should get a copy of _Radio-Electronic Transmission Fundamentals_ by B. Whitfield Griffith, Jr. 2nd ed., Noble Pub. Co., Atlanta Ga., c2000, ISBN 1884932134. 638 p. Griffith is a retired principal engineer with

Re: Topband: Need antenna help

2021-12-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
The problem with adding a top wire to your 43 foot vertical is that it is probably not made to support a wire pulling on it at the top, unless it's cross section is uniform and it is guyed at the mid-point and top so it doesn't pull over. What is often done in this situation is that a trap is

Topband: Horrendous Local Noise

2021-11-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
>Well he drove the 100 miles up here and arrived with a colleague about 2pm, spent a while in the shack listening to the noise, and monitoring it on their equipment connected to my Top Band dipole. After about 45 minutes they both went out in the street, and an hour later they came back to say

Re: Topband: cheap radial wire?

2021-11-09 Thread Rob Atkinson
> Dog electronic fence wire via ebay. Bad idea, except maybe for field day or some other temporary setup due to rust. Also, long thin runs of steel may not return RF well. For permanence it's a lot better to invest in 3000 feet copper that can provide sixty 50 foot radials. That will at least

Re: Topband: Balloon Supported Vertical

2021-11-09 Thread Rob Atkinson
I'd look into some kind of drone for this. Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: Anyone using a NCC-1 with 2 magnetic RX loops?

2021-10-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
I have a NCC-1 with a pair of rotatable pixel loops. I have one filter in the NCC-1, a high pass broadcast band filter. It really hits the stations around 1000 and below. Doesn't have much attenuation near the top of the band but the problem stations are down below 1200 here (Chicago). 73 Rob

Re: Topband: Inv L corner insulator

2021-09-26 Thread Rob Atkinson
My hunch is that your problem is the wire you are using. My inv. L is strung with hard drawn 7 strand bare AWG 14 copper. Multi-strand or solid soft drawn will probably break on you eventually. 73 Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband

Re: Topband: Question on active vertical spacing

2021-08-07 Thread Rob Atkinson
My rx antennas are around 40 to 50 feet separated. I get good peaks and nulls on 160 and the top of the AM broadcast band. 80 m. doesn't work as well. But 160 is where you really want it to work. That's where noise is a big problem. Use a groundwave broadcast station on 1400 or higher to

Topband: RX loop antenna RX protector

2021-06-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
You probably have a preamp on your rx loop. The first thing to do is kill the dc to it on transmit to shut it down. I have an Airspy HF+Discovery SDR which has a fragile front end. To keep tx RF out of it, in addition to shutting down the preamps, I put a pair of coax relays in series, the

Re: Topband: Shunt-fed Tower Ground Ring Insulators

2021-05-13 Thread Rob Atkinson
Tower base concrete should not be in series between the tower and ground. There should not be a voltage gradient across the concrete base. All ground paths should be strapped around the concrete base. 73 Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband -

Topband: Hygain hytower on 160

2021-05-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
No personal experience but I've heard repeatedly over the years that the inverted L kit works way better than the loading coil. This makes sense. I think the inverted L kit consists of a trap you hang off the top of the BX section. You probably supply the wire but on that I'm not sure. I

Topband: NCC-2 for phasing RX antennas

2021-05-05 Thread Rob Atkinson
If you are having a problem it would be faster if you wrote what your problem is. Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: Adding 80 m to 160 m quarterwave vertical

2021-04-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
A ham can certainly try a voltage fed 180 degree vertical, but the physical conditions at the feedpoint change dramatically because it's quite possible a few KV of RF v. will be there, unlike what we have with a current maxima at the feedpoint. So insulation and keeping surfaces dry become much

Topband: Elementary Inverted L questions

2021-03-26 Thread Rob Atkinson
>I have been trying to replace my inverted L, which broke a few weeks ago, and >am having all sorts of puzzlements. Please be kind - I was a history major. 1. > The inverted L broke at the turn, so I went looking for sturdier >wire. I >wound up with some #14 insulated recommended by our local

Re: Topband: Ground Radial question - Perimeter connections

2021-03-26 Thread Rob Atkinson
It depends. If you have two or more verticals for a phased antenna, and full length radials, the points where the ground systems intersect is where the radials should be terminated and bonded to copper strap running along the boundary where they cross each other. If you have an out building in

Re: Topband: New Subject: 160M array feedline question

2021-03-23 Thread Rob Atkinson
Inspect your feedline you plan to use (sounds like it is Heliax) and make sure the jacket is undamaged. If it is okay, you can bury it or just lay it on the ground and it won't matter if water covers it. Of more concern is keeping the junction where the feedline divides dry. If you use enough

Re: Topband: New Inv-L Questions

2021-03-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
To clarify: > The sign your antenna is efficient will be a > narrow R and X sweet spot. R should drop down to around 14 ohms and > (depending on the length of the driven element) X should hit zero over > a few kc. I should have written: X should hit zero over a few kc at some point in the

Topband: New Inv-L Questions

2021-03-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
> My questions are these - is a > relatively flat curve to be expected, or a sign of something wrong? A flat curve is to be expected and it's a sign something is wrong. And that something is that you do not have nearly enough radials in your ground system. Your radials are on the ground. Such a

Re: Topband: The WD8DSB mini-flag antenna

2021-02-24 Thread Rob Atkinson
Bi-directional loops lose their directivity for the most part, when being applied to skywave signals. Is this mini-flag still unidirectional on skywave? I would think not, but must ask. 73 Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector

Topband: 160 Receiving Loops source?

2021-02-04 Thread Rob Atkinson
How much is "affordable?" I mean, if you pay junk money, you'll probably get ... disappointment either right away or after a few months. A possible exception is some place warm all year with no broadcast stations nearby, so fixing and improving any time is easy. OTOH if you are in blizzard

Re: Topband: S meters

2021-01-19 Thread Rob Atkinson
I estimate that my receiving loops are 20 or 30 dB down from a full sized antenna such as a 1/2 wave dipole at 50 or 60 feet, an antenna that a lot of casual operators use (often to their detriment) on 160 m. Sometimes I'll just add 30 dB to the S meter reading. Alternatively, I'll tell the guy

Re: Topband: Cage wire performance

2021-01-04 Thread Rob Atkinson
The problem with cages isn't electrical; the thing to consider is physical. If you are in an area where you can have ice you have to consider if your cage and its supports are strong enough to hold ice under high winds. You don't want a relatively inexpensive wire cage to pull down more costly

Topband: standoff for inv L

2020-12-27 Thread Rob Atkinson
I've used a PVC pipe around 1.5 or 2" o.d. and ~ 3 feet long, for the past 11 years. No problems so far but it is braced with dacron from the insulator end, back up to the mast a few feet above where the PVC is clamped to the mast. Mine is unprotected from sun but the sun exposure is less in

Topband: Low Dipoles

2020-12-18 Thread Rob Atkinson
> I do take offence at people suggesting that I am somehow lying about the > results I have always had with a 160m Dipole at 50ft ! I don't think anyone believes you are lying, but perhaps instead, that you seem to imply that your experience can be generalized and that you are therefore,

Re: Topband: I need help proofing an Inverted L model I made please. 40

2020-12-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
> IMHO, for that number, on-the-ground radials do not need to be anywhere near > that long. Personally, I subscribe to the same-length-as-the-vertical > guideline. The only thing about this I advise in the way of a change is something W1BB recommended, which was that the radials on the ground

Re: Topband: I need help proofing an Inverted L model I made please. 40

2020-12-10 Thread Rob Atkinson
I've never understood what is gained by using a balun at the feedpoint in this application. The feedline is unbalanced as is the load. What's the point of a balun. The wild variations in R and X over the range of the band will likely result in heat and loss at the balun. If the point is to

Topband: Good valve homebrew rig

2020-12-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
Are you sure you want to homebrew a vacuum tube _transceiver?_ How about starting with a separate transmitter and receiver? A tube CW transmitter for 160 is certainly feasible. A transceiver is too in theory at least, but kind of a tall order. If you pull that off, you'll certainly have my

Re: Topband: Stainless Steel for coil taps.

2020-11-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
> There was also some mention to the effect that nickel was > a "non-ferrous" metal and therefore would be good at RF. > Nothing could be further from the truth. Although technically > "non-ferrous", nickel is nevertheless "ferromagnetic". > I once measured some nickel strap material for RF loss

Re: Topband: Stainless Steel for coil taps.

2020-11-16 Thread Rob Atkinson
> Rob, are you implying that I shouldn't use a steel lattice tower to conduct > RF as a radiator? Good question and I wondered the same thing. Firstly not "implying" that at all. It comes down to mass and surface area. The problem with steel, iron, etc. is when you have a lot of RF current

Topband: Stainless Steel for coil taps.

2020-11-16 Thread Rob Atkinson
We all learn this sooner or later: Don't use ferrous metals to conduct RF. If a metal fails the magnet test, it's out. Every time I get some item of homebrew or something that's had a previous owner, (transmitter or matching network) I go through with a magnet and see if a previous owner or

Topband: OT - Bonding Radials at Intersections

2020-11-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
Scroll down to drawing 5 and 6 to see the proper way of handing intersecting radials. http://www.hatdaw.com/papers/groundsystem.pdf 73 Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: CW Activity

2020-09-07 Thread Rob Atkinson
If you want to find out about QRN somewhere you don't have to ask on an email list. You can just go to windy.com or www.lightningmaps.org and see for yourself. Also lightningmaps has a gray line plot so you can see where dawn and dusk are. Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives:

Re: Topband: Rohn 25 Vertical questions.

2020-08-19 Thread Rob Atkinson
The proper way to use a tower like yours as a base excited monopole is to construct a pier of concrete with a bottom plate pin bowl that is steel and bonded to copper strap that goes down on each of four sides of the pier to the ground ring. The reason for this is so that there is no voltage

Re: Topband: Windows 10 Update heads up

2020-08-16 Thread Rob Atkinson
Seems to me that for the money hams pay Flex in that annual service fee, (or is it monthly?) you ought to get professional Windows maintenance. There are ex-MS techs out there who can be hired. I've had a Mac at home for the past 15 years at least. Since 2008 it's been a mac mini. So far,

Re: Topband: 1610 KHz AM Channel in USA

2020-07-05 Thread Rob Atkinson
Tnx for clarification. > I don't know what "noise is usually AM" means. Hi, I guess I was thinking of RFI from appliances and arcing contacts on power lines. 73 Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: 1610 KHz AM Channel in USA

2020-07-04 Thread Rob Atkinson
>All of this success for BCB listening doesn't mean jack on 160 meters. >On the BCB, you are never fighting noise, rather just separating different >stations. They did also do that on 160 meters, for example, letting me >work JA's even when stateside stations were also calling me. I'm not

Re: Topband: Adding connectoirs to CATV Hardline

2020-06-03 Thread Rob Atkinson
For 160 m. frequencies, connectors on hardline that preserve the geometry (Z) of the line aren't needed. You can dress the line (i.e. strip back the jacket and dielectric) and make connections to transmitters and loads with copper strap that's wrapped around the center and shield and held with

Re: Topband: 160m Vertical

2020-05-16 Thread Rob Atkinson
On 5/15/2020 8:27 AM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: ""A more reliable approach is a tuner in your shack. The extra coax cable loss from elevated VSWR is insignificant on topband."" We don't really have enough information to make that claim. First, you ought to get a copy of Radio-Electronic

Re: Topband: BCB Filter Recommendation?

2020-04-17 Thread Rob Atkinson
Most AM plants have been where they are for decades. I remember being at the local 670 site several years ago. That tx site has been there since the 1930s. This is a ~800 foot tower, now with two signals on it, 670 and 780, each 50 KW which means the total peak power on positive modulation is

Re: Topband: Ground Conductivity

2020-03-26 Thread Rob Atkinson
It is indeed true that variations in liquid soil moisture will dramatically affect ground system performance and base fed vertical impedance when an on, or below grade ground system is used. Frozen ground moisture is on a par with dry ground. This is one of the reasons for going beyond the

Topband: Receiver protectors.

2020-03-18 Thread Rob Atkinson
Last year I purchased an Airspy HF+ Discovery SD receiver. Eventually I got around to trying to use it with a second hand Windows laptop. I was concerned about blowing out the front end on transmit because I had heard of that happening with these receivers that are not designed exclusively for

Re: Topband: Restoring the Signal to Noise Ratio

2020-03-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
>This is only half tongue-in-cheek. >With the ambient noise going up, and there being limits to the size and cost >of receiving arrays most amateurs can build, the next logical step is to raise >the output power. Perhaps the FCC should be >petitioned to raise the legal >limit? They were

Re: Topband: .TX Mica Caps

2020-02-13 Thread Rob Atkinson
My opinion: the PCB scare is overblown, just like lead in paint, asbestos, etc. If you are intelligent about it, taking prudent precautions, PCB in caps and dummy loads should be fine. I'm sure hand wringers will weigh in with all kinds of nanny state far fetched what ifs, but I have PCBs

Re: Topband: Topband resource

2020-01-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
>So how is it that I consistently work all over the world on 160m with my >horizontal dipole at 50ft?! Oh boy, here we go again. As I believe I have pointed out before, your QTH is not that far from a fairly vast amount of salt water. You can believe anything you want, but your experience if

Re: Topband: FT-8 Contest would be great for Topband

2020-01-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
>Modes over last 2 hours Some may say this is nit picking but to me it is important: MOST of those so called modes listed are NOT different modes of transmission, they are digital protocols. A mode of transmission is a method for altering a RF carrier so it conveys information. CW is a mode.

Re: Topband: 160m vertical saltwater grounding

2020-01-09 Thread Rob Atkinson
Interesting information here: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Antenna%20Book%20Supplemental%20Files/22nd%20Edition/Seawater%20Grounds%20-%20by%20N6LF.pdf Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
Actually, if you have a quarter wave driven element and you are disconnecting it at the feedpoint, your relay concern shouldn't be voltage so much as current. Fast switching and large contact surface is more important than voltage handling. 73 Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives:

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
If you open the tx antenna feedline for rx, from my experience, you need to completely open the entire feedline, namely the coaxial cable shield as well as the center conductor. coaxial relays that maintain conductivity of the shield when N.O. won't detune/isolate the tx antenna. I use a pair

Re: Topband: spark gap construction ideas for 160m tower

2019-10-07 Thread Rob Atkinson
>Curious as why non resistor spark plugs aren't on the list of choices. Easy to >gap. Pt-Pt electrodes last forever (100k miles). There was a ham mounting two >on a Cu plate for ladder line, but that was many years ago. < That can work but the other construction methods offer a wider range of

Re: Topband: spark gap construction ideas for 160m tower

2019-10-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
There are a number of ways of making a ball gap. but more important is arriving at the correct spacing for the gap. The way rain is handled is usually by positioning the balls one above the other so a water bridge doesn't form between the balls. Read this by Mark Persons:

Re: Topband: Furnace RFI

2019-10-04 Thread Rob Atkinson
Went through this about 2 years ago. Firstly, define "efficient." If you mean over 90%, as in one of those two stage furnaces with PVC handling moisture then you are consigned to having to use a variable speed DC motor (there are no variable speed AC motors, only speed settings you set manually

Re: Topband: inverted l

2019-09-02 Thread Rob Atkinson
If you have a properly constructed typical inverted L, i.e. 50 or 60 foot vertical and similar length horizontal, AND a good ground system serving as the other half of the antenna, your feedpoint Z will be 10 to 20 ohms. The reason you need a matching network is that most coax (this assumes you

Re: Topband: RFI on TB

2019-07-25 Thread Rob Atkinson
>This has got to be on a case-by case basis. I don't have any listening >antennas, so i listen on my transmit vertical. It works fine. For me. Most >of the time. Would I hear more stuff with listening antennas? I bet the >answer is yes under certain conditions. Yes under certain

Re: Topband: RFI on TB

2019-07-23 Thread Rob Atkinson
> Over past few months, I have picked up an S5-S7 noise signature on my TB inv > L antenna with K2AV FCP system. I would not use an inverted L for receiving. Unusable for rx at my QTH but FB for transmitting. 73 Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Topband: FT-8 My Recent Experience

2019-05-29 Thread Rob Atkinson
> I can't get into any computer mode, mainly because I've been a software >engineer for almost 40 year and dealing with computers at home is a >non-starter with me.I like ARC-5s, BC-348s, and Navy RBB's >myself.. Same here. Computer science major; 30 years in front of monitors and

Topband: Voltage at top of vertical and scaling?

2019-04-18 Thread Rob Atkinson
I'd also put RF chokes in series with the DC relay lines, at the base of the vertical antenna to further keep RF off it but also to break it up so the relay line doesn't detune the 80 m. vertical, perhaps with another pair at the shack entrance. All this sure seems like a lot of work which is

Re: Topband: Lack of Activity

2019-02-15 Thread Rob Atkinson
There's activity and then there's "activity." I take it that "activity" in this discussion really means DX. It so happens that there's other kinds of operating going on on 160 m. besides DX chasing if you can tolerate the tedium and torture of an enjoyable ragchew with an ordinary ham nearby.

Re: Topband: Inverted L improvement question

2019-01-07 Thread Rob Atkinson
> It doesn't work very well. Last night it was much poorer on receive and > transmit than my existing 43' vertical setup. I'm not sure what to think. Your fundamental problem is a lack of understanding of how a monopole works, specifically a base fed vertical with a ground system. Anyone who

Re: Topband: Inverted L improvement question - Part 2

2018-12-30 Thread Rob Atkinson
Hmmmyou DID relocate or rebuild your ground system so it converges on a point below the bottom of the 100 foot tall wire right? I mean, you aren't using the 43 foot vert. ground system with the 100' wire? A series fed vertical isn't rocket science so let's not over think this. If it doesn't

Topband: RF in the DX Eng. NCC-1 (and a fix)

2018-12-24 Thread Rob Atkinson
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year: On 160 m. (probably due to the close proximity to my inverted L) my NCC-1 rx antenna phasing box would snap crackle and pop on transmit, most likely the result of RF getting into the nine relay coils inside. If you employ phased rx antennas and a tx antenna,

Re: Topband: Inverted L improvement question

2018-12-19 Thread Rob Atkinson
If your inverted L is any good at all it will suck as a receiving antenna. This is one of the key things to accept about medium wave but many casual 160 m. operators can't wrap their heads around it. A flame throwing tx antenna will probably have a completely unacceptable noise level on

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
Some of you fellows who want to use Ns may benefit from this hint and kink: https://www.radioworld.com/columns-and-views/repair-and-protect-type-n-connectors Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
>>W6NL asked me this question - would you run 1500 watts with BNC connectors? It depends on the duty cycle, length of transmission and vswr. Brief contester type transmissons at 50% d/c into a load with Z = line characteristic Z is probably okay. AM broadcasting 1 KW carrier for 24 hours

Re: Topband: Impedance of inv l?

2018-11-19 Thread Rob Atkinson
My inv. L is 50 feet up and 70 horizontal. Wire is #14 bare 7 strand hard drawn. 3 feet out from mast. 101 radials, two ground rods and aluminum siding on garage strapped in to ground sys. on around 1840 Z is 11 R and ~ 20 ohms X. A typical inverted L with a good ground system should be down

Re: Topband: 160m Condx

2018-11-13 Thread Rob Atkinson
>Why is it ever necessary to call on 1830, 1820, 1822 etc. exactly? Call CQ on >1820.3, or 1820.4 or 1822.6 or 1827.8. This only started with plastic radios and digital displays and got worse with dial resolution down to one cycle. Back when everyone had VFOs like the HA-5 with dial markers only

Re: Topband: RG6 connectors and installation

2018-10-29 Thread Rob Atkinson
Don't re-invent the wheel. There are cable installers all over the place--these are people who are given the tools and connectors by Comcast and other big companies to make high reliability installations. When you see a cable truck out on location stop and ask the guy what he uses. If you

Re: Topband: Radial wire

2018-09-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
>Rob, Not barbed wire, but electric fence wire. This wire stays good for >decades. Look at the horse and cattle farms around you. It has the same >conductivity as your galvanized steel tower. Nor does anyone consider >making a tower out of copper or copper clad steel.☺ A radial system of 60 >1/4

Re: Topband: Radial wire

2018-09-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
Oh man, any time this topic comes up anywhere the guys come out with all kinds of suggestions for wire that won't last like galvanized steel and electric fence wire. Nix nix nix...if you want a permanent ground system go with copper, insulated or not. Stranded doesn't lie down as well; you want

Re: Topband: OT - US Hams, WWV closure

2018-08-22 Thread Rob Atkinson
>Some folks have commented on WWV's >minuscule operating expense when compared to the total federal budget, but >the problem with that thinking is we have thousands of federal programs and >departmental budgets that also contribute just a tiny fraction to federal >expense. Collectively, it adds

Re: Topband: NEW CALL for WA8WZG

2018-07-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
>Finally I get an email from the FCC this morning , I won a lottery!! FB on the new call, but is this all you get? Don't they mail out something on paper? Rob K5UJ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Topband: Baker Island DXpedition on 160

2018-06-13 Thread Rob Atkinson
I respectfully suggest the Baker Is. dxpedition be postponed for a few years until band condx improve. It makes no sense to me to mount this costly undertaking to a limited access location when propagation is in the toilet. If USFWS is managing access, they've lately shown that they'll only

Re: Topband: Adding chicken wire or mesh on top of radial field

2018-06-05 Thread Rob Atkinson
for permanent installation it's a waste of time because thin wire steel mesh (chicken fence mesh) will rust away in most ground in a short time. Recommend copper mesh but professionally it only seems to be employed around the base pier of voltage fed towers. For a current fed tower a lot of

Re: Topband: Soil conductivity maps

2018-04-03 Thread Rob Atkinson
Suggest that for Hawaii or other locations where you want specific soil data, contact local small AM or walk in and ask to talk to C.E. Big corp. owned stations will give corporate hq. run around. >>#1 As far south in the country as possible due to better propagation. bzzt, sorry but South =

Re: Topband: low inv-vee

2018-03-30 Thread Rob Atkinson
1. You never use an inverted L or other vertical for receiving, unless maybe, you are in a QTH so remote and noise free it might work. But in-town, forget it. 2, From my experience, 7 or 8 out of 10 hams on 160 m., have poor antennas, usually low horizontal wires. Most of these fellows are

Topband: decoupling Inv L for loop on Rx

2018-03-14 Thread Rob Atkinson
I found I had to put a relay in the feedline to my inverted L to completely open the line on rx. Your typical "coax relay" only opens the center conductor. Fortunately on 160 m. an open frame relay that opens the entire line isn't much of an impedance bump. It is essential that the relay be

Re: Topband: 1/2 wave inv L

2018-02-19 Thread Rob Atkinson
A 180 or 190 degree vertical radiator presents a few different problems compared to one 90 degrees long, due to the high voltage at the feedpoint. You can have ground loss there, but since it is more of a coupling problem than a return current problem, the earth shield is usually a copper mesh

Topband: Radial Wire System Comparison - (was adding a parasitic reflect

2018-02-01 Thread Rob Atkinson
>> I have researched Laport's material, and find nothing that compares multi-tower array performance when using insulated radial wire versus uninsulated wire when using a bus wire at the radial overlap points. Since his worked in the 1950s mostly focused on directional broadcast tower arrays --

Re: Topband: FT-8 question

2017-12-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
> As is, its infuriating listening to high noise > levels on 160m. If I cant hear on 160m...except for the usual louder > stations, Im not going to even try TX. Don't let noise stop you from transmitting. >Right now, Im trying to evaluate if 160m is even worth >the effort required. Are the

Re: Topband: FT8 discussion

2017-11-30 Thread Rob Atkinson
Actually the problem with the alleged QRM and FT8 is more about simply identifying ham computerized modes of digital transmission and reception and separating them out from the rest of the noise generated by poorly filtered appliances, leaky cable TV, power line data communications etc. I am

Topband: Fwd: Fw: Solar Storm September 6th in real time Video - K5UJ de DK7PE

2017-10-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
Posting for Rudi R.A. -- Forwarded message -- From: Rudolf Klos Date: Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 2:58 PM Subject: Fw: Solar Storm September 6th in real time Video - K5UJ de DK7PE To: ranchoro...@gmail.com Hi Rob, I tried to post this infor regarding the latest

Re: Topband: RX/TX Antenna decoupling, (OFF LIST)

2017-10-06 Thread Rob Atkinson
> Thanks for sharing this info. > Would you please provide more information on the relay model number and how > it is wired into your system. I used a P open frame relay 4PDT but a single throw will work. What's important is that the relay use metal other than steel (or other magnetic metal) for

Re: Topband: RX/TX Antenna decoupling, (OFF LIST)

2017-10-05 Thread Rob Atkinson
I discovered my rx antennas worked much better if my tx antenna was completely disconnected from the station. Most coaxial relays or T/R switches only break the center conductor. That's not good enough. There has to be a complete disconnection which I provided by using an open frame relay

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