OK, thanks for confirming!
** Changed in: systemd (Ubuntu)
Status: Incomplete => Invalid
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Title:
nsswitch.con
Public bug reported:
One of our Cockpit integration tests [1] spotted an AppArmor regression
in rsyslogd. This is coincidental, the test passes and it doesn't do
anything with rsyslogd -- just something happens to happen in the
background to trigger this (and I can actually reproduce it locally
qu
Yeah, I could live with that -- but TBH I still consider this mostly a
bug in openssh. querying the status of sshd.service really should work.
Arch, RHEL, Fedora, OpenSUSE etc. all call this sshd.service.
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Timo: It doesn't fail on Debian. See the "That works in Debian
because.." in the description (TL/DR: Debian doesn't enable ssh.socket,
but ssh.service, which sets up the symlink)
** Description changed:
Joining a FreeIPA domain reconfigures SSH. E.g. it enables GSSAPI
authentication in /etc/s
Public bug reported:
Joining a FreeIPA domain reconfigures SSH. E.g. it enables GSSAPI
authentication in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d/04-ipa.conf . After that, it
tries to restart sshd, but that fails as "sshd.service" is not a thing
on Ubuntu:
2024-04-12T03:10:57Z DEBUG args=['/bin/systemctl', 'is-act
Yay, today this is finally fixed, pbuilder creation and building a noble
VM image finally works again \o/ Thanks!
** Changed in: perl (Ubuntu Noble)
Status: Confirmed => Fix Released
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Aside from curl this can be reproduced most quickly with
sudo /usr/sbin/debootstrap --include=build-essential noble /tmp/n
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
Errors were encountered while processing:
perl
libdpkg-perl
libperl5.38t64:amd64
dpkg-dev
build-essential
These are all ultimately du
I wonder where that comes from --
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/perl/+publishinghistory says that
5.38.2-3 was deleted, but only from noble-updates. In noble proper it is
merely "superseded". https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/perl/5.38.2-3
doesn't show it being published anyway, and it's
Public bug reported:
For the last two weeks, building noble VM images for our CI has been
broken. Most of it was uninstallability due to the xz reset, but for the
last three days, `pbuilder --create` has failed [2] because it gets perl
and perl-modules-5.38 in two different versions:
2024-04-08 0
** Changed in: chrony (Ubuntu)
Status: New => Won't Fix
** Changed in: gnutls28 (Ubuntu)
Status: New => Won't Fix
** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu)
Status: New => Won't Fix
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Just to make sure that we really talk about the same thing: This bug
sounds like it is *intended* that
unshare --user --map-root-user /bin/bash -c whoami
(as unpriv user) now fails in current Ubuntu 24.04 noble. That still
worked in released 23.10.
I am starting to test Cockpit on the curren
Public bug reported:
There is an AppArmor regression in current noble. In cockpit we recently
started to test on noble (to prevent the "major regressions after
release" fiasco from 23.10 again).
For some weird reason, rsyslog is installed *by default* [1] in the
cloud images. That is a rather poi
Fun, this isn't even reliable. The first atttempt failed:
https://cockpit-logs.us-east-1.linodeobjects.com/image-refresh-
logs/ubuntu-stable-20231219-223939.log
I retried the build now, no package or environment changes. Only daytime
and timing (race conditions). Perhaps some interaction with
Argh -- I missed the alternative truth in that rescue-ssh.target shell
code. So this message should pretty much *always* appear -- it's
nonsense to actually try and restart rescue-ssh.target in the postinst,
*always*.
But it is a red herring due to the || true. The upgrade failed on
something else
Public bug reported:
In our project we regularly build Ubuntu VM images for current 23.10
(stable). In https://github.com/cockpit-project/bots/issues/5691 we ran
into an upgrade failure of openssh-server. It starts with the current
cloud image and then apt upgrades it, with
"DEBIAN_FRONTEND=nonint
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Title:
dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server doesn't ask questions again
Status in openssh package in Ubuntu:
New
Bug d
We just ran into this in https://github.com/cockpit-
project/bots/issues/5691 when trying to refresh our Ubuntu 23.10 mantic
VM image. It starts with the current cloud image and then apt upgrades
it, with "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive". openssh was updated a few
days ago indeed:
Setting up ope
Excellent, thanks Danilo for the super fast fix! ⭐
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Updating wireguard-peer.allowed-ips gets wrong def
** Description changed:
In https://cockpit-project.org/ we have an integration test for
NM+wireguard integration. That test starts with an IPv4-only connection:
# cat /etc/netplan/90-NM-b5edee2d-c736-4827-bae3-c95e349cb73b.yaml
network:
- version: 2
- tunnels:
- wg0:
- ren
Public bug reported:
In https://cockpit-project.org/ we have an integration test for
NM+wireguard integration. That test starts with an IPv4-only connection:
# cat /etc/netplan/90-NM-b5edee2d-c736-4827-bae3-c95e349cb73b.yaml
network:
version: 2
tunnels:
wg0:
renderer: NetworkManager
I also tried
aa-disable usr.bin.crun
but that doesn't work either. I guess it's not really crun, but
profile="containers-default-0.50.1", but that is created dynamically --
it's not anywhere in /etc/apparmor.d/. I grepped the whole file system
for that:
grep: /usr/lib/podman/rootlessport: bi
I tried a more targeted workaround, with
aa-complain /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.crun
or alternatively (without apparmor-utils, which isn't on the default
cloud image):
sed -i '/flags=/ s/unconfined/complain/' /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.crun
but for some reason that breaks podman entirely:
# podm
Similar issue: https://gitlab.com/libvirt/libvirt/-/issues/548 . These
two may want a common fix with "allow qemu to read sysfs"?
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Thanks Heinrich!
** Bug watch added: github.com/martinpitt/umockdev/issues #208
https://github.com/martinpitt/umockdev/issues/208
** Changed in: umockdev (Ubuntu)
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D'oh!
# cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d/10-cloudimg-settings.conf
PasswordAuthentication no
rm + restart sshd, everything is hunky-dory. Sorry for the noise!
** Changed in: openssh (Ubuntu Kinetic)
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I set LogLevel=DEBUG in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, systemctl restart sshd,
and I'm none the wiser:
debug1: Forked child 1652.
debug1: Set /proc/self/oom_score_adj to 0
debug1: rexec start in 5 out 5 newsock 5 pipe 7 sock 8
debug1: inetd sockets after dupping: 4, 4
Connection from 127.0.0.1 port 45396 o
Public bug reported:
I am in the process of updating our CI for Cockpit to kinetic [1]. I get
a lot of test failures because SSH password login is broken.
This can be replicated with a clean cloud instance, so it's not
something that our VM build scripts do:
curl -L -O
https://cloud-images.ub
Ouch, thanks Marc! Indeed our previous seddery was broken, it should
have left the pam_deny/pam_permit lines. With this it works just fine:
--- /tmp/common-auth.orig 2022-04-01 07:16:26.072608984 +0200
+++ /tmp/common-auth.faillock 2022-04-01 07:14:20.246707861 +0200
@@ -16,6 +16,8 @@
#
Public bug reported:
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 22.04
Package: libpam-modules 1.4.0-11ubuntu1
I just noticed that Ubuntu 22.04 changed from the old pam_tally2 module
to the more widespread pam_faillock one. \o/
However, locking (denying logins) does not actually seem to work.
Accordi
tall test --wait -1
--noautoconsole --cdrom /var/lib/libvirt/novell.iso --autostart
** Package changed: apparmor (Ubuntu) => libvirt (Ubuntu)
** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu)
Status: New => Triaged
** Changed in: libvirt (Ubuntu)
Assignee: (unassigned) => Martin Pitt (pitti
** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #1006324
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1006324
** Also affects: apparmor (Debian) via
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1006324
Importance: Unknown
Status: Unknown
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> I am in contact with Christian now, and hope to sort this out soon.
Sorry -- I meant Christian Kellner, bolt's upstream, not you :-)
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Christian, as I write above I believe this really needs to be fixed in
bolt's tests. The umockdev change was a bug fix which bolt's tests
(incorrectly) worked around. So I hope you don't mind that I flipped the
affected package around? I am in contact with Christian now, and hope to
sort this out s
n: bolt (Ubuntu)
Status: New => In Progress
** Changed in: bolt (Ubuntu)
Assignee: (unassigned) => Martin Pitt (pitti)
** Changed in: umockdev (Ubuntu)
Status: New => In Progress
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Indeed the open(2) manpage is misleading in that regard. The actual
definition in fcntl.h is like this:
extern int open (const char *__file, int __oflag, ...) __nonnull
((1));
(with a few variants, but they all use varargs). So I did the same in
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Dang, we already found a ppc64el SIGBUS issue in 0.16.0, which got fixed
in https://github.com/martinpitt/umockdev/commit/277c80243a . But this
is reported against 0.16.1 already.
There is a tiny chance that
https://github.com/martinpitt/umockdev/commit/264cabbb will magically
fix this, but otherw
I've been scratching my head over this regression [1] for a while now,
in the context of running a hirsute container on a 20.04 host (in
particular, a GitHub workflow machine) In my case, the symptom is that
after upgrading glibc, `which` is broken; that of course also uses
faccessat(), similar to
https://salsa.debian.org/debian/umockdev/-/commit/87b476aee2 should
hopefully help. I uploaded 0.14.2 to Debian unstable now, it should
auto-sync into Groovy soon. Thanks Dan for tackling this!
** Changed in: umockdev (Ubuntu Groovy)
Status: In Progress => Fix Committed
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Nevermind then, this is working well enough for a stable release.
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Status: New => Won't Fix
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I confirm that using a valid IP works better:
In the config:
route1=fe80:2::/60,fe80::99,42
# ip -6 route show dev eth2
fe80::/64 proto kernel metric 101 pref medium
fe80::/64 proto kernel metric 256 pref medium
fe80:2::/60 via fe80::99 proto static metric 42 pref medium
It's still missing the
The journal says why:
NetworkManager[1295]: [1563552648.1667] platform: route-sync: failure
to add IPv6 route: 1:2::/60 via 1:2::3 dev 6 metric 42 mss 0 rt-src user: No
route to host (113)
NetworkManager[1295]: [1563552648.1672] device (eth2): failed to apply
manual IPv6 configuration
Appa
Public bug reported:
I have a system connection like this:
-- /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/eth2 ---
[connection]
id=eth2
uuid=c73fb4d2-8383-4d03-a87c-04c8251961bd
type=ethernet
gateway-ping-timeout=12
interface-name=eth2
permissions=
timestamp=1563551266
[ethernet]
mac
Thanks Dan! I landed your PR, so it should apply to the next upstream CI
run.
** Changed in: systemd (Ubuntu Eoan)
Status: In Progress => Fix Committed
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Indeed the downstream tests fail like this as well:
http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/systemd/eoan/amd64
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That worked.
** Changed in: systemd (Ubuntu)
Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released
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Title:
Ubuntu CI is broke
Should be fixed with https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-
team/systemd/commit/bd89a706b18796074d50bcf2a0cbd29de56ac542 . I'll
close this once the retried PRs go green.
** Changed in: systemd (Ubuntu)
Assignee: (unassigned) => Martin Pitt (pitti)
** Changed in: systemd (Ubuntu)
Thanks Iain! I'll keep an eye on this.
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Title:
Ubuntu CI that runs tests via autopkgtest for systemd on GitHub
repo
Another example: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/11802 refers to
the correct amd64 log
https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac
/autopkgtest-bionic-upstream-systemd-ci-systemd-ci/bionic/amd64/s
/systemd-upstream/20190222_161608_7fe1f@/log.gz
It seems to me that the logs are internally consistent, i. e. the
mentioned UPSTREAM_PULL_REQUEST in the log does match the test results.
But they get sent to the wrong PR, i. e. to the wrong statuses API.
E. g.
https://api.github.com/repos/systemd/systemd/commits/99894b867f1293f56d181d62f5015c5a0
I confirm this on Ubuntu 18.04 (bionic) with 4.15.0-2ubuntu1. It is
fixed in 18.10 (cosmic) with 4.18.0-1ubuntu2.
** Also affects: iproute2 (Ubuntu Bionic)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** Changed in: iproute2 (Ubuntu Bionic)
Status: New => Confirmed
** Changed in: iproute2
Public bug reported:
As per documentation, the `-B best` option should automatically select
the best backingstore, falling back all the way to dir.
But apparently it doesn't, at least not in artful's 2.1.0-0ubuntu1:
$ sudo lxc-create -B best --name=autopkgtest-xenial -t ubuntu -- -r xenial
lxc-c
Thanks Gunnar, nice work! I cherry-picked the patches in
https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-team/systemd/commit/87f54958bc24 . The
debian/ changes were already in Debian master.
** Changed in: systemd (Ubuntu)
Status: In Progress => Fix Committed
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I confirmed that the current "ninja -C build-deb/ systemd-pot" command
also builds a complete .pot file with policykit-1 installed
(unsurprisingly, as this also just calls gettext). So that part is fine.
What is really bad however, is to build-depend against policykit-1:
The following NEW package
Thanks Gunnar for tracking this down! Adding a policykit-1 build
dependency requires some thought, as that also build-depends on systemd
[1], thus this is circular. Also, there was a lot of effort with making
systemd bootstrappable without excessive dependencies. But I think it's
fine to add this a
@Gunnar: This patch does not actually work:
❱❱❱ xgettext -f "po/POTFILES.in" -o "build-deb/po/systemd.pot" --join-existing
xgettext: warning: file 'src/core/org.freedesktop.systemd1.policy.in.in'
extension 'policy' is unknown; will try C
xgettext: warning: file 'src/hostname/org.freedesktop.hostn
I committed the first hunk to Debian, this makes sense:
https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-team/systemd/commit/18d8c2df133b8af
The second is too hackish for a permanent downstream delta, IMHO: This
should rather be fixed upstream, as upstream polkit (as well as Debian's
and Ubuntu's older versions)
The most plausible explanation for enumerating /usr/local/bin/ is that
ntpd has some hooks.d/ mechanism which gets called after syncing the
time, and that runs a shell in between. So IMHO this should be allowed.
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The most plausible explanation for enumerating /usr/local/bin/ is that
ntpd has some hooks.d/ mechanism which gets called after syncing the
time, and that runs a shell in between. So IMHO this should be allowed.
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I locally ran Cockpit tests on our current Ubuntu 17.10 image and re-
confirm that I got the "disconnected path" error. I then upgraded the
ntp package to artful-proposed, and *that* violation is now gone. As
others already saw, I now get a test failure on
apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" pro
Thanks Christian! Indeed this is rather hard to reproduce locally, but
that PR seems to address this. I'll let you know if it doesn't after it
lands.
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Once you do this, these fallbacks should be cleaned up:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apport-hackers/apport/trunk/view/head:/apport/crashdb_impl/launchpad.py#L30
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apport-hackers/apport/trunk/view/head:/apport/crashdb_impl/launchpad.py#L137
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Patches backported into Debian packaging git:
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-
systemd/systemd.git/commit/?id=9bba5469f2b95ea9
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Public bug reported:
Merely installing and starting ntp.service in Ubuntu 17.10 now causes
this AppArmor violation:
audit: type=1400 audit(1508915894.215:25): apparmor="DENIED"
operation="sendmsg" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path"
error=-13 profile="/usr/sbin/ntpd" name="run/systemd/j
With the demise of the Ubuntu phone (rest in peace, *tear*) this is
obsolete now.
** Changed in: autopkgtest (Ubuntu)
Status: Incomplete => Won't Fix
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FTR, I don't want to blame the NetworkManager 1.2.6 SRU to xenial - that
new upstream version now evades the version test in the postinst, but of
course it's still that version test which is at fault. I don't see how
we can use a simple version test to determine the situation that we want
(one-time
I'm sorry, I mean bug 1676547.
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Network manager stops managing Ethernet links after upgrade
Status in
Is that any better with the fix in bug 1690992? That sounds very much
like a duplicate?
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Network manag
I ran the description's test case and confirm that the crash is now
fixed. Furthermore, other operations like "pkcon refresh", "pkcon get-
updates", "pkcon update", and "pkcon install bash-doc" all worked fine,
as before.
** Tags removed: verification-needed verification-needed-xenial
** Tags adde
** Description changed:
The Ubuntu Error Tracker has been receiving reports about a problem regarding
packagekit. This problem was most recently seen with package version
0.8.17-4ubuntu6~gcc5.4ubuntu1.1, the problem page at
https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/8c37a6988b890cc46b415972ef1e2ca746
; Medium
** Changed in: packagekit (Ubuntu Xenial)
Status: Confirmed => In Progress
** Changed in: packagekit (Ubuntu Xenial)
Assignee: (unassigned) => Martin Pitt (pitti)
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I released 0.16.8 upstream and uploaded it to Debian unstable, from
where it should autosync into Ubuntu devel soon.
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Status: Triaged => Fix Committed
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Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released
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Thanks Daniel! PR merged upstream. There are a few other test
deprecation warnings/failures I'm looking into before doing a release.
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[16.04] Cannot download packages whilst offline - w
Public bug reported:
I am using 16.04 with the main ethernet interface being managed by
ifupdown, and others by NetworkManager. Apparently PK's
pk_network_get_network_state() does not properly recognize this and
thinks it is offline:
# pkcon update
Getting updates [=
I confirmed that this is fixed in zesty.
** Changed in: packagekit (Ubuntu)
Status: New => Fix Released
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Tit
This is quite simple to reproduce:
$ pkcon get-updates
Getting updates [=]
Loading cache [=]
Querying [=]
Finished [===
** Summary changed:
- "Failed name lookup - disconnected path"
+ /usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-lda: "Failed name lookup - disconnected path"
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Hey Perry,
Perry E. Metzger [2017-03-20 13:11 -0400]:
> That bug report was a decade ago.
Yeah, I know :-)
> So far as I know, this is still an issue for your users, because sshd
> does not, on its own, change its network address when one changes
> networks. I would not remove this because if yo
I filed bug 1674330 about dropping the hack.
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sshd not reconfigured by /etc/network
Status in openssh package
Public bug reported:
The /etc/network/if-up.d/openssh-server hack was introduced ten years ago [1]
as a response to bug
103436. At least from today's perspective this isn't justified:
I can't seem to be able to actually reproduce that issue: I can start a
VM with no network interfaces, remove t
Perry, I just revisited this:
- /etc/network/if-up.d/openssh-server hack introduces a race (you run
into connection errors after bringing up a new interface as sshd stops
listening briefly while being reloaded).
- I can't seem to be able to actually reproduce that issue: I can start
a VM with n
Blaisorblade [2017-03-15 15:03 -]:
> Another corner case seems to be binaries linked against musl libc, since
> they do not use NSS.
Note that this is generally broken and cannot be supported, regardless of the
DNS resolver. These binaries could also not resolve winbind host names, YP,
LDAP, A
Yes, there, see "man resolved.conf". But I'd recommend a separate file
to avoid changing the package-provided conffile:
sudo mkdir -p /etc/systemd/resolved.conf.d
printf "[Resolve]\nDNSSEC=no\n" | sudo tee
/etc/systemd/resolved.conf.d/no-dnssec.conf
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Note: We keep DNSSEC=allow-downgrade during development to collect
feedback, but switch it off for stable releases (we did so in yakkety
and should do so again in zesty). So if you have some trouble which is
DNSSEC related, it would be good to get a debug output of resolved while
it's failing to re
Fixed upstream:
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/e8d23f92b50a97bb3
** Changed in: systemd (Ubuntu)
Status: Triaged => Fix Committed
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I cherry-picked the patches into the Debian packaging branch, so that on
next upload zesty can be synced again.
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@Scott:
https://git.launchpad.net/postfix/commit/?h=stable/v3.1&id=1a190cf17cc02
looks rather complicated and also creates an unmanaged config file. Why
not just always add those After= to the .service? If resolved is not
enabled, then After=systemd-resolved is a no-op (it's only ordering, not
a de
The fix landed in master:
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/4050e04b
** Changed in: systemd (Ubuntu)
Status: In Progress => Fix Committed
** Changed in: systemd (Ubuntu)
Milestone: ubuntu-16.12 => None
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Till Kamppeter [2016-12-19 16:48 -]:
> Then edit the file /lib/systemd/system/cups.path adding a line
> "PartOf=cups.service" to the [Unit] section, so that the file looks like
> this:
>
> --
> [Unit]
> Description=CUPS Scheduler
> PartOf=cups.service
I suppose that cups.path is only
See the summary from https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/4808: I
can't convince Lennart about falling back to DNS for IPv6 if hosts has
an IPv4 entry -- if hosts has some answer, it should be considered
authoritative, and we should not mix different sources for the same
query. Often /etc/hosts
@Benjamin: Argh, I had to uncommit/recommit these three as the CVE
numbers came in at the last minute, and apparently got the commit
messages the wrong way around (meh @ not having rebase in bzr..) I did
some surgery on the branch and the commit messages are correct now.
When I created the fixes I
New upstream release with the fixes:
https://launchpad.net/apport/trunk/2.20.4
Note that Brian committed some changes to trunk in the last 1.5 hours,
so we had some mid-air collection. I force-pushed trunk and will put
back his commits on top.
** Changed in: apport
Status: In Progress => F
This is likely fixed in current systemd versions already, but the recent
commit https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/ad2706db7cce should fix
the remaining traces of this.
Current systemd package in
https://launchpad.net/~pitti/+archive/ubuntu/systemd contains this
patch, if you want to give i
** Tags added: resolve
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Title:
Ordering of mdns4_minimal and resolve in /etc/nsswitch.conf causes
mDNS lookups to f
Ryan Harper [2016-12-06 12:54 -]:
> The following change should go against systemd-networkd-wait-
> online.service
>
> + # Ensure that DNS is working before reaching online target
> + After=systemd-networkd-resolvconf-update.service
For the record, this should be the other way around -- add
B
Unfortunately resolvconf does not have a --no-scripts or similar option
that would disable running the update.d/ hooks. One possible local
workaround is to change /lib/systemd/system/systemd-
resolved.service.d/resolvconf.conf from
ExecStopPost=+/bin/sh -c '[ ! -e /run/resolvconf/enable-updates
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-
systemd/systemd.git/commit/?id=dbda116b2
** Changed in: systemd (Ubuntu)
Status: Triaged => Fix Committed
** Changed in: systemd (Ubuntu)
Assignee: (unassigned) => Martin Pitt (pitti)
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@Anders: ah, so you removed libnss-resolve, but manually enabled
systemd-resolved.service?
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Title:
systemd-resolved’s
I confirm the fact that "dig @127.0.0.53 wiki.freedesktop.org" only
gives the CNAME response, not the resolution of
"annarchy.freedesktop.org." as well, which is sufficient to confirm the
fix.
But nevertheless, firefox, wget, ping etc. on wiki.freedesktop.org all
work fine, but these use NSS. Goog
... and change the original patch to only install gdb into the sandbox
if it matches the host architecture, as otherwise it'd be a waste.
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