Re: [Trisquel-users] OT another place to discuss software licenses ?

2013-02-11 Thread ncvn456
There somewhere else where I could discuss a variety of licenses? I tried the FSF list but everyone seemed to insist GPL was the only way. media contacts

Re: [Trisquel-users] What if we win?

2013-02-11 Thread tegskywalker
I was saying that the core application is free software and always will be. The client or specific user that goes for a commercial license is doing it out of choice and not held back, oppressed, or whatever you want to label it. They can always opt for the free version under a free software l

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Fonts License

2013-02-11 Thread onpon4
I think anything using this license is nonfree, name currently trademarked or not, because it could become a trademark at a later date.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Fonts License

2013-02-11 Thread ejectmail
Are the Ubuntu fonts themselves then nonfree, seeing as the name is trademarked?

Re: [Trisquel-users] What if we win?

2013-02-11 Thread Bob Ham
On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 22:47 +0100, ejectm...@me.com wrote: > The Free Software Foundation has stated, "Our goal is a world where all > programs are free, so that all their users are free." But thinking about a > world where all software is free has called some serious questions into mind. > >

[Trisquel-users] Re : What if we win?

2013-02-11 Thread magicbanana
First of all, the copyright holder of "real" custom software is the company that pays for its development. Since it is the only user, there is no redistribution and no need to talk about licensing. If a third-party developers retains the copyright (in the hope of selling the same work to an

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Fonts License

2013-02-11 Thread onpon4
One of your important freedoms can be taken away at will via trademark law with this license. Therefore, I would say that the license is nonfree. I don't know what the FSF's opinion would be.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Fonts License

2013-02-11 Thread ejectmail
So what's the verdict? Does not allowing the original version to be renamed make the license nonfree, or is it indeed a free software license?

Re: [Trisquel-users] What if we win?

2013-02-11 Thread onpon4
> don't want to "release their custom changes to the public" (which the GPL will > force them to do) Erm, no, it doesn't. The GPL requires you to distribute the program under the GPL with the source code (or an offer to provide the source code) if you distribute it at all, but there is no

Re: [Trisquel-users] What if we win?

2013-02-11 Thread tegskywalker
You aren't fooling anyone if your client wants something heavily tailored to them with custom plugins or code that are not free software. There may also be clients who don't want to "release their custom changes to the public" (which the GPL will force them to do) and will request a commercia

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Fonts License

2013-02-11 Thread onpon4
Yes, Conanical's policy might be fine. I was talking about theoretical other policies, like Mozilla's. Also, Conanical's policy could be changed, and then the license could be rendered effectively nonfree by that.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Dependency Error Gtk-Gnutella

2013-02-11 Thread stevekilleen
Thanks for the advice lembas! I Followed your links and tried some things but still can't manage to update the dependencies for Gtk-Gnutella :-( Anyone have an easy step by step solution to this? If there is one? I'm sure it would be handy if you wanted to update other software on Trisquel to

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Fonts License

2013-02-11 Thread ejectmail
Would this be a free software license in the absence of trademarks?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Fonts License

2013-02-11 Thread onpon4
> why should it make a license non-free that it only allows use of the > trademarks non-commercially? Normally it wouldn't. But if the software license requires use of the same name for unmodified versions, that combination results in freedom 2 effectively being restricted. > Does it only

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Fonts License

2013-02-11 Thread ejectmail
Let me quote from Ubuntu's trademark policy: "Canonical grants permission for anyone to mirror or redistribute unmodified Ubuntu installation images, Ubuntu software packages, and Ubuntu package archives." So there's no problem with commercially distributing the unmodified font.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Fonts License

2013-02-11 Thread ejectmail
If the GPL states it's acceptable to decline to grant rights under trademark law, why should it make a license non-free that it only allows use of the trademarks non-commercially?

[Trisquel-users] Re : What if we win?

2013-02-11 Thread magicbanana
I hope that "custom license" means "free software license" to you. Otherwise you are describing a way to use free software to fool users into proprietary software.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Fonts License

2013-02-11 Thread tegskywalker
The 3-Clause BSD license has the same rules where deriative works cannot use the names to "endorse" the original project. "(3)The name of the author may not be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission." http://directory.fsf.org/

[Trisquel-users] Re : New Trisquel MATE live cd

2013-02-11 Thread magicbanana
Based on the frequency of the news releases on its website (once a month), MATE looks well alive. The inclusion in Trisquel's repositories is not forecast if that is what you wanted to know. Indeed MATE is not in Ubuntu's repositories (including that of the upcoming 13.04 version) and Trisq

[Trisquel-users] Re : Unable to login

2013-02-11 Thread magicbanana
One can use Baobab too. It is a GNOME utility that is shipped in Trisquel's default install (as far as I remember). Very convenient.

Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 6

2013-02-11 Thread mikko . viinamaki
>here http://devel.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/trisquel_6.0-20130211_amd64.iso Oh yeah!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Fonts License

2013-02-11 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I hadn't read the actual license when making the previous comment, it was purely based on this thread... mea culpa. Looks like Debian considers it non-free FWIW because of * the naming restrictions [1] * .ttf files are rebuildable from source only with the help of non-free tools [2] [1] ht

Re: [Trisquel-users] Adding Trisquel to the [GNU/]Linux distribution chooser

2013-02-11 Thread mikko . viinamaki
>On the other hand, this has made me interested in such a program that has a good function (suggests only completely free distros) and actually works (by asking better questions and not suggesting multiple distros). I might do that sometime. It could even be a great excuse to learn Javascript

Re: [Trisquel-users] What if we win?

2013-02-11 Thread mampir
In a world with only free software, where all people are happy and feel there's no need for new software to be developed, then there's no need for new software. And that's good, people will do other things instead. But if people want new software, then they will either write it themselves o

Re: [Trisquel-users] Evolution Email and Yahoo Mail UK settings?

2013-02-11 Thread sdilliano
I just received an answer to the problem from Yahoo UK customer care, the settings suggested work for me. Receiving Email: Server Type: POP Server: pop.mail.yahoo.com (even if you have a .co.uk account) Port: 995 Username: yahoo id without the @yahoo.co.uk (use entire email address for ymail.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Evolution Email and Yahoo Mail UK settings?

2013-02-11 Thread sdilliano
Good thinking, but the parts of the settings that are visible in Thunderbird I entered exactly the same in Evolution. I am starting to suspect that Yahoo for some reason have decided to block connections from anything but Outlook or Thunderbird as they specifically say on their help page that