Hello vinzv,
This is a very good idea. I've been thinking along the same lines myself but
I just wasn't able to put it into words. Also my lack of experience in the
area of marketing put me off suggesting the idea.
If there is anything I can do I would be more than happy to help in any way
Maybe we could get the FAQ to the top menu as it's quite hidden at the
moment? Or have it linked below the What is Trisquel box in the center
besides the screenshot?
thanks, this process with exporting the list of packages intriques me as it
creates a guide to the state of the system without an actual clone.
however when using that guide to restore, it will presumably fail to restore
packages for which it doesn't have a repo - ie anything compiled
but a user application is not really a system file, and the makers of the
installer that put the app somewhere other than /opt have already messed
with the correct way of doing things...
there's no point in having a spec, and me spending time trying to understand
the system if it is not
I think everybody can help! At least by stating opinions or throwing in
ideas. :)
On making something official it's a bit too early I think. I have a
non-formal go from aklis on #trisquel-dev which - at least for me - is
enough at the moment. As soon as we have some things to be published
and we are heading towards a society where just posting anonymously online
anywhere could mean jail time in the future.
I really hope there are wars before that. I hope somehow the south rises
again. I would very much like to see this global system destroyed: where
everyone now lives under
There have been bugs filed and many people are experiencing this problem. Due
to the fact that this is the default browser for the system and it is the
most friendly to most mainstream sites I don't know why this is taking so
long for there to be an official response.
Are any maintainers
theres a copy of the game compressed on my webserver you could try this link:
http://92.19.232.58:82/files/XonoticChaosEsqueAnthology.tar.gz
thats a good point i should add signature checking
i will try now
Superduper's own descripition epxlains its to backup your system to bootable
recovery media. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't know how cloning one
machine and restoring it to another machine with different hardware doesn't
cause problems.
I'm having trouble perceiving any benefits so far, but I will keep learning
and thinking about it.
I think that much of it does not make much sense nowadays. The current FHS
evolved from the file hierarchy of the UNIX systems from the 70s. Some
distinctions only exist to have some kind of
moxalt: Do I have any choice.
If you are on your own, You have to pay money to eat. You have to pay money
just to keep land you own (property taxes). You have to pay money just for
being in existance (healthcare head taxes). To get this money, if you are not
one of the rulers, you must
That is somewhat of an idea however, as far as I know:
You are not allowed to send without a return address anymore, and my region
would still be known if I went to some nearby other place to send.
Inkjet printers print identifying information in yellow inkdot matrixes, so
which printer
It is my understanding that many debian packages which rely on such
mechanisms have their own debian packages for their dependencies, even when
those dependencies are in other repositories. I suppose however that if
software packaged in Trisquel downloads dependencies from external repos
Why not just send it without a return address? You could even mail it from a
different city if you're worrying about USPS posting the city it came from
somewhere.
yeah..many laptops have that. Mine has it. A little rectangular button near
the touchpad.
I'm sure he checked that out though.. :)
Do you have a physical switch? :)
Superduper sounds like it is to backup your own system, similar to
clonezilla,not to install on a bunch of other systems. I still don't
believe I'm understanding what you are trying to do. Are you just wanting to
backup your disk? Or install a similar setup on other computers? If
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I've been spotted in a cafe, using Trisquel to play games, watch vids,
chat with friends, etc. Did anyone notice? Well, on one occasion,
someone asked what I was using and a brief discussion followed, with
it doesn't look like Linux, as one of the
Also in terminal you have to type precisely, which is not my strong point,
and text editing is minimal, in most terminals only backspace seems to work,
i can't correct like in a normal text editor, furthermore if I have assembled
a long command, i can't copy and paste using ctrl-c ctrl-v
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I vote for moving the faq to the top. I need another look; it may be
time to add and/or change some questions and answers.
On 07/21/2015 11:18 AM, v...@vinzv.de wrote:
Maybe we could get the FAQ to the top menu as it's quite hidden at
the moment?
I have a Thinkpad x201 and switched the built-in Intel wifi chip in
favor of a Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 which works just perfect. I got the
Atheros off Ebay for ~3.50€.
The whole process was a bit of a mess but manageable thanks do Lenovo's
whitelist anti-feature. I wrote it all down, sadly it's
but a user application is not really a system file
They are not user files.
There are dependencies between the applications installed on your system,
between the applications and the libraries, between the applications and the
data files, etc. If you start to move those files, you will
when using that guide to restore, it will presumably fail to restore packages
for which it doesn't have a repo - ie anything compiled manually or installed
from a deb file.
Indeed. It will only install what is available in the Trisquel repository
plus additional repositories, such as PPAs,
maybe something like this would be appropriate for you
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
instead of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
I think its more common for people to compile their own kernel then do either
of these, but I can't see any other
The browser is one of the most important components of an OS these days (if
not the most important one). There are also no real Libre alternatives
available for Trisquel. I am writing this from QupZilla right now but you
can't compare it with a full IceCat/Abrowser.
So without a browser,
It's a shame CPUs never get any faster like they used to, this problem would
dissappear :P (I think it's CPU bound with all the tracelines etc for the
ballistic fragments). The only features added now are backdoors such as VPro
(with inbuilt VNC server to spy on you). Same with cars (the
No. It's not quite correct to say all Atheros wifi cards or even all Atheros
PCIE or mini PCIE or mini PCIE half height cards are free software friendly
as some of these cards do require non-free firmware and won't work or won't
work fully in Trisquel- or any other free OS/distribution.
thanks, that archive is good to know about.
I understand about usr/bin now, when the spec says commands,
translated/updated to any time in the last 20 years, that means applications,
not just terminal commands.
this is a VERY different system structure paradigm from what I am used to,
I use superduper for both tasks. backing up a system configuration and
installing it on another machine. But not for regular backups of my own
documents, I use time machine, like deja dup, for that, which is a much
easier task. (or simply drag and drop them onto another drive for a one off
The complaint tab doesn't pop up on the Trisquel site for me, and I use LibreJS.
That's exactly what I thought of. Kudos for that.
Most of us use Package manager to install Programs
in trisquel all the repositorys is free software
But wait
There is programming language package manager like pip, go, rubygems and much
more.
Most of them contain free software, but some are non-free.
Most JavaScript libraries are free/libre (jQuery, Bootstrap, AngularJS, ...).
There are some notable exceptions, like Highcharts (CC BY-NC-SA). They just
don't follow the LibreJS spec to save file size (most JavaScript distributed
today is minified).
Couldn't you make an ISO out of your current installed disk, put that on a USB
(not burn it to the USB, just store it on the USB) and then boot with a live
distribution from one USB port, stick the USB storing the ISO in the other
port, and then dd the ISO from the other USB to the disk. Just a
In related bad news, another document standard by ISO
http://noooxml.wikidot.com/
I use LibreJS, and the complaint tab appears on about 90% of the sites I visit.
Is all that JavaScript really non-free? Or was LibreJS just not able to find
licensing information? I don't run JavaScript that LibreJS tells me is
non-free, but I have my doubts...
Tell me- do you support slavery?
The Bible does.
It is supposed to indicate the presence of non-free JavaScript- it doesn't pop
up on the Trisquel site (at least for me) and doesn't show up on old HTML-only
sites, or my blog, which runs Wordpress.
It isn't normal, and shouldn't be showing up on the Trisquel site.
In fact, the LibreJS settings clearly state that the complaint tab is only
supposed to appear if non-free JS is detected. Besides, it would be pretty much
pointless and misleading for it to appear of every site regardless.
that seems like a good start, and similar to what clonezilla does - If i
understand correctly. How would you make the initial iso of the installed
system?
fundamentally, we sort of agree, but are coming from very different angles.
bad GUIs are certainly worse than no GUIs.
It isn't just remembering dd, it is in general each terminal task requires me
to remember a few different commands, I have to remember them precisely, not
just roughly,
that writer is distinguishing between 2 different things laboriously and
using the word stupid for both of them. The word ignorant is more correct and
already exists for one of his meanings. If I don't know about something then
I am ignorant of it, not stupid about it.
Thanks very much for the swift reply. I've tried that to no avail. Indeed,
synclient with no arguments returns me a list of settings in which this is
already set to 0. Unsetting it and resetting it then rebooting doesn't help
either. Any other ideas?
this seems like a good place to mention an idea I had for learnability in
GNU/linux, and indeed any OS.
By default every folder that is part of the system structure should contain a
text file that explains why the folder is there, why it is in that place in
the tree, what sort of files it
Does this help?synclient TouchpadOff=0 if not you can try =1 first and then
again =0.
The front page already has a link to https://trisquel.info/faq (search for
F.A.Q.).
As for knowing what Trisquel is, the text displayed in large letters at the
top of http://trisquel.info is:
What is Trisquel? Trisquel GNU/Linux is a fully free operating system for
home users, small
It isn't just remembering dd, it is in general each terminal task requires me
to remember a few different commands, I have to remember them precisely, not
just roughly, whereas with menu i just need to know the option i want is
there and i can find it again without having to remember exact
lol ya its a problem nowadays for everyone. I'm still pissed they shut down
crysis 2 cause of the hackers.
I'm not sure about chaosesque, But I used this website to find xonotic
servers with players. http://dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=xonotic
Here is the standard: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html
Minified Javascript can (and should) state its license in this way:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/javascript-labels.html
Minified Javascript can (and should) state its license in this way:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/javascript-labels.html;
For sure, Banana.
Some of the other comments in this thread seem to show a thinking that merely
because it's, say, jQuery that any site using it means it's free. Sadly,
Thanks for your reply ! I will give this a try. I guess you are right.
Slowdowns on my system were mostly related to grenade explosions and / or the
blood splatters of my character when being hit by a grenade :)
The temptation was too great.
Many programming languages come with their own package managers to ease
installation of new software as well as libraries. You can install those
packages globally (system-wide) or locally (in a folder). Examples of those
packages managers: npm (CSS/JavaScript), Bower (Web), pip (Python),
Most of us use Package manager to install Programs
All of use the package manager to install programs.
in trisquel all the repositorys is free software
There is only one repository. It is composed of entirely free software.
There is programming language package manager
What?
Most of them
Yes, we know. What do you want us to say about it?
Thankfully, the amount of non-free software in those is very low, and the
vast majority of people doesn't install any using them.
We have a related bug filed here
https://trisquel.info/en/issues/3741
We need free version of them to improve the quality of works from the
user to the programmers by invoking free version.
I'd help a bit as well if I can (can I?:)
Now, I think Quidam should make it official.
(Anyway my first suggestion would be to at least move the FAQ to the front
page of Trisquel's website.
People come there wanting to know what the F Trisquel is and it can't hurt to
serve them as soon as
I have had a ThinkPenguin Korora running Trisquel quite nicely for 6 months.
The trackpad just stopped working, apparently at random. Plenty of searching
hasn't produced an obvious fix. Bugfixing such things is not my strong point.
Can anyone offer any pointers?
System Settings Mouse
I misunderstood the spec or is it just not adhered to at all?
It just not adhered to. I would not say at all though.
I have just discovered a new version of that standard was released 47 days
ago: http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/fhs.shtml
If you are just wanting to back up/copy of your computer, on the same hdd,
which defeats the purpose imo. Use clonezilla with another partition?
the destination of the clone / backup is immaterial if it is an iso that can
be easily copied.
I would prefer to clone or create a distro
thanks! if i ever make a distro I'm going to add text files of each section
of that spec in the folders referred to... and the full document at /
any suggestions for enforcing it on my own system? when using a repo or even
a .deb file it decides for you where to put the application...
I use Trisquel GNOME fallback- the default. It was better when I used to use
Xfce.
We should seriously switch to MATE next release.
I tried it on Lubuntu 14.04, 64-bit, Firefox 39 does not crash at all. On my
trisquel-mini 32-Bit setup the crash occures however... It seems like
something went wrong in the process of changing Firefox to Abrowser?
No. NO! If you argue with him on that subject he's going to flood the forum,
and 90%-98% of that will be pure nonsense. *runs and hides under a rock*
it slows me down because I have to look up the syntax each time i use it.
Is the syntax really that hard to remember? I mean- dd, if, of, bs. That's it.
I haven't even used dd for months and I still know it off by heart. My vocation
isn't administering computers either, and it really isn't that
I'm a total noob to Trisquel specifically, a relative noob to GNU/linux since
I have dabbled in it intermittently a few times often years apart, never
become adept, become frustrated, and then forgotten most of what I learned.
This time I'm making the extra effort to break through that and
as to what i'm trying to do I thought it was clear from the second two
starred points in first post on this thread.
or did you mean more generally?
more generally I am trying to move my complex and specific computing needs
off apple to something free, or at least free-er.
I'm also working
Most people do unfortunately, its human nature. Look how many people use
apple products lmao.
jeez...I have gotten threatened alot too by various groups. Usually by
gaming communities lol. Because I am very vocal against cheating.
The whole pedophile thing has definitely gotten out of hand. Lupe Fuentes
has had to go to court in countries to save people from execution.Now the
Are you sure the site has not just been a little slow, maybe more pronounced
on icecat? I have noticed since the site went down a couple days ago for a
very short while, it is sometimes slow to load. No big deal, the host is
probably doing its job protecting the site.
I think you are pretending to be more noob then you really are. Do all these
computers you want to install trisquel on have the same exact hardware?
Otherwise cloning is not your answer...
thanks that is really helpful, should be prominently linked to in every
install!
i suspect from a quick scan that it is not well adhered too though, which
probably explains some of my confusion. I think less than half of
applications I have installed have ended up in /opt for example.
again an essential guide, and explanation of the culture clash that occurs
when asking mouse users to realign to a pre-mouse set of shortcuts. I had
actually found one or two of those, but had forgotten, which is part of my
point.
It is a pretty significant set of skills to learn to do
checked the touchpad settings in dconf-editor?
reinstalled xserver-xorg-input-synaptics?
updated your kernel?
A distro install disk has to install on a wide variety of hardware, but has a
fixed set of user software, that's what I'm aiming for basically.
You can export the list of packages installed on your system with the
Synaptic package manager (since you like GUIs). Use the menu File/Save
I agree, noscipt whitelisting is much more efficient.
If you start to mess with the system files, you will enter great troubles.
Making a coherent ensemble is the purpose of a distribution.
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