People like Supertramp83, Calinou, Basstard, using debian, and/or
proprietary drivers.
I can't vouch for Basstard, but I'm almost certain that Calinou and
Supertramp aren't using propreitary drivers. If memory serves, they are using
Debian, however. Debian is a great fully free
People like jxself and others linking me rms videos and gnu documentation,
and claiming using free software for privacy and security reasons is not as
important as the ethical reasons.
You do not get it. Free software is developed in the interest of the users
because the users are in
1. I am talking about the work achieved *with* the software. Like writing a
document with LibreOffice.
2. Many bugs are no security threat. Yet users want it fixed.
3. You do not get it. Security and privacy are features. The free software
movement is not about specific features. See my
You keep coming off as someone who thinks people who program the software are
more entitled to have control over it, then those that don't. Do you hear
how you sound?
I'm not a developer or programmer, so I'm beneath you it seems.
You are the ones focusing on specific features, when you
1. You're wrong. Calinou admits it openly, he uses proprietary nvidia
drivers, because he claims he can't run xonotic without it. Which i find
hard to believe since I can run it with nouveau drivers on my gtx 650
perfectly fine. And when the game depends more on cpu then anything and
1. why would someone writing a document with libreoffice be licensed to
someone? Anyone deserves the control of her own work it speaks it for it
self what you meant.
2. I don't how many times i have to say it, but any bug has a potential to
be a security exploit, even if not known
Mmmm. It's good thing that I have the habit of not using javascript and
downloading the documents instead of viewing them on the browser.
The latest Abrowser from the repo is at the right level. Icecat - not yet,
I'll give quidam a nudge as he said he was planning to give Icecat some extra
love about a fortnight ago.
It's really easy to use, and Tor is optional (not default) - Maybe you're
thinking of Whonix?
saying you represent free software, when you use proprietary drivers...Is
not only hypocritical, its suspicious.
I'm going to call bullshit here. Using a proprietary driver while saying that
proprietary software is bad is not necessarily hypocritical. There could be
all sorts of reasons
See my above post. You're vilifying the wrong person here. If it is true that
he uses proprietary drivers or firmware (I don't know if it is; I got the
impression that he uses Debian for other reasons), then the party which is in
the wrong is whoever manufactured his hardware which requires
The BSD operating systems are popular with companies that like to take the
code, make it locked down, and keep the improvements to themselves. Apple
with OSX, Sony with their PlayStation 4, and Netflix come to mind.
Netflix programmers are always at the conferences talking about how much
GNU/Linux has been a viable target for years; last time I checked, most
servers ran GNU/Linux. That's why Heartbleed and Shellshock were a huge deal.
If you honestly think that Windows doesn't have occasional bugs like this,
you're naïve. In fact, we don't even know how many vulnerabilities
As you may or may not know, the latest point release of Ubuntu (that Trisquel
7 is based on) has been released and uses the backported 3.19 kernel and xorg
by default. Both are available in Trisquel 7 in the repos as we speak as
linux-generic-lts-vivid and xserver-xorg-lts-vivid.
In
Oops I meant to say that it let's me boot WITHOUT nonfree firmware.
Being ethical is a property, not a feature.
Calinou admits it openly, he uses proprietary nvidia drivers, because he
claims he can't run xonotic without it. Which i find hard to believe since I
can run it with nouveau drivers on my gtx 650 perfectly fine. And when the
game depends more on cpu then anything and I have a crappy amd
What do you do, run an SSH server all day with a weak password and then taunt
millions of people to get them to invade your system?
I'm sure I've pissed some people off before, but I'm not aware of anyone
breaking into my system at all, let alone messing with my files.
yep I wholeheartedly agree.
First, I have used very happily Trisquel 7 for five months (since day one it
came out). Now I use Debian stable with Xfce and I love it.
Second, I use 0 as in ZERO proprietary software on my computer and my Debian
installation is libre 100%.
I switched the wifi adapter and don't have video
Can you believe this guy?
I DON'T use any proprietary driver. AT ALL. I never told you I did. Why are
you openly lying? What's your point?
I NEVER SAID to no one that Trisquel is not good enough. What are you talking
about? STOP TROLLING dude seriously.
Can we people just stop feeding
Supertramp never used trisquel for more then a couple months, because it is
not popular enough for him
Never told you so. In fact I was using Trisquel exclusively for 5 months
straight.
Again, let's just ignore and not feed this troll
I could vouch for super tramp that he does not use any proprietary drivers.
I would like someone to feed me this guy to me, I got my Southern deep fry
pan ready to pinch his soft-side of a troll coming from my repertoire of a
nasty troller.
Sounds good, but I think it should wait until the radeon patch is finalized.
1. I am not talking about the licensing of the document. I do not know if you
are trolling or sincerely do not understand. Again: someone who does her work
(e.g., write documents) through a computer program (e.g., LibreOffice)
deserves the control of her work, hence on the computer program
You keep coming off as someone who thinks people who program the software are
more entitled to have control over it, then those that don't.
I actually keep on writing the exact opposite: that the users (not the
developers) of a computer program are entitled to have control over it
because
Also, send it upstream. :) That way any deblobbed Linux will get the fix,
rather than just the ones done by someone aware of the patch.
I don't believe you! lol. Do you admit you use debian, and didn't use
trisquel for more then a couple months? Why are you even here if you don't
use trisquel!?!? What is your reason for preferring debian?
You told me yourself you don't use trisquel because its not popular enough.
I
nopeits just how easy it is.
now you are, its about fkn time. Ty for changing your posts. You are not
better then me cause you are a developer/programmer and I'm not. I'm glad
you finally realize that.
And if its no different then why argue with me on what reasons are more
important to use free software? Would
He has never used trisquel for more then a couple months. And how can you
know he doesn't use proprietary drivers, are you on his machine?
I use fedora in a laptop for my family because they need a proprietary
wireless driver don't want to buy another card. But at least I'll admit it
Why do you keep replying?
I thought you were leaving this forum. Why are you still here?
One should know how to define why something is ethical and why its not.
Thats the reasons for using free software. And my point is, to say to
someon their resons for using free software is not a good reason, and its
more about the ethics. Explains nothing but self righteousness.
5 months? thats all you lasted?
And you indeed told me you don't use trisquel cause its not popular enough.
SHame on you for being such a wussy. Be a fkn man. I heard the same thing
from Calinou. You think debian is better cause its more popular lol
gimme a break.
If I posted the chat logs you would probably lie to yourself anyways. Tell
me if you want me to and I will.
I get 3d acceleration fron nouveau. He doesn't need the prop drivers with
his i7. And he harms the community when he promotes it in #trisquel.
Thirdly, i'm a gamer, I live for
the linux libre kernel 4.1.4 withe the radeon patch works flawlessly.
They are popular for firewalls because they requires much less maintenance
then linux. Its more about a set it and forget it thing.
wow thats really what you believe? lmao. Saying proprietary software is
bad, but using it for your video games, when imo, its not needed, is not
hypocritical?
I don't know what to say to you, except that you people keep confirming to
me why noone can take free software seriously.
Here we go again control of her work work= documents written in libre
office.Do you read what you say? how did i misinterpret that? How would
using MS word be any different for you? 1. the MS WOrd is MS's hard
work 2. She would have no less control over her work when
oh now yo upped it from 5 to 7? lmao. I don't think you used it more then
2.
Tell me you didn't say you prefer debian cause its more popular. W/e that
means... That makes not only a fraud in my book, it makes you a wuss too.
hahahahah oh man i'm so disappointed in you. I thought you were one of the
good ones.
He uses prop video drivers for no reason at all. He uses it so he can see
higher fps numbers on the screen.
But take it from a gamer who doesn't have nearly as good as a cpu as calinou.
He doesn't
One should know how to define why something is ethical and why its not.
No. Any reasoning is ultimately based on principles that are not explainable
(in mathematics, they are called axioms; in ethics, they are principles).
Just try to tell me why users deserve privacy and you will see that
Does deja-dup-monitor run automatically by default once a month? If not my
computer was compromised, as usual when using linux. Sorry i had to post
here, its too coincidental.
A few days ago, it started running on boot, or when i opened up abrowser,
and started to toally eat up all
Ty for changing your posts.
I have not.
You are not better then me cause you are a developer/programmer and I'm not.
I'm glad you finally realize that.
I have never pretended otherwise.
And if its no different then why argue with me on what reasons are more
important to use free
And how can you know he doesn't use proprietary drivers, are you on his
machine?
Are you?
Developing proprietary software is denying the users freedoms they deserve.
The developer is the bad guy. The user is the victim. A user may depend on
proprietary software (I depend on a proprietary BIOS for instance), be aware
that this software harms her and criticize its developers for
Using proprietary software when you don't have to is hypocritical. Removing
free software in favor of proprietary software is hypocritical. Promoting
proprietary software over free software is hypocritical.
1. Microsoft deserves the control of the development on MS Office, i.e., I
hope (for Microsoft) that this development only happens with software that
Microsoft controls. In the same way, the user of MS Office deserves the
control of the work she achieves with Microsoft office. An editing
I know for a fact he doesn't use trisquel, because he told me himself.
And his reasons are that trisquel is less popular? Either he is more of a
wuss then I give him credit for, or that is not the real reason. The real
reasons must be the same as every other user who prefers debian.
He uses prop video drivers for no reason at all. He uses it so he can see
higher fps numbers on the screen.
Well, that is a reason. If that is true, I feel sad that he does no value his
freedoms more than a higher frame rate. Yet, that does not make him a bad
guy.
1. How does she not have control over her own work? Explain? How are they
controlling her through the server, any examples? Of course developing
proprietary software is not right, because it can be used maliciously by the
company. For example, logging keystrokes, spying on data,
bTW, I Returned from trisquel6 to trisquel7
and not from bad distributions
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Does deja-dup-monitor run automatically by default once a month?
I chose weekly backups. That can be configured of course.
If you are attempting to use software that will hand control over your
computer to its developer then you have a bigger problem thereof than whether
it “breaks”.
How can anyone not want to use trisquel because it is not popular enough for
them.
There are advantages in belonging to a larger community. Better support for
instance. But why do you even care about the validity of the reasons someone
provides to justify her use of Debian or Trisquel? You
1. I explained and gave examples.
2. I never wrote that Microsoft has the copyright on every document created
with MS Office. I explained how Microsoft controls copies of its software
and, through them, its users.
3. For the nth times: principles need no explanation. By definition.
I don't think its something I can test in a vm. I need a test machine.
You have explained nothing, I'm the one that gave you examples, which you
deem less important then ethics
2. you only claim they control its users. I gave you examples of how. You
have none of your own.
3. when you explain nothing you stand for nothing.
Your last staement says it all, You don't care, and thats why society
doesn't care about free software.
I don't say they all boil down to privacy security, only thats what it boils
down to for ME!modifying software to add features, is not important to
me. But would never make a
I gave you my reasons, privacy and security. Proprietary software is more
likely to log keystrokes, spy on data, and those companies are more likely
to sell information on you to data brokers, or ad companies. They are also
more likely to install backdoors under pressure...etc..
I agree, trisquel7's software is too old
I never configured it nor did I ever use it. I'm just wondering if by
default it runs once a month. Its the only thing I can think of, Otherwise
I was most likely compromised.
I can't find any cron scripts for it, but it might be because i already
purged it from the system.
Does parabola have an official forum? I'm searching it :/
Hiya, fellow Parabola user. 'Tis a fantastic distribution. =w=
And no, it doesn't.
There's a wiki, if you're looking for documentation.
There's the IRC channel, if you're looking for discussion.
There's the Trisquel forums, if your looking for a community.
I gave you my reasons, privacy and security.
I asked you to tell me why users deserve privacy. Your answer basically is
for privacy. You do not have any deeper explanation. It is a principle. And
I hope you now realize that any argument boils down to principles. That you
were wrong to mock
But I would never make a self righteous comment that someone elses reasons
for using free software are less important then mine to the movement. Nor
would I spend time arguing why it shouldn't be someones main reasons for
using it.
That is precisely what you do.
It is impressive how much bullshit you can pack up in a post! My favorite one
is quidam not using Trisquel.
Answering my own question.
I changed the workgroup name while logged in as admin in MyBookWorld, and now
Network access works fine from the desktop, but still there is no access
using Terminal.
Therefore, I'm not frozen out from the MyBookWorld NAS anymore, but Terminal
remains a
I'm going to use this as an opportunity to ask: has anyone else had trouble
with the Parabola repositories in the past couple days? It seems to have
stopped updating for me. If I do sudo pacman -Syu it says everything is
up-to-date and if I do sudo pacman -Syyu it successfully redownloads
Old, but not obsolete :)
There's a tiny subreddit for it: https://www.reddit.com/r/parabola/
Everything I say is true bud. I was just chatting with quidam on irc and he
couldn't tell me if it runs by default. When I asked him if thats because
he doesn't even use trisquel and prefers debian, he got really offended.
Then when I told him if he doesn't even use trisquel why should
wrong, that is what you do when you claim ethics is more important then
privacy and security. I am trying to explain to you that they are one and
the same. And anyones reasoning for using free software is no less important
then another. By claiming otherwise, you drive people away.
so then why do you prefer to use proprietary software?
You are the one that makes these claims yourself in the irc channel. You
sure are quite the character lol.
So i guess you understand why security is important. Since you now ask about
privacy let me try to explain. Users deserve privacy, because if not things
they do on their computer can be used against them.
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For example, The same way to stasi used seemingly innocent information to
I'm only telling you of my personal experience.
I had some issues this week with a couple of mirrors, but it seems that
sorted itself out.
I'm not sure what your problem is--
although there always is the possibility that your system *is* up-to-date,
and that's why it isn't updating.
Aaand just after I ask the repositories have successfully updated (except
for libre for some reason - I'd guess that will be taken care of soon). A
ton of updates coming through at once now. Thanks for the reply though.
Shellshock and Heartbleed are your personal experience? Your computer has
been attacked by people via these vulnerabilities? That must mean you run an
OpenSSL server, though I can't imagine why you would do that, and that you're
automatically executing commands in Bash based on information
For example, The same way the stasi in nazi germany (...)
Major history-knowledge fail.
just look up when the stasi was founded and when nazi germany ended
When I asked him if thats because he doesn't even use trisquel and prefers
debian, he got offended and said he was done talking to me.
Quidam is Trisquel's leader. Of course, he uses Trisquel. Stop trolling
around.
I believe he uses debian. I might as well install debian too I guess...
Users deserve privacy, because if not things they do on their computer can be
used against them.
Then, why shouldn't computer usages be used against people? At some point,
you will have to end up with because it is right or because it is wrong,
i.e., a principle.
I believe he uses debian.
So, one more time, you don't know. You just assume that people are frauds
and shout it on the forum and the IRC. Like you wrote: you just piss off
people on the Internet.
Hey Jason,
Do you know if this is being published upstream to the main Linux kernel or
at least to the Ubuntu ones? That way it makes its way down and not just for
Linux Libre. :-)
It's not that GNU/Linux isn't rock solid, it's that it's less automated, less
dumbed down, more in the way between the user and the work. Flexibility is a
double-edged sword.
The multiplicity of hardware support (sometimes without free drivers) is not
a problem that proprietary OSs have to
For once, that's a good point.
Guys, don't feed it ;)
Of course :)
Windows=BSoD
Windows=spyware
Windows=shit
Then he wonders why he's banned from every community he tries to join...
I am not aware of any plans to do that. I imagine that e.g. Ubuntu and such
are quite happy with the proprietary firmware. Even though it works it's more
of a hack anyway than a proper fix so I doubt it'd be accepted anyway.
As mentioned elsewhere on this forum work on 7.0.1 is planned to start in the
none too distant future.
Makes sense, its just a shame people like that cannot stick to the troll
hole.
I feel sorry for you guys.
Those are partly why gnulinux has been voted most vulnerable operating system
since 2013.
Regarding your windows comment, my windows hasn't been destroyed since
windows xp. In my opinion, people who think the nsa is more likley to
compromise their system then some malicous hacking
And on a side note, as a humble Trisquel 6.01 user, I'm quite content...
did you not read the rest of my post? lol...wow, let me repaste it for you.
For example, The same way the stasi in nazi germany used seemingly innocent
information to blackmail people into doing things that would hurt others in
their communities. Because things we do in private should
Ok secret service, gestapo, stasi, doesn't take away from the point.
What an achievement!
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