it's not an obvious question, so it's a good one. basically the low-cost
SoCs typically don't have SATA so can't even boot from it. the iMX6 is one
of the rare SoCs that actually supports UEFI... in a very weird way from what
i can gather...
anyway, with this computer, basically what
thanks!
5.5mm standard jack, pin positive. power supply can be anywhere between 7
and 21 volts.
we're putting an extra option on the campaign, to include one of the
triple-way cables that will do micro-usb-otg-host-charging, if ever you want
to get one yourself (we tested them, they work) it's
Also, sorry if this is obvious, I have never owned an ARM-based computer
before. Can this boot to an external hard drive like any normal computer? I
am thinking I want to use a 1 TB drive, and just boot to that.
took a while to find the picture i was looking for, which is the switch
"off", "OTG+Charge", "Hub". so the answer is MAYBE. they haven't defined
what "OTG+Charge" means. i could mean "charge in OTG client mode only,
without Hub operating".
so i wouldn't get it (unless you want to
Your antipathy towards paypal is fine. I would like to use https://taler.net/
if available. I do not want to make a voluntary payment with a payment card
and you will not display a paypal email address.
>OTG Host Charger
http://www.dx.com/p/3-port-usb-2-0-hub-with-charging-data-cable-for-mobile-phone-black-135479
Can you use this one for usb and power supply at the same time?
On 08/07/16 11:14, takna...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am getting the stand-alone card! I am having a lot of trouble figuring
> out how to add USB hubs while still maintaining the power source... does
> anybody have a definite recommendation?
>
> I am looking to spend less than $15 for say, 1 female
I am getting the stand-alone card! I am having a lot of trouble figuring out
how to add USB hubs while still maintaining the power source... does anybody
have a definite recommendation?
I am looking to spend less than $15 for say, 1 female USB, 1 female micro-USB
(for charging), and 1 male
It's not quite there yet spec wise. I did receive some *really* *really*
*really* fantastic news tonight though... I'm having a really hard time
holding back. But basically your going get some really good news about
something during the course of the crowd funding campaign!
:) So
I do like what you are doing so I will support your campaign.
64 bit
6 cell or 9 cell
8 gb ram
laptop kit for making 11 inch.
The above is what I am thinking about going forward into the late future, but
I will donate some money to you since you are doing what is just in a world
that is on
I just donated. It looks promising!
What I am thinking if is just a small computer to act as a USB key card, with
memory that isn't easily rewritable, and just extremely simple software
running on it. I don't think we need a network boot image but I'm not an
expert. I read that a free software organisation in Japan made
"never underestimate the power of crowds"
...
I also think the same, such that I'm trying to help out people
organizing action items in the LibrePlanet.org wiki, see the "Action
items" page:
https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Action_items
There is more than this list up there (for some reason,
I think they have produced designs and software so you should contact them.
I'm hoping the graphics situation will change. We're working on it... to say
the least. Don't want to jinx anything though.
I'm looking at that link and I didn't see anything about the components used
or the sources. I need to know what bootloader it is using, is it signed?
What CPU is it using, do we have the complete set of source code? There are a
lot of other factors as well. Most likely there is not a
It's a great idea. A really secure setup is probably a little more
complicated than you'd think though. You'd need to design a housing with
touch screen where the purpose of the touch screen is to enter a password to
decrypt the hard drive of the device. Then you'd need a USB to ethernet
I had some hope for the Pi-Top as some aspects of it looked good on paper.
Even during the crowd funding campaign I was a bit skeptical though. The
people behind it didn't seem to be designing it in a way that would be
'future-proof'. By that I mean some of the components wouldn't be
The reality is this project is just a starting place for what can be done
provided its fully funded and we can continue to get the support from the
community. We can double the ram, double the speed, double the storage, etc.
There is already work being done behind the scenes to get code
I agree. So... we've (ie ThinkPenguin) been funding this hardware design
project for a long time now and it's been quite a strain on our limited
resources. While we didn't get Debian forked into a new distribution and
endorsed in time for the crowd funding campaign we've made huge progress
This seems somewhat off-topic
I'd love to have more options on the graphics side than AMD and Nvidia. Their
non-free drivers are the best performing and their "open source" offerings
still require non-free firmware and perform much worse than their non-free
drivers.
I am a big gamer and I will admit that I dual boot
storage is 2x micro sd + internal usb dongle department .
so one micro sd in the computer card and one in the laptop.
you can get cheap or high spec/seed 128GB mirco sd cards starting at
£30. you can also get 256GB ssd tech in a usb flash drive package/dongle
for around £80 or a cheap 256GB usb
Did you investigate the CHIRIMEN board? It has designs already, and all
firmware and drivers seem to be freely available. Maybe you should evaluate
the CHIRIMEN as a basis for another board:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/B2G_OS/Board_guide/CHIRIMEN/CHIRIMEN_FAQ
It is
Something I think would be an interesting project would be a card for PGP
keys, with the input device on the card, to avoid software keyloggers. Is it
possible?
Thanks.
I will certainly back this project. Just one question regarding the laptop
before I decide exactly what to go for. Initially, there will be no options
for non-English keyboards, right? So I would either have to replace the
keyboard myself (if I can find one that fits the housing) or buy
ah! yes, thank you, i'm really rushed off my feet answering questions, added
them in a hurry. will go back and review. thanks for the support loldier.
The storage on the computer card is the NAND: 8 GB. I guess to get more for
the OS, you would want to boot from a MicroSD card instead (and that could
theoretically be up to 2 TB, though it really depends on what you can afford
and what is available).
If you come out with an 11 inch version at any point, (with or without
wireless card) and one with a six cell or
nine cell battery, do let me know, and also if possible I would like it to be
in DYI kit form. somewhat cheaper...
but I am curious about one thing...
how much memory does this
Sorry to be a nuisance, but do you think it would be possible to use a Libre
Tea with a Pi-Top? If so, would the result seem RYF-worthy?
Just to clarify: I'm not planning to sell this combination, let alone in
competition with Rhombus Tech.
Wow, I'm sure this is usual with crowd funding, but it was very nice too see
that I would only be charged if and once the goal is met.
I have come to trust Chris, base on his posts and participation in the forum.
Wish you the best of lucks.
I agree with you, free hardware is needed more because there is less of it...
Well when you do get a chance, 6 cell or 9 cell. ;)
I hope you will succeed. :)
this is a 1.2ghz dual core arm cortex a7 with a 32-bit-wide memory bus to
400mhz DDR3 RAM ICs. i don't follow what broadcom does because their
business model is unethical, so i can't tell you what's in the pi4.
yes shipping is from the usa.
8gb is still a reasonable cost that's not too
hiya calmstorm, good question. this is something we'll have to do in the
future... but definitely not right now. the laptop's divided by a central
spine 16mm wide and which has diagonal-bracing all the way down it so it's
pretty strong on its own. the bamboo plywood panels on the bottom
I know this is gonna sound odd... but, can you expand the limit of the
battery that can be put in that system?
Like a 9 cell or 12 cell? :) Imagine the road-warrior uses that would have...
;)
Thank you. Hardware is the same. What is performance compared to raspberry
pi4? Do you ship only from usa? Then taxes getting it into eu will add about
30usd. Is 8gb not to small? Can you boot a system from usb flash memory stick
or sd card? Is it http://freedomboxfoundation.org/ compatible?
Not using conventional grammar and orthography on a forum is acceptable but
you should seriously consider proof-reading the latter part of the
crowdsupply page. Use capital letters where they are due. It will give a more
professional and concerned-with-details impression.
hiya calmstorm, thanks for chipping in here.
the casework is surprisingly strong, for being PLA (from faberdashery)
because i use 1.5mm PCBs to provide structural strength, but also the bamboo
plywood is placed under compression from all sides and it stiffens up the
whole assembly really
The Libre Tea card (which is what's going for RYF certification) has Parabola
on it, not Debian. The Practically Perfect card isn't getting RYF
certification.
I currently have a libreboot x200. I wondered how much more sturdy it is than
this device that your going to sell.
I'm sceptical of this story. If the insects could smother a raging petroleum
fire, how could the soldiers even move?
FSF doesn't recommend Debian because it promotes nonfree software.
However, I think that if you ship a system with a custom Debian install, you
can say you aren't using Debian, but custom firmware. Similar to how
Replicant is based on Android but is considered free.
Regardless, I'm of the
I looked at the Certification_criteria page:
https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/Certification_criteria
And does debian goes in the Incompatible endorsements criteria since it's not
100% free software ?
I was wondering, the mali gpu can't have the RYF because the firmware is
closed
I'm not sure many laptops that would withstand a drop. I wouldn't count on it
here either. There are fragile parts including the screen itself.
Originally Luke (lead designer) was thinking of a smaller laptop/screen.
Fortunately I convinced him that a 15.6" screen was the way to go for a
I'm not sure many laptops that would withstand a drop. I wouldn't count on it
here either. There are fragile parts including the screen itself.
Originally Luke (lead designer) was thinking of a smaller laptop/screen.
Fortunately I convinced him that a 15.6" screen was the way to go for a
the Libre Tea has Parabola GNU/Linux-libre, the Practically Perfect has
Debian GNU/Linux - both are armhf OSes, it's just that Debian doesn't warn
users if they accidentally install risky software. the naming was chosen so
as to make a clear distinction, because if we had one Computer Card
Ah, That sounds great. Last question(s) though,
Will the device be very sturdy (hard to break if you drop it) and will they
be making smaller sizes than 15.6 like 12.5 or 13 inch?
Also, will there be an option for even stronger batteries? I would love to
hold a 10 hour web surfing charge.
What is the difference between Libre Tea Computer and Practically Perfect
Computer?
I'm not 100% sure of the details. However I believe mainly that it's the
point at which you generate your key that you need the randomness so if you
generated your key on a X86 system and then moved it to one of these systems
you'd probably be fine. However this assumes you trust your X86
hiya onopn4 could you send me a link to that so i can take a look? yes we
are aware that there is a lot of bad feeling with Allwinner, but i am the
person who has been actively working alongside Allwinner in the background
for many years to understand what is going on there and to help them
I posted this on another forum, and it is absolutely flooded with people
claiming that this is somehow "tainted" because it uses an Allwinner SoC and
Allwinner is guilty of GPL violations, trying to suggest that those of us who
care about freedom shouldn't support this project on those
allo mr banana, yes we discussed t-shirts and stickers but a couple of days
before launch, we didn't have time to get it in there - but we can always do
updates, so thank you, we'll investigate more today.
If you are going to be using encryption on these computing devices it's
advisable to get an external random number generator as there is a
possibility there there will be an insufficient source of randomness which
can compromise encryption.
See here for a device you can hook up that'll
> Crowd supply does not accept paypal.
> Is that because crowd supply does not accept paypal
where do i start? ok let's start gently with a *few* choice stories.
http://www.inc.com/eric-markowitz/paypal-crowdfunding-mailpile-foes-friends.html
ok i got it to work!
bear in mind this is parabola gnu/linux-libre, i had to install:
pacman -S xorg-xrandr xorg-util-macros xorg-server-devel xorg-utils libtool
automake
and then the remaining instructions worked fine. so, i have the fbturbo xorg
driver now installed, it's being used, it
> Is the bios completely free
yes. actually it's not a bios, it's u-boot. the A20 processor is what's
called "unbrickable" - it was designed that way by allwinner - the first
thing it does on power-up is look to see if MicroSD card slot 0 (mmc0) has an
SD-card in it. if it does, it
Is the bios completely free and does it support, 64 bit linux distros?
Also, is there an option for full disk encryption, if enough of these
questions are true I may wait for this device and save up.
http://linux-sunxi.org/Xorg#fbturbo_driver
okay so you can get an xorg driver that supports the 2D acceleration engine
(G2D) which if you switch to 16bpp makes things pretty damn quick. so it's
not like you're stuck with raw (slw) fbdev-only.
hmmm, i think i'll try that out with the
It's actually more complicated. There is some stuff that is accelerated via
hardware in relation to the graphics utilizing the free software stack. My
concern was limited to RYF certification, and I don't recall the details of
it, but basically there are different pieces that do different
yup, that was me. my point about phoning up ARM is: never underestimate the
power of crowds. one person phoning up is a nuisance - a mosquito that can
be slapped away. but have you ever seen what happens if you pour petrol onto
a tire at night and set fire to it in the middle of a jungle?
the summary is - and this surprised me to find out exactly what the FSF's
rules are - that basically average end-users must not be accidentally tricked
into running proprietary software (which could potentially end up spying on
them), for example like in Debian GNU/Linux you run synaptics,
So there are elements that you can't print yourself because the technology to
do so doesn't exist. The casework can be printed though. There are also plans
to release the PCBs, but this is ultimately less important. There are certain
minimum thresholds that have to be met to get these pieces
remember that you can also download the casework CAD files (as a python
program) and 3D-print up replacement parts too... :)
https://www.youmagine.com/designs/libre-hardware-licensed-parametric-laptop-design
"That email you quoted is from Chris."
Just as a point of order to correct the record: The message in question was
forwarded by Koz Ross and seems to have originally been written by lkcl (Luke
Leighton), not Chris. Although Chris was CC'd on the message.
Not with free software, no.
As far as 3D goes the situation is not perfect. Like the LibreBoot laptops
there are components which are not fully supported. There are no proprietary
bits needed to boot however and the desktop environment doesn't require it.
There is some hardware acceleration though so you can watch
Ok, will it have 3-D acceleration? I really want to know.
About fsf you are right. Writing that phoning arm will make them release
source software is like negotiating intel to do the same thing.
That email you quoted is from Chris. So, that's what he would answer. Or
rather, what he did answer.
Note that getting RYF certification does not require 3-D to be working. Also
note that the page says the Libre Tea will be RYF certified before it is sent
out, and if that doesn't happen,
Nice going Chris; thank you.
I was about to ask if this is something like the librem computers. Then it is
think penguin.
>We expect the Libre Tea Computer Card to receive the Free Software
Foundation's >Respects Your Freedom (RYF) certification
>either ARM to make their
>minds up to provide the sources (and you can
It was addressed here:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2016-06/msg00211.html
Indeed, Allwinner A20 system-on-chips use Mali for graphics.
So, no 3D acceleration, but as far as I know you can use 2D without blobs due
to the Lima driver.
It's really annoying but it's the best we have.
This seems like a cool idea. The crowdsupply presentation seems to indicate
even the hardware designs will be GPL'd:
"you will always be able to repair your own EOMA68 devices by 3D printing
replacement casework parts; you will always have access to the source code
and the PCB CAD files."
I don't seem to see any information on the graphics part of things. I am
concerned that something like Mali may be in use. Can you please speak to
that?
Keep up the good work mate Chris! +1
OK, I definitely want to back this. I would have backed this if it was just a
freedom-respecting computer, but a freedom-respecting computer and this
really nice modular approach? There's no way I can not back this!
This i great news. heh in fact i just came to post a link to the
crowdfund my self to promote it :). ive already made my pre-order for...
well... everything :D
It’s been great to hear your excitement for the effort. Thank you so
much for sponsoring it :D Big hand shake/hug :).
No longer do those
Over the last several years I have worked on projects with the aim of getting
code released and putting control over ones computing devices back into the
hands of the user. Working with others in the community I've managed to get
code released for wireless chipsets and funded efforts to
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