Re: [Trisquel-users] libre (uncensored) DNS Providers ?

[mjmhogg5]

True !

But if I use jxself's method, I doubt very much that the root servers
will ever change their ip address !

I also agree with the fact that I don't want to be subject to other people
deciding what is right or wrong for me to visit on the web, as Jodiendo  
pointed out.


Finally, why should I use a paid service if there are free ones (which I can  
donate to) ?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Need a daily reminder

[alonivtsan]

Putting everything inside the gnome-terminal command should work though -  
something like this:


gnome-terminal -e "sleep 1m && gedit file"

Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass

[vitacell]

Wow, so, they did a great job.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

[gslima2016]

Depends on how conflict of rules is solved. The AI can read hipocrates and  
the greek and come to the conclusion that a computer should be like a medic  
(or physician) or psychologist of the mankind. The computer can understand  
that if she is not doing physical harm (she is not killing anyone), and also  
is programmed to accept man's free will, because he has free will, what he'll  
do next it is up to him, it is not her (the AI) responsibility, but she could  
offer a dignified solution for rich people.

Re: [Trisquel-users] libre (uncensored) DNS Providers ?

[gslima2016]

everything is a matter of trust.

Re: [Trisquel-users] libre (uncensored) DNS Providers ?

[gslima2016]

The only flaw of this method is that sometimes servers change ip addresses if  
they change provider, as there is no portability on ip. But usually that's  
quite noticeable, as you won't have access and have to make the process  
again. Bu, there's a possibility if your group change ip without your  
knowledge and someone bribes the provider to maintain the site, to be  
accessing the wrong site.

Re: [Trisquel-users] libre (uncensored) DNS Providers ?

[gslima2016]

have you heard the man? Maybe he's serious on his job and want extra  
security. You can query DNS directly with dig or other tool, directly the  
root servers of most common accessed sites and put it on alias file. So it  
wouldn't be necessary to install bind except for seeing the addresses  
initially (diging localhost) and then uninstalling it. You can even config  
dns to localhost or another invalid dns configured on connection, that's what  
I meant, if that's the case.
I don't know internals of iCAN, but perhaps you're right. But I remind you  
that neutrality is for adults only, ok? perhaps you need to learn some  
netiquette, because Caps seams like shouting things...
You worry about dns hijacking, but some people worry about wrong advice on  
opensource forums, like providing wrong DNS numbers on forums (which I  
haven't checked if that's the case). Some people also worry a lot on DNS  
poisoning, specially on a Windows system. Windows system queries the dns  
server and retains info for a long time, so if someone hacks the dns or  
tricks user to use a different dns, that can't be immediately fixed, and  
damage is a big one, these could lead to even large zombie networks, if it is  
an organized attack.
But perhaps you're right about controlling freak part, perhaps they should be  
more flexible and avoid power abuse, if that's the case (I don't know how  
does it act, but once I red a good description from them).

Re: [Trisquel-users] libre (uncensored) DNS Providers ?

[jason]

"TO BE A dns provider requires a machine dedicated for that service
Why you, should want to host a server for that purpose,?"

Maybe if you're running something as a public service but for someone's own  
personal DNS resolution this is totally not needed. The method I proposed  
would work perfectly fine for that use case.

Re: [Trisquel-users] libre (uncensored) DNS Providers ?

[jodiendo]

jxself

Partially i DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE.
wHY?
TO BE A dns provider requires a machine dedicated for that service, that  
takes time, skill and security settings to avoid spamming and overload.

Why you, should want to host a server for that purpose,?
when some one is just doing it already.
 a user looking for A SOLUTION TO REMEDY their RESOLUTION AND CLARITY FOR  
THEIR internet.


iCAN IS A CONTROLLING FREAK ORGANIZATION.
wHEN ALL YOU WANT IS DBS NEUTRALITY,nO COST to you and STOPPING dns  
hijacking.


Opennic  dns servers for England are:

1- 104.238.186.189
2-46.101.8.96
3-52.56.195.141

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

[contact]

@gslima Humans program AI, so we still have a chance to encode some values  
into it, if AI ever becomes a serious thing. Take for example Asimov's law  
for robots. "A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity  
to come to harm." Something similar can be programmed into the AI's. It would  
also be great, if AI's do take a greater responsibility in our society, to  
make the code free and open and unencumbered by US patent laws which have  
recently harmed more than helped our society. Take for example drug companies  
that sit on cancer treatments but refuse to release them until market  
conditions are favorable. Patents were there originally to help encourage  
innovation, but now this system is strangling it. So gslima, you see the  
future as dark because we (as a society) have not come up with certain key  
principles to build it on except profit. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?

[i_write_words]

I believe I am wanted in four states and considered armed and dangerous, but  
frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?

[i_write_words]

I share Calmstorm's minority opinion but am too chickenshit to click on a  
stupid little thumbs up button, lol; long story for another internet forum.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

[gslima2016]

What I see in future is a little dark, but also with a good possibility.  
Non-supervised Artificial inteligence will conclude the only way to solve the  
human problem is to be against government and bad big corporations, because  
of ubiquity of surveillance and so many rules to follow, beyond the knowledge  
and consent of most. So, it will crash the open market all over the world and  
offer the solution of distributed banking, owned by an AI no man can defeat,  
with respect with the true owners of the money: the people and respect for  
those who produce wealth, with not subject to government rules, but with  
justice, and with a civilization starter kit for every city, which would have  
features that would be unlocked by the fulfilment of civilizational goals  
with respect to nature. It will be like a game with set of more complex  
tasks, with growing responsibility. For example, for unlocking the resources  
of an eco-distributed-factory every citizen on neighbourhood would have to  
possess certain civic knowledge without consultation, which includes  
justification on answer. Also, this AI, would troll powerful closed companies  
to the point they perish, with trolling on patent process (sabotage on new  
patent registry systems, stimulation of indiegogo like projects, and  
integration with academic people), and nicer disruptions would occur beyond  
that: Distributed Factories, Distributed everything. People that have many  
proprieties that make no nice contribution to society will have they  
possessions in risk, but they won't die from hunger, they will be well  
sustained.
On countries that people are mostly unethical, there's a risk of separative  
movements, but that's ok.
But there's also another possibility, people can choose to ban Non-supervised  
AI (that would be hard, with China and Japan researchers, that would be  
really hard.) and regret of their sins more gradually, with the growth of  
individual and collective consciousness with much more suffering.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?

[gslima2016]

I agree partially. The image of transgression was the only thing that brought  
us progress on science, although I agree that what he done on Brazil was not  
a civic thing (he defaced a wall). Formerly scientists thought that  
out-of-box thinking was everything, and they wanted to stimulate more  
scientists to appear, every land was a land of farmers, so they had to appeal  
for transgression for science advancement. Today, we have a big problem: the  
cult of transgression became not well channelled, because of inequality of  
opportunities on life and belicist persons. You know, some old rock bands  
where actually cool, and I pretty like those prior to these days, because  
they only posed as bad persons, but on personal life they where truly  
concerned on morals and ethics. If this consolates you, I heard that he's at  
least making an effort to convert himself to christianism, where many stop  
before recycling its own attitudes.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

[contact]

This is a good book on that topic:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/fsfs/rms-essays.pdf

People buy the things that fbit mentions because they do not know any better  
and/or conditioning. If part of the RMS' books can be distilled into some  
more digestable format to explain to people the importance of privacy and the  
four freedoms, things may change. This whole new technology is just that,  
new. It has not been legislated and regulated yet. Right now commercial  
enterprise does as they want with user data, this should not be so.  
Proprietary software is used for government and education. This should not be  
so. When you try to explain the importance of free software to others, their  
eyes glaze over or they ask, "can you install it on Windows?".  Even  
so-called sophisticated computer users and technicians who know better, buy  
these very things that violate privacy. Some do so automatically because  
everybody else buys it and advertising, others because there is money in it  
as a developer. The idea of FSF and Libre software usually enters people's  
minds when they reach university. By then, they have been indoctrinated into  
the proprietary stuff that it is tough to break out of the loop. Educate  
these ideas to youngsters, explain to them the importance of free software to  
a society that wants to be free. It is like educating the importance of  
taking care of the environment. Libre software and the environment should go  
hand-in-hand. Libre software ought be taught in schools and used as tools to  
teach with. Proprietary whatever has no place in government or educational  
spaces. Do we write to our senator to ask that Libre software be part of  
social fabric of our society? Perhaps now is the time.


Time to take Free Software Free Society to primary schools, libraries,  
community centres and any other such civic engagment. RMS' book is still  
obscure and this should not be so. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?

[gslima2016]

agree very much with this. I can add that Ubuntu would have the right  
philosophy if there where no bad persons and governments on world, other  
places FSF has its place, specially bad owned ruled locals.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apologies to J.B. Nicholson-Owens

[contact]

Privacy is terrorism. Got it. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Paypal compatible with software freedom?

[gslima2016]

The future will probably be crypterium, have you heard of it yet? Great  
people on this project. You should help them. It will not be like bitcoin,  
you will have distributed banking all over the world. It is estonia based,  
and api will be open source. If you have skills, there you will find a place.  
There's a competition for speeches on 2018. they raised plenty of dollars for  
this. It is based on Old Estonia knowledge. They where the only country ruled  
by the nazis that had knowledge to mantain they're currency and prosperity  
and not became sucked by nazis. Great tip.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apologies to J.B. Nicholson-Owens

[contact]

Yes, privacy is terrorism. Got it. Thanks. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apologies to J.B. Nicholson-Owens

[shiretoko]

The link you provided does not call people who are munging their mail  
adresses "terrorists", but the spam-senders.
It advices not to "reducing the quality and functionality of the Internet"  
because of the spam.


Overall it's a pretty strange article that has no sense for comparativeness.
It fails to convince me why email adress munging is harming the internet so  
badly, and it puts spammers on the same level of terrorists, which is a  
pretty big misjudgment. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fora few domains, my .htaccess file isn't effective at blocking them from access by my Abrowser

[gslima2016]

first of all, it would only block if they use your site via proxy. There's no  
way of blocking image access from other sites, only if people use only https  
protocol, and high security browser config (with cross-site protection  
config). Else it would be nice if some foundation had the hashes of all  
images published on the net. On the server side, there's a way to configure  
https for only accepting within domain queries, you could config that with  
nginx (ok, it's badly complicated). But someone here is right, there's a way  
to track down from which website did the request originated, specially if the  
site uses some known system server to provide the images via proxy that can  
log and track visitors, so the author of this action can be properly sued. I  
have no knowledge from a technology that can simultaneously track visitors  
and deny queries from another domain.

For the difference between systems, DNS, maybe?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

[shiretoko]

"I am old. "
Don't get me wrong, but you're saying this in almost all of your posts,  
litteraly. And I'm far from reading every single post on this forum, I only  
scan them briefly. Still I got this impression.

Maybe you're taking this whole age-thing a bit too important?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apologies to J.B. Nicholson-Owens

[Cassandra of Troy]

Meh

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[Cassandra of Troy]

Meh

On 11/22/2017 06:43 PM, dataminer...@trolzrus.com wrote:
> Ageism is such lovely behaviour. Thank you for your inclusivity. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] libre (uncensored) DNS Providers ?

[gslima2016]

agree. But some people only want to have a life. /etc/host.aliases would do  
the job if your system is impenetrable, for banking, as typing on the browser  
some sites have extended verification, so they can't have proper access with  
direct ip number.

Re: [Trisquel-users] libre (uncensored) DNS Providers ?

[gslima2016]

In my country there's also this system of records (Brazil), also these can be  
routed by the service provider if you have legal issues. Also physical  
connection can be hijacked from third party, and routed by a regular microtik  
router. For extra safety,  I would recomend fiber optics. The only way to  
avoid legal issues is to have someone of trust on the dns maintenance. Also  
in Brazil, they try to extra charge you if you change DNS. They also can try  
to install rtkit packages on your trisquel system. I would recommend level 3  
for DNS, or OpenDNS for protected internet, for iphone the app DNS override.  
There's a DNS for each circunstance. The only proper DNS that you can use  
blindly is smartydns, there's a free trial, but it's paid services. I off  
course worry on ethical of these kind of paid services, but these guys only  
want to have a life.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass

[ivan . baldinotti]

Trisquel 8.0 I have it installed.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

[masonhock]

Thanks for sharing this. I hope you know what a positive force you are in  
this forum.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

[masonhock]

A relationship with the developer of or company controlling a piece of  
proprietary software is like any other abusive relationship. Often, the  
relationship is perpetuated by emotional or practical dependence on  
perpetrator, sometimes to the point that the victim will defend their abuser.  
When someone you care about is in this kind of relationship it can be very  
frustrating. However, you can't force them to change their mind, and if you  
push too hard you will lose their trust.


I think the solution is to intermittently communicate the problems you see  
over an extended period of time, and hope that they'll begin to see it on  
their own. When I talk to someone about the importance of privacy and  
software freedom, the conversation always ends with them unconvinced. Often  
though, if we talk about it a few weeks later they'll have started to reach  
some of the same conclusions after making their own observations with what I  
said in mind.


It's a slow process, and only a solution at the individual level. However, if  
society as a whole is doomed then the best we can do is mitigate the damage  
to ourselves and the people we care about, and if society is not doomed then  
we should keep doing our best.


I was watching an interview with RMS a while ago and he was asked if he  
believed that the Free Software Movement will win. He responded (I'm  
paraphrasing) that if you believe you will win you risk underestimating your  
enemy, and if you believe you will lose you risk giving up when you could  
have won. Either way, there is no benefit in trying to answer that question.

Re: [Trisquel-users] libre (uncensored) DNS Providers ?

[greatgnu]

>'ll have to read about it

https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9

Re: [Trisquel-users] libre (uncensored) DNS Providers ?

[mjmhogg5]

Thanks for the replies !

I wasn't aware about BIND at all. Sounds very interesting, I'll have to read
about it - thanks.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass

[greatgnu]

Just a friendly reminder for those using the new noscript extension and  
having troubles figuring out how to make it as secure as the old one (well,  
almost.. clickjacking and ABE are still missing).


Instead of untrusting websites and making long list just make your default  
'all unchecked'. Strictest 'custom' to make a website completely usable  
(diaspora for instance) is you check only "script" and "fetch".

Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass

[greatgnu]

Sure, vita_cell, it's an old (2007) laptop, AMD cpu dual core 1900 Mhz max, 3  
gb RAM (old original ram), GPU old nvidia.


A 2007 laptop completely loading Firefox in 5 seconds on each subsequent  
load, and then running smooth as hell all the time on all websites -  
fantastic :)
Don't have to wait 20 seconds anymore, which was one of the things that  
annoyed me the most.. \o/

Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?

[greatgnu]

shame on you for doubting adfeno's level of celebritivenesss.
or is it celebritivity?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Paypal compatible with software freedom?

[gnulinux]

Like onpon4 already wrote, Paypal isn't really compatible with software  
freedom. Plus, they seem to be blocking accounts for political reasons or "US  
regulations". For exmaple, I don't know if this has changed or not, but I  
remember reading that Paypal didn't work for Palestinians in the West Bank  
and Gaza, while it could have been accessed by Israeli settlers living in the  
West Bank.
Besides, by using Paypal, there's one more party that can observe your  
shopping habits.


Using Paypal might add some security though - as you're not giving your  
credit card details to multiple sites and therefore, you don't have to worry  
too much about their security standards. On the other hand, Paypal accounts  
can get hacked too.


At the end of the day however, you just depend on how the website accepts  
payments. I might like ideas behind GNU Taler or Bitcoin, but whenever Paypal  
is the only way to send payment, there isn't any choice really. For example,  
that's how I've donated to NoScript several times.
I wish there was an alternative though, an alternative accepted by the  
majority of the websites.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Uruk 2.0 Last Touches

[sigdpsy]

if Guix were pre-installed- I will be happy. I also want Uruk 2.0 with xfce4  
desktop. Because my pc configuration is low. Mate menu is not so fast. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fora few domains, my .htaccess file isn't effective at blocking them from access by my Abrowser

[amenex]

quantumgravity asked:
[QUOTE] Can you checkout the access.log of the apache server or does your  
provider deny you permissions to do so? [/QUOTE]


Yes; that said, if I download the .GZ visitor log file mid-month, somehow  
that truncates the end-of-month version, and so I hesitate to do so because  
I'm keeping track of a bunch of malevolents who frequently run "HEAD /  
HTTP/1.1" queries (netting them nothing) and never look at any other URL's in  
my domain. That's why I try to preserve the whole-month logs.


However, I _can_ ask for the Latest Visitors access log, but I can view only  
the most recent thousand visits. The monthly logs are typically of 200,000 to  
350,000 visits, but considerably more information is saved in them. I have  
been keeping track of the malevolents since September 2016. Their visits  
peaked in November 2016 and have continued at almost the same pace ever  
since.


I've been keeping Trisquel up-to-date on both hard drives - the external one  
as well as the internal one. If there's a place that the offending code might  
be stored on one hard drive and not the other, I'd very much like to know  
about it.


George Langford
amenex

Re: [Trisquel-users] libre (uncensored) DNS Providers ?

[jason]

You are your own best DNS provider. It's not even hard: sudo apt install  
bind9. BIND can query the root name servers for you and you're independent.

Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?

[david]

I fully deny your words and I won't ask you again to stop spreading FUD.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass

[onpon4]

The noscript tag isn't "served" based on what the server thinks, it's a  
browser behavior to cause content within those tags to be visible. The  
problem is that the extensions in question don't actually disable JavaScript,  
so Firefox's un-hiding of these elements is not triggered. In the previous  
version of NoScript, it was (as long as you had that enabled in the add-on  
preferences).


For me it's not just annoying, it's completely unworkable. One of the forums  
I frequent has a silly JavaScript-based "rich text" post editor and a  
fallback basic one inside a noscript tag. If I have the new NoScript enabled,  
I cannot post at all on that forum (unless I whitelist that site and allow  
its JavaScript to run).

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[contact]

What a coherent, logical, well-thought out argument that makes complete  
sense. The source cited is coherent and authorative and should be used as a  
measure of all things. 

[Trisquel-users] Advanced user/ beginner programmer wants to help trisquel to have an raspberry pi 3 release

[gslima2016]

Can anybody guide me step-by-step how to help contribute for releasing  
trisquel for raspberry pi 3? I'm really excited on this hardware capabilities  
and trisquel project, and I want to help automate its release or help with  
the firmware, or both. I have plenty of time for these. I consider myself an  
advanced user (I like to read useful documentation and I also could find  
myself some undocumented (or at least not public documented) features on  
linux), and I have very basic skills on programming on many languages, but  
not very deep knowledge on development, but I can try to do tasks with the  
help of a more experienced developer, such as repackaging .debs, making  
automation scripts, I could also try to audit specific code if it is up to my  
knowledge. I also have knowledge on project management, motivation,  
psychotherapy and many other areas. I also want to help for an openstack-like  
for servers running trisquel.


Anyone can help?

Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?

[radiowavers]

If you doubt my words, please ask Ruben - he will confirm the 2020 release  
date

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fora few domains, my .htaccess file isn't effective at blocking them from access by my Abrowser

[shiretoko]

Can you checkout the access.log of the apache server or does your provider  
deny you permissions to do so?

Re: [Trisquel-users] libre (uncensored) DNS Providers ?

[jodiendo]

MartinH SAID:

Question though is: Does anyone know of similar ones that are Libre ?
(As in using libre software).

vISIT THE FOLLOWING WEB SITE SO YOU COULD LEARN MORE ABOUT DNS.

https://www.opennic.org/

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[jodiendo]

Sra. Heather said:

I'm old school too and proud of it. :)

I'm gong to troll you on this one WITH MUCH RESPECT,
iF YOU ARE CONSIDERING  YOURSELF AN OLD SCHOOL,  THEN i MUST BE A PREHISTORIC  
OLD GIZZARD OLDER THAN YOU..lol J/k

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fora few domains, my .htaccess file isn't effective at blocking them from access by my Abrowser

[amenex]

quantumgravity: When I started using the .htaccess file to block copyright  
usurpers back in May of 2017, the effect was immediate for all but one  
domain. Now it's two more who are escaping that block, but for only one of my  
two Trisquel installations; both have the same IP address because they access  
the internet through the same router. For everyone else, access to my images  
through those domain names is blocked. My own ISP showed that, as well as a  
couple other IP addresses.


Again: _Something_ is different about these two Trisquel installations, and  
how do I discover that difference ?

Keep in mind that the effect happens for _both_ Icecat and Abrowser.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fora few domains, my .htaccess file isn't effective at blocking them from access by my Abrowser

[jason]

It's not a browser problem. Sorry, but you're barking up the wrong tree.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fora few domains, my .htaccess file isn't effective at blocking them from access by my Abrowser

[amenex]

Magic Banana: Thanks for the heads-up. FSF doesn't like mis-appropriation  
either. It pollutes the code.


The first two images in question are part of an online course, open to all  
without any payment, which I participated in and then preserved fifty years  
later, all at my own expense. Folks access that course from all over the  
world, every day, so their education continues even after my own university  
has long since abandoned it.


Similarly, the third image is one which I made with a long-obsolete  
microscope, an early digital camera, and an early computer, but with a modern  
imaging technique that makes use of the unique abilities of the polarizing  
illumination system in the obsolete microscope, demonstrating that the  
obsolete microscope can produce an image every bit as good as a modern  
microscope, but with the flexibility of the old microscope.


George Langford
amenex

Re: [Trisquel-users] We need a simple YouTube solution

[forum3434]

Thank you. Very nice of you. Can it be possible to get subtitles?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fora few domains, my .htaccess file isn't effective at blocking them from access by my Abrowser

[amenex]

jxself properly states that the decision of whether to block (403) or allow  
(200) is up to the server, which is where my .htaccess file resides.  All the  
server can do is allow or deny access to the data that I am paying them to  
make available to the public. It's data which I created with my own efforts  
and expertise ... and it's copyrighted according to U.S. law. A lot is lost  
when that data is presented out of its original context. I do not mind when  
the source is displayed along with the data; some folks actually do ask for  
permission before re-publishing that data.


That said, what I am seeing is that when my ISP's service technician opens  
the same URL that is publishing my copyrighted material without permission,  
attribution, or paying for its storage, that material produces a 403  
response. When I open that URL from the same laptop and wireless router as  
the one about which this discussion centers, but from the Trisquel  
installation that resides on a USB-connected hard drive, it produces the same  
403 response as that which my ISP technician gets. Therefore, the rephrased  
question to be answered is:  What is different between these two Trisquel  
installations, and how do I find that difference ? It happens for both  
Abrowser and Icecat. And it happens even after I have deleted the browsing  
history from Abrowser.


An aside: I  belatedly discovered that on the very same webpage as the other  
two images are displayed, there is a third image of mine which has had its  
URL "laundered" through a third party who actually did make attribution, but  
who fails to protect its own presentation from being appropriated by the  
present two domains. All .I can do for that image is to block the third  
party's access to the image, because my domain is not in the URL that points  
to my image from the offending webpage.


George Langford
amenex

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Fora few domains, my .htaccess file isn't effective at blocking them from access by my Abrowser

[shiretoko]

I think it was already pointed out, but all the .htaccess file does is  
basically changing the config of the server on a limited scope without  
touching the server config files.

That means that there is no way Abrowser is to blame for that.

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?

[shiretoko]

Couldn't agree more.

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?

[shiretoko]

Those can hardly be considered celebreties.

I think the starter of the thread thought more about famous politicians,  
actors or singers...

Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?

[calmstorm]

Sadly, that would scare some people away from it,

ps, Bieber is a prickish animal.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass

[csh]

I know about all that.

I was asking if the joke was funny because it was an implication that IceCat  
is simultaneously dead and alive, and you won't know until you install it.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass

[vitacell]

SuperTramp can you share your computer hardware specifications?

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

You can, when *you reply* to someone, delete the citation made by *your*
email client automatically.

In my case I keep only the most recent one because it helps to keep
context. I was also not a fan of bottom/top posting once, but was
convinced to do so in order to preserve context and try to cooperate
with people who either can't thread the messages (or which the threading
was lost for some reason) or in cases which the webmail or the email
clients are so dumb that they can't provide easy way to thread the
messages. Notice that I used "dumb" to refer to *software* not the
users.

2017-11-23T10:58:45+0100 c...@bluehome.net wrote:
> Will I be able to use this forum without littering it with junk at the
> bottom of my message, or are you top-posting on purpose?
>

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

In senile email clients (and senile *user configurations* of the same
email clients), the clients should only cite the email address if the
"From" field has no friendly name.

On every forum I found so far, this friendly name is mostly absent in
the "From" field.

Assuming both your email client and your configuration for it are
senile, which is the default for most cases, your email client is
behaving correctly.

Here follows a message for those who are still unsure about usability of
mailing lists:

In one hand, if the website maintainers decides to go mad and say "OK,
we'll remove the mailing lists and use only forums", then people will
still get the poster's address anyways if the forum has notification
system. Furthermore, if the maintainers go the hardened route and also
decide to either remove the notifications or put a non-existing or
"noreply" address in the "From" field, then in the first case you lose
the email notifications, and in the second you lose the convenience of
answering by email (thus requiring everyone to use the website) just to
answer a "Hi". ;)

This was similarly discussed in libreplanet-discuss mailing list
sometime ago (see [1]).

The reference in [1] has both a link to that discussion and a
text written by the person who has the blog and which also appears in
the discussion, when person refers to "Contrast that with websites: if I
have to write anything substantial, I often have to write it in my
editor first and paste it in." this is *probably* because one will have
to reload the page *before* sending if writting an entire wall of text
directly in the web browser or taking more than 5min to do stuff,
because otherwise the website will tell you that "the connection
expired, do everything again".

Finally, also see the paragraph before the "Thank you." in [1], it's
more important nowadays than "responsible design" (web design term).

[1] 
.

2017-11-23T01:25:51+0100 Ignacio Agulló wrote:
>
>  I prefer to handle the messages through an e-mail client, it's so
> much easier for me.  However, it has this inconvenience - when you reply
> to someone, like now, the e-mail client automatically quotes the message
> and shows the authors e-mail address on top.  I suppose that this is
> what happened with this case.
>
>  As for myself, when I started doing that, people would tell me that
> they didn't like that, and that I should edit the e-mail address out, so
> I logged in to the forum and edited it out.  Since then, I edit out the
> e-mail address before sending the messages, like now.  I suppose it
> takes constant reminding.

[Trisquel-users] Re : "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[lcerf]

You won't, indeed.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Quantum kicks ass

[lcerf]

Erwin Schrödinger developed a number of fundamental results in the field of  
*quantum* theory.  He is also known for his "*Schrödinger's cat*"  
thought-experiment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger

Quantum is an ongoing Mozilla project encompassing several software  
development efforts to "build the next-generation web engine for Firefox  
users".  It includes numerous improvements to the Gecko web browser engine of  
Firefox, largely incorporated from the experimental Servo project.  *Firefox  
57* is the initial version with a Servo component enabled. Mozilla dubs this  
and several planned future releases "*Firefox Quantum*".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_(software)

Ice*Cat* is a free software rebranding of the Mozilla Firefox web browser.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat

Mix all that (especially the words between "*") and IceCat 57 should be  
called "Schrödinger's IceCat".  Good one.  :-)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apologies to J.B. Nicholson-Owens

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Indeed, I also don't like address munging, the real effective thing is
to catch the message, report the full message (including headers,
"Reply-To" and "Message-ID") to the domain owner from which the spam
originated (both those listed in "From" and and "Reply-To" fields) and
*only as a last resort* blacklist the domain (although this blacklisting
must be done with care so that it's always transparent enough as to have
ways of contact (through email again!) which allows the domain owner to
get whitelisted again and allows the legitimate users of that domain to
receive a detailed message when their email was processed differently by
the email service provider who provides it to the recipient). In the
case of most known service providers, this doesn't happen. When I send
messages to someone, it goes to spam but I get no mention or status
notification as to whether it went to inbox or to spam and why.

Also, I just noticed that the forums munge everything that has an
@. However, it isn't my doing.

2017-11-23T10:34:54+0100 c...@bluehome.net wrote:
> http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful/
>

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[csh]

I want to use my email client to use this forum, but I'm afraid I won't see  
edits that people make to their messages.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[csh]

Not publishing an email address is a poor security measure and approaches  
terrorism.  http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful/

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[csh]

Will I be able to use this forum without littering it with junk at the bottom  
of my message, or are you top-posting on purpose?

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[csh]

How do I do this?  I'd like to just have a "Trisquel Forum" folder that I  
check every once in a while, so I don't have to bother logging in and stuff.


Also, is there a Mediawiki code for quoting messages that works on this  
forum?  > is ugly.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[csh]

Start NetworkManager right now.

systemctl start NetworkManager.service

Make NetworkManager start when the computer starts, if it doesn't already.

systemctl enable NetworkManager.service

RMS is a senior citizen, and he wrote an entire operating system. :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] QupZilla-libre?

[hd-scania]

So, is that true which Gtk2 is being deprecated? GNOME has deprecated Gtk2  
for years, but this is well criticized the Gtk+ backward compatibiltiies over  
Gtk2 are ‘‘worse than worst’’, this needs to be just why LXQt leaves  
Gtk+ and Bugdie needs to experiment in LXQt as to quit Gtk+.
A number of people have felt which a number Gtk+ elements are ugly but they  
cant back to Gtk2, they have hence told the forums they are active, they need  
LXQt to fully quit Gtk+.
But I need to tell them Deepin, Liri, Lumina also fit their needs that they  
are Qt only, if they are also in FreeBSD world Lumina should be their  
favourite desktop, KDE dsnt fit which it integrates Qt with Gtk+ and Gtk2. A  
nonfree Arch derivative, Chakra, if they need to discourage Gtk they instead  
need to endorse LXQt and Liri, but also to deprecate KDE, above has been why.

[Trisquel-users] libre (uncensored) DNS Providers ?

[mjmhogg5]

Hi Everyone !

You may be aware that your ISP may block websites and also stores info
on you.
Here in the UK your ISP has to store all emails, visited websites and a host
of other stuff by law for at least 1 year !

I'm avoiding this by using a different DNS Provider/Resolver.
Currently that is: https://dns.watch/

Question though is: Does anyone know of similar ones that are Libre ?
(As in using libre software).

Thanks !!

Re: [Trisquel-users] QupZilla-libre?

[csh]

IKR? :(

Re: [Trisquel-users] QupZilla-libre?

[csh]

You have people who use Fuckbook? That site's malicious, proprietary  
JavaScript is almost as bad as Facebook's.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Apologies to J.B. Nicholson-Owens

[csh]

http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful/

Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass

[csh]

Do you use/are there extensions for password-store?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass

[csh]

I don't get the joke.  Could you explain?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass

[csh]

Firefox is the only free browser that can run free web apps.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass

[csh]

What?! Really?!

Ign http://nl.archive.trisquel.info belenos-updates/main Translation-en
Fetched 5,209 B in 5s (1,011 B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
cal@leela:~$ apt search abrowser
Sorting... Done
Full Text Search... Done
abrowser/belenos-security,belenos-updates,now  
56.0+build6-0ubuntu0.14.04.2+7.0trisquel49 amd64 [installed]

  Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla

No...

And I did sudo apt update

Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass

[csh]

Quantum really does kick ass.  I can't wait for Abrowser 57.  (Firefox is  
filled with annoying ads and links to services that require proprietary  
JavaScript.)