Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with startup on Trisquel

2018-02-03 Thread ar018
Any chance lightdm depends on gnome? You might want to check /var/log/apt/history.log (or ~.N.gz) to see if lightdm (or some other important package) was removed along gnome. Also "dpkg -l lightdm*" might help. I'm not a Trisquel user (just guessing) so please take it with a grain of

Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-02-03 Thread studio
I have no tactics so please stop looking for such and assigning them to me. I am simply allergic to people deliberately twisting the meaning of what is being said. It's time wasting and annoying. Protecting forum posts with copyright and licenses is insanity. If 2 people communicate by

[Trisquel-users] Re : Gnome themes

2018-02-03 Thread lcerf
Is there is even software in themes?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-02-03 Thread Mason Hock
> I will never accept anything from anyone who > tells me "I can potentially help" and then imposes regulations on that > "help" (however 'ethical' anyone may consider that). I thought that if a program works as expected and is open and transparent we don't need additional freedoms. :) I've

[Trisquel-users] Gnome themes

2018-02-03 Thread s1lv3r1997
Is safe to install themes from https://www.gnome-look.org? Can this file be malwares?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Extended-Term Support

2018-02-03 Thread jason
"Or can it be other reasons to use older kernels?" Yes, I suppose there could be any number of reasons. One I can think of is the radeon kernel module. On newer kernel versions the module is known to fall over and die when the proprietary junk is not present, resulting in the computer

[Trisquel-users] Re : Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread lcerf
Thank you for the discussion. :-)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread ar018
> Here is a Shell script, "fact.sh", that reads integers on the standard input and factorizes them: Thank you for elaborating on this. Actually your example perfectly falls within "caching for a strategic reason". There are 2 points in your example, deserving further elaboration.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-02-03 Thread studio
> No copyright would actually mean the classical copyright, under the Berne convention. "No copyright" would mean that if my whole post was just these 2 words. But those 2 words are extracted from a sentence which contains additional and essential info. https://unlicense.org/ > Good

[Trisquel-users] Re : Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread lcerf
Here is a Shell script, "fact.sh", that reads integers on the standard input and factorizes them: #!/bin/sh while read nb do factor $nb done Calling it with twice the same integer and measuring the overall run time: $ printf

Re: [Trisquel-users] Extended-Term Support

2018-02-03 Thread svenerik_vn
Interesting. I think I understand a little better now. There are still some things I find strange though. Let's say you're using the latest kernel and everything seems to be working fine, is it logical to say that it's recommended to use the newest one then? Or can it be other reasons to use

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-02-03 Thread lcerf
This is sheer nonsense and yet another attempt to renew someone's favorite discussion about 4 freedoms and all the rest of it. Everybody can observe that you are, once again, the one bringing back the four freedoms. The GitHub repo I opened will use "The Unlicense" which means no copyright

Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread onpon4
heyjoe's insistence that "scarce" just means "finite" is nothing more than a linguistic distraction to avoid admitting that no one ever said RAM was infinite. MB has already clarified what he means by "scarce". I use the same exact definition. If you or heyjoe want to use "scarce" to mean

[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-02-03 Thread lcerf
Without a © it is basically public domain, and cannot be subjected to a license. If only that could be the case! Unfortunately, under the Berne convention (signed by almost all the countries in the world), the copyright is automatic. The "classical" copyright I mean. Where you are

Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread onpon4
DFSG is not 100% compatible with GNU FSDG. That said, the reason for the assertion that WebEngine is non-free is that it's based on Chromium. I have never seen anyone actually evidence the claim that Chromium is proprietary.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread ar018
> It is just that the kernel cannot take initiatives that require application-level knowledge (such as the fact that a function will often be called with the same arguments). The programmer has to do the work in that case. No, it is perfectly within the kernel's initiative. Kernel does not

[Trisquel-users] Re : Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread lcerf
You see, we are back to the subtleties between grand design and tactical design choices. It really depends on for which purpose you allocate RAM. I agree. There is no reason to re-implement what the kernel does (probably better). If it is for *direct* data caching, then it is both

Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread ar018
Resources are always scarce (limited) and should be used responsibly. >>> They are always limited. They are not always scarce. >> Scarce means restricted in quantity. >No, it does not. It means "insufficient to satisfy the need or demand": http://www.dictionary.com/browse/scarce

Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread studio
Arguing with fruits is a waste of time.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread lcerf
Etymologies are not definitions. The source you cite tells it on its front page: Etymologies are not definitions; they're explanations of what our words meant https://www.etymonline.com In the case of "scarce", the page you show says "c. 1300". So, that is what what "scarce" meant circa

Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread ar018
> The kernel cannot know a costly function will be frequently called with the same arguments and will always return the same value given the same arguments (i.e., does not depend on anything but its arguments). A cache at the application-level is not reimplementing the caches at

Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-02-03 Thread studio
> For a (any) licence to take legal effect, the work has to be legally owned by some entity, i.e. copyrighted, AFAIK. Exactly. There is no such thing as anonymous copyright holder or licensor. You can't go to court and say "I am the completely anonymous person of that forum post and

[Trisquel-users] Re : Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread lcerf
And also because DRAM is accessed page-wise. Changing page is much more expensive than accessing data on the same (already selected) page. Yes, there is that too. And accessing recent pages is fast thanks to yet another cache, the translation lookaside buffer:

Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-02-03 Thread ar018
For a (any) licence to take legal effect, the work has to be legally owned by some entity, i.e. copyrighted, AFAIK. Without a © it is basically public domain, and cannot be subjected to a license. So, I gather that MagicBanana is not demanding, but kindly requesting that the work to be

Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-02-03 Thread shiretoko
> So you are pasting lines of code in a public forum claiming that by using this code any completely anonymous person is signing a legal agreement with you (an anonymous licensor) and that that this has legal power? Are you serious? Why should it matter where he releases his software?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant (unofficially) at FOSDEM '18

2018-02-03 Thread member
Hi Guys where do we meet? Preferably around 19:00, when all the talks are over...

Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread studio
Now you can type another 50 pages of argumentation that the dictionary of your choice is the ultimate source of truth, how wrong everyone else is and that this is very related to lightweight browsers.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread studio
> The obvious thing to do is that, you must allocate no more RAM than you really need, and leave the rest (deciding what to do with free RAM) to the kernel. Glad to see that at least 1 person understands what was saying.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread ar018
> Qupzilla has severe freedom issues according to Hyperbola - it depends on nonfree qt5-webengine. Are you sure about that? Initially I had taken your word for it, then recently wanted to check it for myself. Both Qupzilla and all its dependencies (including libqt5webengine*) are in the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread ar018
> Manipulating data that is sequentially stored in RAM is faster because of CPU cache and sequential prefetching And also because DRAM is accessed page-wise. Changing page is much more expensive than accessing data on the same (already selected) page. > The same idea, at another level,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-02-03 Thread ar018
> The program I work on (pattern mining, nothing to do with Web browsers) is a 650 kB binary which can easily use GB of RAM Dedicated software usually has its own very peculiar resource needs. Once I was working on an R program of 100K or so in size that consumed moderate RAM while maxing

Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-02-03 Thread studio
Thanks but I automation like this (based on ">50%" or similar) seems dangerous to me. These are important settings and my plan is to give the user the ability to control what he sets, not some automatic script. > By the way, all the software I write, including the two scripts in this