Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with OS after upgrade

2018-06-12 Thread Mason Hock
> Purge removes too much, usually not only the package but things that depend
> on the package so it will break your system by getting rid of too much
> stuff.

'apt remove' also removes things that depend on the package. According to the 
apt man page, the only difference between remove and purge is the removal of 
config files. Purge doesn't remove additional packages.

"Removing a package removes all packaged data, but leaves usually small 
(modified) user configuration files behind, in case the remove was an accident. 
Just issuing an
installation request for the accidentally removed package will restore its 
function as before in that case. On the other hand you can get rid of these 
leftovers by calling
purge even on already removed packages. Note that this does not affect any data 
or configuration stored in your home directory."

To test this, I ran 'sudo apt remove pulseaudio', looked at the packages that 
would have been removed, cancelled, and then ran 'sudo apt purge pulseaudio' 
and compared. It's the same packages, none of which are system breaking when 
removed. The only packages that were not metapackages or directly related to 
pulseaudio that were removed are indicator-sound and indicator-sound-gtk2, 
which were restored by reinstalling trisquel and trisquel-recommended.

> You probably won't be able to boot into your Desktop Environment.

This is a risk of purging (or reomving) packages recklessly, and you are right 
that one should be careful. However, in the case of pulseaudio I have done this 
before and tested it again just now. I purged pulseaudio, rebooted, logged in, 
and was able to reinstall pulseaudio, trisquel, and trisquel-recommended. After 
rebooting again, sound worked as it had before.

> You can remove config files of pulseaudio manually, and just do a remove
> pulseaudio

This is what purge does.

> Always be very careful with purge. It will break your system most of the
> time.

Again, maybe this is true with some packages, but in the case of pulseaudio I 
have just tried it myself and it was not a problem.


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Want to play some games, best way to install (Trisquel 8)

2018-06-12 Thread hd-scania

sudo pacman -Su --noconfirm libretro
 https://parabola.nu/groups/x86_64/libretro
Run this on Parabola if you also have Parabola installed. For Trisquel you  
can also try to search for the same using,

apt search libretro


Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with OS after upgrade

2018-06-12 Thread happy_gnu

Again please do not do this.


Purge removes too much, usually not only the package but things that depend  
on the package so it will break your system by getting rid of too much stuff.


You probably won't be able to boot into your Desktop Environment.

You can remove config files of pulseaudio manually, and just do a remove  
pulseaudio



Always be very careful with purge. It will break your system most of the  
time.








Re: [Trisquel-users] Speed up boot process of Trisquel 8

2018-06-12 Thread svenerik_vn

nice


Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with OS after upgrade

2018-06-12 Thread Mason Hock
> Thank you for this awareness! :-)

happy_gnu is right that you probably want pulseaudio. However, it might be a 
worth a shot to temporarily remove it along with any config files that could be 
causing the problem, and then adding things back in one at a time. 

Try removing pulseaudio with

$ sudo apt purge pulseaudio

Unlike 'apt remove', 'apt purge' gets rid of config files, so if there's 
something wrong with your configuration this will give us a clean slate.

Then reboot, and see if the slow startup issue is fixed. If it is, reinstall 
pulseaudo,

$ sudo apt install pulseaudio

and run it in a terminal.

$ pulseaudio

If the the terminal hangs instead of prompting you to enter a new command, 
that's good. It means that pulseaudio is running. Try playing something in vlc, 
playing something in abrowser, and adjusting volume settings. If anything goes 
wrong, see if an error message appears in the terminal.

You might be missing the volume applet in your panel or something like that, in 
which case it was likely removed as a reverse dependency of pulseaudio. That's 
fine for now. Just see if vlc/abrowser/etc work.

If everything seems okay, reboot again and see if you have sound (1) at the 
login screen and (2) after logging in. If you do not, add or reselect 
pulseaudio in Startup Applications and try again.

Once/if pulseaudio is starting on login and working normally, add back in any 
utilities that got removed when we removed pulseaudio by reinstalling the 
trisquel and trisquel-recommended metapackages

$ sudo apt install trisquel trisquel-recommended


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread 189 . rytege
> We should assume that any proprietary software developed by Google is not  
privacy-respecting.


And we should assume that any proprietary software developed by google,  
amazon, facebook, apple, microsoft is violating basic freedoms... and  
democracy in consequence.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread 189 . rytege
When you are using youtube-dl or downloading videos from youtube, you are  
feeding the google (saying which videos are having success: very good for the  
google business model) -> Do not feed the google ;-)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with OS after upgrade

2018-06-12 Thread 189 . rytege

Thank you for this awareness! :-)


Re: [Trisquel-users] No Sound After Trisquel Mini Install T60

2018-06-12 Thread happy_gnu

please do not do "sudo apt purge pulseaudio"
purge can remove too much and break your system.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with OS after upgrade

2018-06-12 Thread happy_gnu
you are probably joking,  but i strongly advice against this, for one "purge"  
can remove too much and break the system, but also PulseAudio is required for  
sound on things like firefox, I don't know if Abrowser requires it but  
removing pulseaudio can cause even more trouble.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread Mason Hock
> I admit JavaScript could be a problem with privacy.

Yes, all proprietary software is a problem, but invasion of privacy is integral 
to Google's business model. We should assume that any proprietary software 
developed by Google is not privacy-respecting.


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread greatgnu

Have an addendum -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTbMlBDCgng


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread greatgnu

> This video can not be downloaded because of YouTube's DRM though.

middlefinger it via ytdl or avideo ->




Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread greatgnu
Great stuff, senor lodier. Contributing back my tiny fraction ->  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgOVQeXY0pA


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread enduzzer
He said DRM'd so I thought there was a problem with the download. That got us  
on the long winding road down the path. While I don't see any big issue with  
youtube-dl, I admit JavaScript could be a problem with privacy.


Re: [Trisquel-users] No Sound After Trisquel Mini Install T60

2018-06-12 Thread greatgnu
Well, I don't know if this will help your case, but I remember an issue  
related to pulseaudio on the old Debian Stable (Jessie), in that the audio  
would randomly mute and whatever I tried it would not come back..


The pseudo-fix was to install pavucontrol and then unmute it within its GUI.

The real fix was: sudo apt purge pulseaudio.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with OS after upgrade

2018-06-12 Thread greatgnu

As far as your no sound issue goes try:

sudo apt purge pulseaudio

o/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread Mason Hock
> We
> should use precise language.

Yes, although in this case the distinction does not make much of an ethical 
difference. DRM and proprietary JavaScript are both bad for freedom. Even if 
the proprietary JS executed by youtube-dl does not constitute DRM, we should 
not recommend it in this forum.

> These recordings are for sale on Apple's Itunes.
>
> I think it's a lesser evil to use youtube-dl and download them from Youtube.

You touch on the larger problem, which is that these companies have so much 
control over this information that we cannot access it without giving one of 
them more power. avideo > youtube-dl > satan > youtube.com, but the only 
long-term solution I see is to decrease our reliance on companies like Google 
for information, even if that makes it difficult to access some information, 
just as we reject some conveniences that are unavailable without proprietary 
software. 



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Re: [Trisquel-users] Want to play some games, best way to install (Trisquel 8)

2018-06-12 Thread greatgnu
That surely correct, mr, Magique Bannanna, but it's also true that a binary  
is not free software, unless you can prove it is (this is meant for Gnuser)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread enduzzer

Yes, we are repeating ourselves.

 I don't mind how you call it but I didn't understand you at first. We should  
use precise language. Calling it DRM lost me. Those files are not restricted  
in any way. I can download them, watch them, copy them and share them all I  
like. Youtube has no control over how or when I watch those files.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread intheforest
Well, would you say that software that controls how and when you can read  
your book is not a part of DRM?


I think that we both are getting too balky :) I have to prepare for history.  
Have a good time, loldier! 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread enduzzer

Non-free JavaScript is not DRM.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread intheforest
..So those "recordings" that have a signature meant to be used to prevent  
users to download a video are examples of DRM system that Youtube built to  
prevent users from viewing media. You should consider it DRM. You are forced  
to use YouTube's proprietary software.
Well, videos of группы Ноль have that 's' signature, which can be  
scrambled with function, which is barely possible to wright. They do not  
conceal a video address, they conceal a thing that can help people to get a  
video. So you need to run YouTube's JavaScript in your browser or use  
youtube-dl, which does not by-pass possible restrictions - it simply makes a  
use of non-free software to "help" you enjoy a video. Beware, mate!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread enduzzer

These recordings are for sale on Apple's Itunes.

I think it's a lesser evil to use youtube-dl and download them from Youtube.


[Trisquel-users] No Sound After Trisquel Mini Install T60

2018-06-12 Thread plokoon_morro
After installing Trisquel Mini all my sound related things (speakers, power  
management beeps and microphone) don't work. Apparently, on alsamixer  
everything it's ok. My sound card it's an Intel HDA AD1981.


What do you think ?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread 189 . rytege
Please do not use google and companies... There are plenty of other places  
where to share videos!


Do Not Feed The Google!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread enduzzer
It has no bearing. "DRM" that is easily by-passed has failed, so it's  
recommended to break it. Only DRM that is impenetrable or unbreakable is an  
issue.


You need to break Content Scrambling in order to watch or rip a DVD movie.  
Doing so with libdvdcss is not an issue with freedom.


But I wouldn't call it DRM (with Youtube). It's obfuscation. All they do is  
try to conceal the video address.


DRM is something that hurts your freedom by preventing to copy something  
you've legitimately bought or acquired.


The only questionable thing is the use of proprietary code that is runj in  
the browser or terminal to view or download the video.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread intheforest
Recordings do not :) You are right. But in order to download them you have to  
run proprietary software that will deal with signatures found in some files.  
(just as explained here) this is DRM. You can not get a copy of a video file,  
because YouTube won't allow you to do so.  


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread enduzzer
You conflate things. These recordings have no DRM. Once downloaded, they can  
be used as you wish. No restrictions in them. They can be copied or played  
back on any device.


Proprietary JavaScript does not make it DRM.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with OS after upgrade

2018-06-12 Thread 189 . rytege

> What did you do after Totem crashed to get audio back?

Nothing... just starting VLC and checking that it works with VLC now.

> Did it just start working, or did you have to do something in sound  
settings?


It just started working.

> Are you able to kill and restart pulseaudio while your audio is working?

No. The command never ends... (I do not get back to the terminal)

$ pulseaudio --kill && pulseaudio





Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with OS after upgrade

2018-06-12 Thread 189 . rytege
Actually this is happening when I am clicking on the Start Menu with the list  
of programs. It takes a few minutes (+/- 3 minutes) to be able to navigate  
through the list of programs.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread intheforest

Well, it does, my friend:
https://superuser.com/questions/773719/how-do-all-of-these-save-video-from-youtube-services-work#answer-773998  
(README file by GPast)
And unfortunately they make it extremely hard to download videos containing  
popular works of singers.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread enduzzer

It has nothing to do with "DRM".


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread intheforest
And this is a problem. Youtube-dl may (and it does) execute proprietary  
JavaScript in order to get something. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread enduzzer

Youtube-dl has no difficulty downloading them. I just did.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread intheforest
Hm, both of these videos are DRM'ed. This is why I prefer using avideo over  
youtube-dl. I will try to search for them, when I have time :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread enduzzer

The same Brake song song is included on a compilation here.

https://youtu.be/VvaiXw6k4g8


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Trisquel website isn't translated into Russian?

2018-06-12 Thread intheforest

It made me smile:)
This video can not be downloaded because of YouTube's DRM though.

I am native Russian speaker too! So I am always ready to offer my help.