Re: [Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
Our local Tech site mikrobitti.fi published an article headlining "RMS in trouble defends Epstein – the girls were all willing. They "fixed" the text after receiving critical negative feedback about misrepresentation but the falsehoods are still in the headline.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
This a thousand times over! The apparent crime he did was to even question the structure of the legal system. That is still taboo it appears.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
The reports contain distortions and falsehoods. I urge people to read what he actually wrote (the full unedited thing and not just quotes from places in order to see the things in their full context) and think about it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
> I'd like to know if anyone here has any idea what they're referring to? Hard to say, but he has said a lot of really wild stuff in his life. But, he's always been a provocateur, who views part of his purpose as challenging people on the words they use and on the way those word choices affect laws, politics, religion, marriage relationships, etc. It's no surprise whatsoever that someone who is trying to be outraged could find something to be outraged about by Stallman's speeches or writings about sex or other controversial topics. He never ever shied away from talking about the "taboo" subjects or being labeled politically incorrect, not that I've ever seen. At the same time, the SFC is basically a Google-funded mouthpiece for promoting their favorite "open source" projects, and promoting "open source" work as being equivalent to "libre" counterparts. Little wonder that Google, who took huge hits from Stallman over the years, would bankroll a hit job on him.
[Trisquel-users] What "other reprehensible comments" is sfconservancy.org referring to?
tegskywal...@hotmail.com wrote: https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/sep/16/rms-does-not-speak-for-us/ From that page: When considered with other reprehensible comments he has published over the years, these incidents form a pattern of behavior that is incompatible with the goals of the free software movement. That text from the SFC doesn't link to anything or come with quotes to back their point. As a result I don't know what they're talking about. I've asked i...@sfconservancy.org what these comments are, since they wrote that post to their own blog, but I'd like to know if anyone here has any idea what they're referring to?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Nobody lasts forever
Hey Calm, I haven't used Trisquel in a little bit and when I saw this story, I wanted to see what y'all were up to.
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I would agree, but we do need someone to fill at least some of the void if not better. Someone who has much trustworthiness as Jxself or better if possible.
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This! I had thought about saying maybe six hours. And yes, its not only not a bad idea, he does seem to know quite a bit about how to handle the situation of free software. That being said, I only said nothing for so long, because Stallman's situation deserved I thought some time before we thought about replacement... But yeah, Jxself seems to be the only one here I would say has maybe almost as much authenticity as. He does after all check the distros that are free software friendly. I say go for it.
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As sad as I am that it's come to this, I can't really say that I'm surprised. Even though I agree with RMS on many, if not most things, I've always found him to be pretty unconventional, and can easily see how others find him totally controversial. It was only a matter of time. However, despite how anyone may feel about him, RMS and the FSF, GNU project, GPL licenses, etc. are giants whose shoulders many people - some unknowingly - stand upon. I'll always respect and wish him well. With or without him, the fight for free software will continue!
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I just want to point out that this didn't come out of thin air: https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794 RMS has been saying things like this for years, and only now he's being held accountable. It's about time. He's had so many chances to change already over the course of decades, and he didn't. I see this as a good thing for the libre software community as I said here: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/goodbye-rms#comment-143348
Re: [Trisquel-users] I don't find it in the repos, has anyone tried this program?
hey Beko, what's the easiest way to install Gnome?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
When are you going to add a desktop screenshot to our thread in the troll lounge?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
Well i kind of doubt Stallman doesn't speak for the free software movement. I just think he isn't the only person to speak for it. That's all... But yeah, T3g don't get me wrong, I have no idea why, but I missed your foolishness. Just like I missed Jodiendo. meh, if this is trolling, well played friend. :o
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Hey, I wondered, where you have been t3g. I didn't expect you appear at this time. But yeah, careful with your links, it could be used to potential destroy the fsf. and that would be dangerous to freedom as a whole.
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> I nominate jxself for president of the FSF. I've always enjoyed his commentary and viewpoints on free software. me to
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Yeah, the people jumping at the chance to throw RMS under the bus is worrying me. I dislike his stances on many things, and think that he is very anti-freedom on a lot of issues. But as for software, I look at him as kinda like a founding father. I'm worried that with statements like "RMS doesn't represent the free software movement", there are forces that will use it to move Free Software more in line with the Open Source ideals. We know that Microsoft and others are trying to usurp the Openthisandthat as we speak... (Linux Foundation, Github, etc.)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
Then, please use this mailing list for its scope. Join to an "individuals debate" list to talk about the good and the bad of somebody that is not subscribed here. (and invite him) El 17/9/19 a les 19:45, commodore...@gmail.com ha escrit: > Everybody in the free software movement speaks for free software as > individuals.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
Everybody in the free software movement speaks for free software as individuals.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
Without Stallman there would be no free software movement. In the 80s people were suing each other into oblivion over shareware. As a result of the lawsuits, Stallman came up with the idea of copy left and created the GPL. But left to their own devices and without Stallman's vision and leadership, the free software folks of the day were a pathetic group who were never going to create anything lasting.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
On 17/09/19 18:28, wrote: > https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/sep/16/rms-does-not-speak-for-us/ First time ever I hear from these people. -- Ignacio Agulló · grafot...@grafotema.com
Re: [Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
On 09/17/2019 12:04 PM, Narcis Garcia wrote: > The "Nobody lasts forever" thread already was off-topic. Speaking of that, whatever happened to freedom-misc? -- Caleb Herbert KE0VVT 816-892-9669 https://bluehome.net/csh <>
Re: [Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
The "Nobody lasts forever" thread already was off-topic. Please, stop this subject to not deploy unuseful discussion. El 17/9/19 a les 18:28, tegskywal...@hotmail.com ha escrit: > https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/sep/16/rms-does-not-speak-for-us/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
Its a micro of all the infighting happening right now in the world. good news is free software will always exists as long as ppl can give things away for free. publickey - davidpgil@protonmail.com - 0x01EB3346.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
This in-fighting scares me very much. <>
Re: [Trisquel-users] Nobody lasts forever
On 09/17/2019 11:18 AM, superbyel...@yahoo.com wrote: > Just so the Free Software Foundation doesn't go the way of the Linux > Foundation. > > I nominate jxself for president of the FSF. I've always enjoyed his > commentary and viewpoints on free software. I never thought about jxself, but I think he would do a decent job if he had the time to do it. I would certainly trust him with the position. -- Caleb Herbert KE0VVT 816-892-9669 https://bluehome.net/csh <>
Re: [Trisquel-users] Nobody lasts forever
I just had a peek at SFConservancys page on Twitter about this. So many trolls... My eyes are bleeding.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Nobody lasts forever
On 09/17/2019 08:13 AM, ja...@bluehome.net wrote: > The FSF is now less for having lost RMS. I will miss him greatly. I wish I could help. The man lost his job and everything. It's terrible. -- Caleb Herbert KE0VVT 816-892-9669 https://bluehome.net/csh <>
Re: [Trisquel-users] Nobody lasts forever
https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/sep/16/rms-does-not-speak-for-us/
[Trisquel-users] Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement
https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/sep/16/rms-does-not-speak-for-us/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Nobody lasts forever
I second that. I think we need someone at least as dedicated and knowledgeable and jxself. My fear is that some bad actor will come in and take the reigns. I really hope that we are able to carry the ball going forward from here. publickey - davidpgil@protonmail.com - 0x01EB3346.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Just so the Free Software Foundation doesn't go the way of the Linux Foundation. I nominate jxself for president of the FSF. I've always enjoyed his commentary and viewpoints on free software.
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Like Prometheus' gift of fire, RMS' gift of free software will now be carried on by mere mortals. I hope that the FSF will continue to do great work.
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My heart stopped for a moment. I thought he had passed... I hope there will be a new worthy successor if that is even possible. publickey - davidpgil@protonmail.com - 0x01EB3346.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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I am unhappy for this and I am agree with jxself.
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The FSF is now less for having lost RMS.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Not really for users, but very interesting: deb versus snap
On 9/17/19, ma...@masonhock.com wrote: > whereas there is only one Snap Store, > controlled by Canonical. Ah, yes, I forgot that point. Thanks for reminding me, Mason.
[Trisquel-users] Nobody lasts forever
The Free Software Foundation has announced that Richard Stallman has resigned as president, and also from its board of directors. There are many capable people on the FSF than can continue Richard's work, but for sure we will miss his enlightened steering. Richard M. Stallman resigns — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns -- Ignacio Agulló · grafot...@grafotema.com
Re: [Trisquel-users] Not really for users, but very interesting: deb versus snap
> Isn't this installer wizard FOSS? > This it could be ported to any Debian derivative distro. Sure, it's easier when it comes directly from upstream, but not necessary. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Not really for users, but very interesting: deb versus snap
El 17/9/19 a les 1:27, ma...@masonhock.com ha escrit: > Ubuntu also has some > advantages, like a more user-friendly installer Isn't this installer wizard FOSS? This it could be ported to any Debian derivative distro. If Canonical is a friend of FOSS community, any enhancement found in Ubuntu should be portable and packageable into any other GNU/Linux distro, and even more for Debian derivatives.
