[Trisquel-users] Re : Trisquel Unstable?

2019-10-26 Thread lcerf

Yes, by default on Trisquel, LightDM displays the graphical login screen.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Unstable?

2019-10-26 Thread behmen
Is lightdm the login screen? Because I've also gotten stuck after decrypting  
the system.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Internet connection problem

2019-10-26 Thread lcerf
What Debian did for Lilypond looks like the way to go.  It prevents newly  
installed systems and systems that were not updated during the past week to  
suffer from the problem.  For those who updated, I suggested in  
https://trisquel.info/forum/volunteer-write-more-regular-blog-posts-trisquelinfo#comment-144246  
a post on the main website, maybe more visible than in the forum.  After the  
addition of the (fake) updated version of NetworkManager to the repository,  
the terminal-free instructions for the MATE edition of Trisquel would become:


Plug an Ethernet cable;
Specify the IP address of any DNS server (for instance FDN's server:  
80.67.169.12) in the DNS tab of "Network", in MATE's "Control Center";

Install the updates from the "Software Updater", in "Control Center."


That last step is much easier for a non-technical user (like my mother) than  
typing 'sudo apt install network-manager=1.2.6-0ubuntu0.16.04.3  
wpasupplicant=2.4-0ubuntu6.6' and 'sudo apt-mark hold network-manager  
wpasupplicant' without a typo.  :-)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Unstable?

2019-10-26 Thread equimanthorn
hello I follow your instruction on a new trisquel mini installation but after  
a reboot
lightdm doesn't start. there is a way to repair it please? 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Internet connection problem

2019-10-26 Thread mason
> I really meant "unhold" (no typo).I do not think it is OK to still
> have the normally proposed version of NetworkManager (well, normal for
> those who enabled flidas-backports) "break the Internet" of many
> users.

Sorry, I misunderstood you.  It sounds you had already successfully
"held" the old network manager version and were checking to see if a new
update were available fixing the issue.

> Either another update is necessary or, thinking only of rarely used
> systems (that were not updated in the past week) and of new users, a
> removal of version 1.10.6-2ubuntu1+8.0trisquel2 from the repository:

Debian once accidentally pushed an unstable version of Lilypond
(2.19.81) from their experimental repo into the main repo.  They then
reuploaded the stable version (2.18.2) with "2.19.81+really-"
prepended to the version number, and have kept it that way since, so the
current version is "2.19.81+really-2.18.2-13".  This essentially tricks
the package manager to into thinking that the downgrade is really an
upgrade, so it will propose the old version.

The same thing could be accomplished by uploading the old version of
network-manager with the version
"1.10.6-2ubuntu1+8.0trisquel2+really-1.2.6-0ubuntu0.16.04.3", except
that I'm not sure how anyone with the current version of network-manager
will be able to upgrade at all unless they check the forum and learn
what to do.


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[Trisquel-users] Re : don't upgrade to backported network-manager or wpa-supplicant

2019-10-26 Thread lcerf

Let us see:
$ timedatectl status


[Trisquel-users] Re : Internet connection problem

2019-10-26 Thread lcerf
I really meant "unhold" (no typo).  I do not think it is OK to still have the  
normally proposed version of NetworkManager (well, normal for those who  
enabled flidas-backports) "break the Internet" of many users.  The problem  
looks widespread: besides those who expressed themselves in this thread, I  
can mention the system I installed for my parents, who could not fix it  
without my assistance, which could not be remote since their system was  
offline.


Either another update is necessary or, thinking only of rarely used systems  
(that were not updated in the past week) and of new users, a removal of  
version 1.10.6-2ubuntu1+8.0trisquel2 from the repository: somebody who  
installs Trisquel 8 and, to complement the installation, enables  
flidas-backports, updates and loses her Internet connection will certainly  
then proceed with the installation of another distribution!


Re: [Trisquel-users] don't upgrade to backported network-manager or wpa-supplicant

2019-10-26 Thread trisquel

okay...

when i execute the command:

$ timedatectl set-ntp false

the result: nothing


Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting an old version of trisquel for archiving purposes

2019-10-26 Thread tebaldofernandez

Hi victor12bn97,

I don't know if this can help you.

The torrent links for all versions:

http://trisquel.info:6969

and in the "http_trisquel.info_6969-TRI_5.tar.gz" file, only for 5

Adios.






Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Internet connection problem

2019-10-26 Thread mason
> If I 'sudo apt-mark unhold network-manager', the Update Manager still
> proposes me the version 1.10.6-2ubuntu1+8.0trisquel2 of
> NetworkManager...

If you really did use "unhold", then this is the expected behavior.
Change it to "hold" in order to prevent upgrades to network-manager.

If you actually used "hold" and "unhold" is just a typo in the forum
post, then maybe the graphical update manager does not observe the hold.
Or, perhaps it will not actually upgrade network-manager if you follow
through with the upgrade.  When I run "apt list --upgradable"
network-manager does appear, but when I run "sudo apt upgrade" I get

The following packages have been kept back:
  network-manager

so if the graphical installer uses "apt list --upgradable" or some
equivalent to list the upgradable packages, then network-manager might
appear even if it will not actually be upgraded.


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[Trisquel-users] Re : Internet connection problem

2019-10-26 Thread lcerf
If I 'sudo apt-mark unhold network-manager', the Update Manager still  
proposes me the version 1.10.6-2ubuntu1+8.0trisquel2 of NetworkManager...


[Trisquel-users] Re : don't upgrade to backported network-manager or wpa-supplicant

2019-10-26 Thread lcerf

Try to execute the following command in a terminal:
$ timedatectl set-ntp false


Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting an old version of trisquel for archiving purposes

2019-10-26 Thread adel

"For that reason, in my opinion, trisquel has value in linux history."

And more significantly for Trisquel: GNU history

Sounds like a great project; all the best victor


Re: [Trisquel-users] don't upgrade to backported network-manager or wpa-supplicant

2019-10-26 Thread trisquel

in (something like "Time and Date" in a "Control Center")
where i control Internet synchronization... it is set to manuel.. and  
TrisQuel ask me to install NTP support if i want to synchronize automatik..  
so.. it is set, on manuel.. and i do not have ntp installed in my system...


i started synaptic and searched for anything with "ntp" and uninstalled  
one/all..

packets/programs named with any-thing like ntp..
one.. program synaptic found: ntpdate
i totaly and complete uninstalled it.

but still... the ntp traffic goes on.. ???


Re: [Trisquel-users] how do I increase the available space for this part of my harddrive?

2019-10-26 Thread adel

Thanks for noticing that for me (I didn't!)

Maybe it's from using Audacity to edit and export a long audio file.  It's  
owrrying that it didn't clean itslef up afterward (if that's what it was).   
I'll keep your sudo apt-get clean command handy for the future; thank you.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting an old version of trisquel for archiving purposes

2019-10-26 Thread xliang9550
To make the legacy installation (or live) media meaningful (usable), one may  
need to cache the repositories for those old versions, too, which costs far  
more storage space (mirror servers won't keep repositories for all versions  
for ever). So I don't see much point stockpiling historical images (and then  
stopped doing so). Backing up the artworks (e.g. wallpapers) used by certain  
legacy versions is good enough for me.


Re: [Trisquel-users] how do I increase the available space for this part of my harddrive?

2019-10-26 Thread adel
I wonder whether this is how Trisquel Mini did it by default?  I've used  
Trisquel Mini until now, have never had this problem, and am thinking about  
going back to Mini.


Thanks for the idea; I'll try and implement it one way (Trisquel Mini default  
hopefully?) or another


Re: [Trisquel-users] boot-up USB memory card not working ...

2019-10-26 Thread adel
The T400 let me boot Trisquel from my USB-port CD/DVD drive.  The problem  
really must be the flash memory itself and not the USB port.


Maybe Think Penguin or some other company would sell compatible USB memory  
cards once there are enough Libreboot and Coreboot computers out there to  
create demand.


[Trisquel-users] Re : don't upgrade to backported network-manager or wpa-supplicant

2019-10-26 Thread lcerf

trisQuel is still communicating with the ubuntu servers.

NTP servers are necessary to synchronize your desktop clock.  Find a way to  
disable Internet synchronization on your desktop environment (something like  
"Time and Date" in a "Control Center").


there is guides for the mode-setting in USB to tell "ubuntu" that a given USB  
4G modem is a modem and not a harddisk.


Follow them: Trisquel 8 is based on Ubuntu 16.04.


Re: [Trisquel-users] don't upgrade to backported network-manager or wpa-supplicant

2019-10-26 Thread trisquel

hey 8O)

/etc/ntp.conf does not exist on my ssytem.

and the command: $ cd /etc && grep -R 'ntp\.ubuntu' 2>/dev/null

returns: nothing.

but still via wireshark, today..



15	2019-10-26 10:12:55,145091472	127.0.0.1	127.0.1.1	DNS	76	Standard query  
0xd9c9 A ntp.ubuntu.com


16	2019-10-26 10:12:55,145125415	127.0.0.1	127.0.1.1	DNS	76	Standard query  
0xd66c  ntp.ubuntu.com


17  2019-10-26 10:12:55,145318876   and here my router

18  2019-10-26 10:12:55,147059530   and her my router

19	2019-10-26 10:12:55,147076781	192.168.8.100	192.168.8.1	DNS	76	Standard  
query 0xf23b A ntp.ubuntu.com


20	2019-10-26 10:12:55,147092774	192.168.8.100	91.239.100.100	DNS	76	Standard  
query 0xf23b A ntp.ubuntu.com


21	2019-10-26 10:12:55,147099549	192.168.8.100	89.233.43.71	DNS	76	Standard  
query 0xf23b A ntp.ubuntu.com


22	2019-10-26 10:12:55,147105067	192.168.8.100	192.168.8.1	DNS	76	Standard  
query 0x0373  ntp.ubuntu.com


23	2019-10-26 10:12:55,147109397	192.168.8.100	91.239.100.100	DNS	76	Standard  
query 0x0373  ntp.ubuntu.com


24	2019-10-26 10:12:55,147113238	192.168.8.100	89.233.43.71	DNS	76	Standard  
query 0x0373  ntp.ubuntu.com


25	2019-10-26  
10:12:55,202437103	91.239.100.100	192.168.8.100	DNS	220	Standard query  
response 0xf23b A ntp.ubuntu.com A 91.189.91.157 A 91.189.89.199 A  
91.189.94.4 A 91.189.89.198 NS ns2.canonical.com NS ns1.canonical.com NS  
ns3.canonical.com A 91.189.94.173


26	2019-10-26 10:12:55,202657173	127.0.1.1	127.0.0.1	DNS	220	Standard query  
response 0xd9c9 A ntp.ubuntu.com A 91.189.91.157 A 91.189.89.199 A  
91.189.94.4 A 91.189.89.198 NS ns2.canonical.com NS ns1.canonical.com NS  
ns3.canonical.com A 91.189.94.173


27	2019-10-26  
10:12:55,207369015	91.239.100.100	192.168.8.100	DNS	212	Standard query  
response 0x0373  ntp.ubuntu.com  2001:67c:1560:8003::c7   
2001:67c:1560:8003::c8 NS ns2.canonical.com NS ns1.canonical.com NS  
ns3.canonical.com A 91.189.94.173


28	2019-10-26 10:12:55,207633783	127.0.1.1	127.0.0.1	DNS	212	Standard query  
response 0xd66c  ntp.ubuntu.com  2001:67c:1560:8003::c7   
2001:67c:1560:8003::c8 NS ns2.canonical.com NS ns1.canonical.com NS  
ns3.canonical.com A 91.189.94.173


29	2019-10-26 10:12:55,208211371	192.168.8.1	192.168.8.100	DNS	140	Standard  
query response 0xf23b A ntp.ubuntu.com A 91.189.89.199 A 91.189.89.198 A  
91.189.91.157 A 91.189.94.4


30	2019-10-26 10:12:55,209068393	192.168.8.1	192.168.8.100	DNS	132	Standard  
query response 0x0373  ntp.ubuntu.com  2001:67c:1560:8003::c7   
2001:67c:1560:8003::c8


31	2019-10-26 10:12:55,227552587	89.233.43.71	192.168.8.100	DNS	252	Standard  
query response 0xf23b A ntp.ubuntu.com A 91.189.94.4 A 91.189.89.199 A  
91.189.91.157 A 91.189.89.198 NS ns1.canonical.com NS ns2.canonical.com NS  
ns3.canonical.com A 91.189.94.173 A 91.189.95.3 A 91.189.91.139


32	2019-10-26 10:12:55,227975057	89.233.43.71	192.168.8.100	DNS	244	Standard  
query response 0x0373  ntp.ubuntu.com  2001:67c:1560:8003::c7   
2001:67c:1560:8003::c8 NS ns2.canonical.com NS ns1.canonical.com NS  
ns3.canonical.com A 91.189.94.173 A 91.189.95.3 A 91.189.91.139


33	2019-10-26 10:12:55,250888236	192.168.8.100	91.189.91.157	NTP	92	NTP  
Version 4, client


34	2019-10-26 10:12:55,425531394	91.189.91.157	192.168.8.100	NTP	92	NTP  
Version 4, server




what is going on here i dont know 8O(



Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting an old version of trisquel for archiving purposes

2019-10-26 Thread Ignacio Agulló


 Sadly, many Trisquel installers won't work in the future - because
they are net installers that need to download packages from a central
server that will no longer provide the download.  Even when you manage
to get the image for the installation disk, you won't be able to make it
work.  So you see, your efforts are doomed from the start.

-- 
Ignacio Agulló · grafot...@grafotema.com