Re: [Trisquel-users] Something general and Pale Moon youtube HTML5 issue

2015-09-15 Thread greatgnu
I used both and I don't agree. Xfce is extremely user friendly and I personally find it by far the most stable and "screw something up" proof DE.

Re: [Trisquel-users] I made an audio demo/tutorial using Belenos and Orca.

2015-09-16 Thread greatgnu
cool!!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Installing Trisquel and gentoo on another drive, grub required?.

2015-09-17 Thread greatgnu
I installed Debian 8 on a USB stick when it came out in May and if I remember correctly at the end of the installation it asked me if I wanted to install grub so, not being sure I clicked "no" and that resulted in an unbootable Debian stick.. So I reinstalled and answered "yes" to "install

Re: [Trisquel-users] thinkpenguin question- graphic

2015-09-10 Thread greatgnu
you can software render avi and mp4 on any computer with a decent cpu without the need of any video acceleration whatsoever..

Re: [Trisquel-users] Nautilus will add native support for Google Drive and require an opt-out. Thoughts?

2015-09-10 Thread greatgnu
no you don't. you don't **need** a goog account. you **want* to have a goog account. Commenting or uploading videos to youtube is not a *need*.

Re: [Trisquel-users] libreboot t400 is now available for purchase on minifree (gluglug)

2015-09-11 Thread greatgnu
:)

Re: [Trisquel-users] My new trisquel rig!

2015-09-15 Thread greatgnu
moxalt: you can purge orca without any issue whatsoever. Those are metapackages. sudo apt remove --purge gnome-orca

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on Baytrail based PC-s

2015-09-27 Thread greatgnu
How can anyone be sure if a proprietary OS or application is not malicious? You have absolutely no control over it and you can not possibly know if it is malicious software - you can not read the code. You can trust proprietary software only by blind faith.. I like RMS' definition: computing

Re: [Trisquel-users] LibreOffice: from repos or their own website?

2015-09-30 Thread greatgnu
I install software ONLY from my repo. The few applications I don't find in my repo or that are of an older version and don't work properly I wget the source, untar, install the dependencies and compile. cheers Gnuser!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Secure XMPP/Jabber service, running over a free software server.

2015-09-30 Thread greatgnu
Tox is alpha non-audited software. It is not a safe alternative. I hope it will be in a year or two.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Can I get games / WINE working on Trisquel?

2015-09-30 Thread greatgnu
That's correct Onpon. A front-end for Wine that adds nothing to it. I installed and used both for few months when I first switched to GNU. I remember I ended using standard Wine, because POL did nothing useful at all.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Helping new users choose application software

2015-09-30 Thread greatgnu
Ra -> Elitist? Really? lol. Wanting to do your computing on GNU/linux without spending a little bit of your time and effort to learn apt (Debian based distros) and the essential core utilities is like wanting to play guitar but not spending some time to learn no scale or tabs. I find it and

Re: [Trisquel-users] Midori won't open some websites because of security certificate problems

2015-10-01 Thread greatgnu
Btw, after years on L/Xubuntu and some time on Trisquel i must say that file searches in GNU/Linux systems are shockingly bad. It has almost always been impossible for me to find a file although i knew its name, at least roughly. The searches are so complicated and not at all intuitive, be

Re: [Trisquel-users] KVM tutorial issue

2015-10-01 Thread greatgnu
hi hack and hack. I have no idea, sorry :( Just read you "searxed it" and wanted to say that lately searx.me was getting very slow for me so I tested some other instances of searx and finally set for searx.info. The server is in Switzerland and the speed is amazing!! The website opens in

Re: [Trisquel-users] Midori won't open some websites because of security certificate problems

2015-10-01 Thread greatgnu
Well, it is not much difficult, I guess. Example, let's say we want to find a file named "panacea.dat". We need to give the find command the instruction where to search for it. We can search all the / or, if we know the file is in /home we can instruct it to search in /home. So, the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Taurinus X200 laptop now FSF-certified to respect your freedom

2015-10-01 Thread greatgnu
Hi Gnuser mate! I want to dedicate you this song I wrote many years ago! :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqKcnYWCAJc

Re: [Trisquel-users] Problem with resolution in Live DVD

2015-10-01 Thread greatgnu
That's becauase you have an ATI GPU, am I right? ATI crapPU as of linux kernel 3.12 needs a proprietary firmware loaded in the kernel for you to have native screen resolution (the same required for video acceleration). Otherwise you will get the highest resolution supported by your BIOS,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Problem with resolution in Live DVD

2015-10-03 Thread greatgnu
>See https://trisquel.info/forum/screen-resolution-0 (you can apparently get the correct resolution with a 3.11 kernel). Yeah, DON'T! It has ended support in 2013!!

Re: [Trisquel-users] WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!

2015-10-03 Thread greatgnu
I couldn't help but reply to this, I still find supertramp suspicious glad to hear that :) because the fact is he doesn't even use trisquel, true. I use and like more for several reasons my Debian libre installation :) Hes never used it for more then a few months. It was my main setup form

Re: [Trisquel-users] Taurinus X200 laptop now FSF-certified to respect your freedom

2015-10-03 Thread greatgnu
> 2. a laptop that has more than just Libreboot, I want a fully free machine Wait no longer! They already exist. As I said, Minifree/Libiquity. They even have low-level nasty things from Intel removed, like the Intel Active Management Engine. I'm pretty sure Gnuser is aware of the "low-level

Re: [Trisquel-users] Software installation for Gnubies

2015-10-04 Thread greatgnu
sudo apt-get install appname https://flossmanuals.net/command-line/_booki/command-line/command-line.pdf welcome to the community!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making radeon work again by bringing back Linux-libre 3.4

2015-10-04 Thread greatgnu
Jxself - your work is highly appreciated (as always)!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Making radeon work again by bringing back Linux-libre 3.4

2015-10-04 Thread greatgnu
easiest way, as lembas pointed out, is to write "linux" in the synaptic search field and there select all the older kernels (but one - it is always advisable to keep at least one in case something goes wrong with the newest one) end remove them.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Midori won't open some websites because of security certificate problems

2015-10-02 Thread greatgnu
Hi tonlee! I see what you say. I started with computers when I was very young. My first pc was a 386 laptop when I was 10 or 11. I have used DOS 3.1, win 95, 98 , me, xp and winzozz 7. Vista I skipped (didn't use computers during several years during the "vista period"). I switched to GNUX

Re: [Trisquel-users] Problem with resolution in Live DVD

2015-10-02 Thread greatgnu
You mean that the 3.10 libre kernel works fine at native resolutions (for example the one I mentioned 1366x738) even without the patch, right? exactly so. All the ATI GPUs have always required the proprietary firmware for video acceleration but they displayed the native screen resolution

Re: [Trisquel-users] Problem with resolution in Live DVD

2015-10-02 Thread greatgnu
https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html

Re: [Trisquel-users] Torify my Software Updater and Synaptic

2015-10-02 Thread greatgnu
that depends on the vpn provider.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Problem with resolution in Live DVD

2015-10-02 Thread greatgnu
It's because the mainline bastards upstream decided to simplify the radeon driver. They love the blob so there's no problem in their universe... If only Torvalds showed some balls and kicked the blobs out of the mainline. Linux is extremely well established by now, vendors would rush to make

Re: [Trisquel-users] Torify my Software Updater and Synaptic

2015-10-02 Thread greatgnu
A trusted and safe VPN may ease your mind maybe..

Re: [Trisquel-users] Audio problems

2015-09-26 Thread greatgnu
Steve Blobs, founder of Crapple !! supernice nick! :) Welcome to the community. It is not very clear to me what the issue is. I mean, I know you have an issue with the sound volume but it is not very clear when and how this happens. Does this happen when you log out/login or restart the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Audio problems

2015-09-27 Thread greatgnu
I'm glad that helped :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!

2015-09-27 Thread greatgnu
no need to be offensive strypey. If you don't like or understand my posts ignore them, just as I mostly ignore yours.

Re: [Trisquel-users] WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!

2015-10-05 Thread greatgnu
>You can keep calling me crazy all you want, but you just admitted it... Admitted what? Pills still not workinh eh? >...you also drive away new users in the irc channel in the same manner, or by promoting other distros and non free drivers. I never promoted no thing on IRC. I would rather

Re: [Trisquel-users] Can't install awesome software

2015-09-19 Thread greatgnu
tor website - download tor browser bundle - download gpg signature. add the tor developers gpg key. verify the tar with the sign. extract and run the executable.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Helping new users choose application software

2015-09-20 Thread greatgnu
Haah.. GUIs are fine.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Helping new users choose application software

2015-09-20 Thread greatgnu
That is "being overly comfortable" and might as well be seen as "been lazy" but lazy in a stupid way IMHO.. I don't think being overly comfortable and lazy can be defined as "nothing wrong with that". But then again that is just my opinion. cheers

Re: [Trisquel-users] Need help: Playlist For the Ohio [GNU]Linux's FSF 30th B'day Party (ThinkPenguin's sponsoring/organizing it)

2015-09-23 Thread greatgnu
You are right, Chris, it is shocking.. But it is certainly better than listening to hip-pop or such x_X I don't know about the playlist but it certainly can't be missing this perl -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP-gN1zoI28 cheers!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Happy Software Freedom Day for all

2015-09-23 Thread greatgnu
ha! I can't believe it! I just linked that song to Chris on another thread :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I... (three things)

2015-09-23 Thread greatgnu
First time I hear about a GNU installation doing "automatic log off". Is that possible? Lock screen is another thing.. For searching, viewing and downloading youtube vids I can recommend SMTube. The version in your repo is outdated and it won't work. You download the source code of the

Re: [Trisquel-users] WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!

2015-09-24 Thread greatgnu
no patronizing at all. I did not sneer. If one gives up that easy, he will give up no matter what. I said it 1000 times and I'll repeat it here: one does not embrace libre software and become a free software enthusiast because he installed Trisquel or Parabola or whatever; rather they

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser insists using VLC as PDF viewer

2015-09-22 Thread greatgnu
sorry I didn't understand correctly the first time. Now I see. Tom is right. go to prefs-apps and as pdf document click on select other and insert the evince path - /usr/bin/evince cheers :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Second Orca and Trisquel Walk-through is up

2015-09-25 Thread greatgnu
nice work Dave!

Re: [Trisquel-users] UNetbootin won't install on Trisquel 7

2015-09-25 Thread greatgnu
eactly. +1 moxalt.

Re: [Trisquel-users] WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!

2015-09-25 Thread greatgnu
onpon: true! I knew the fix. True, in this particular case I'd rather send the OP through the "long and difficult road" because I am certain that is the best way to do. And I already explained why. I find your "friend fixing a car" metaphor somehow inappropriate -> let's examine the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser insists using VLC as PDF viewer

2015-09-22 Thread greatgnu
Right click - open with other application - make sure "use as default" is checked and click on evince or whatever. Now all your pdfs will open with that app you chose.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!

2015-09-18 Thread greatgnu
agree. We have a lot of free software. We need free hardware or at least hardware that is not backdoored. Rowe it is for me.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Startup Disk Creator Doesn't show iso after I select it.

2015-09-23 Thread greatgnu
dd if=nameoftheiso.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M make sure you usb stick is indeed sdb or sdc or whatever. cheers

Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I... (three things)

2015-09-23 Thread greatgnu
interesting lembas, thx for the tip!

Re: [Trisquel-users] WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!

2015-09-23 Thread greatgnu
There is a fix but reinstalling the OS would be better, because it would take you more time and effort. Why do I want you to go for the long and difficult road of spending a couple of hours to backup, install and customize you OS? Becuase that way, I guess, there is a higher chance that you

Re: [Trisquel-users] Could somebody recommend me an xmpp server?

2015-09-19 Thread greatgnu
riseup.net neko.im I can only recommend these two and the use of OTR which is the best of the best and simple as cake if you want encryption. cheers!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Happy Software Freedom Day for all

2015-09-19 Thread greatgnu
happy!!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Helping new users choose application software

2015-09-19 Thread greatgnu
If one can NOT learn by heart in 1 minute and 12 seconds (to make it easy) sudo apt update / upgrade /install /remove and optionally aptitude search in another 12 seconds I really wonder how is she/he able to even just turn the lappy on.. x_X

Re: [Trisquel-users] OpenVPN - newer version?

2015-09-19 Thread greatgnu
well, that is indeed a very good solution. I never thought about it. Nice!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Citizenfour on Popcorn Time

2015-08-28 Thread greatgnu
VPNs are *excellent* for several reasons, including surveillance. Sure, if you choose a malicious service you are screwed. I found out about Poptime a couple of months the first version came out.. Best piece of software of the year 2014! :o

Re: [Trisquel-users] diffence in mac and ip?

2015-08-28 Thread greatgnu
I'm sure internet is full of info on the matter..

Re: [Trisquel-users] Modernizing the Trisquel forums

2015-10-06 Thread greatgnu
> the launch of Steam on GNU/Linux has triggered a massive boost of interest in libre gaming. I fail to see how a proprietary DRM crapware managed to trigger a "massive boost of interest in libre gaming"..

Re: [Trisquel-users] Modernizing the Trisquel forums

2015-10-05 Thread greatgnu
>nested posts get more and more narrow and at somepoint, are impossible to read. yep. that's the only issue with teh forum.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Screen Resolution Info

2015-12-08 Thread greatgnu
...and in order to do that you go here and follow the instructions. Welcome to the libre community!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Security

2015-12-08 Thread greatgnu
It fills the drive with random data so that the previous data can not be recovered. Now, that is good if you used that hard drive for sensitive stuff which you don't want anybody to possibly recover. If the hard drive is new (meaning you never used it or used it briefly or you don't care for

Re: [Trisquel-users] quick search function on gnome-shell

2015-12-08 Thread greatgnu
I just read in the Spanish forum a guy is also having issues with the latest version of Icedove. It may be a bug. The mate in question solved it by forcing the downgrade of Icedove to a previous version as a temporary solution.

Re: [Trisquel-users] quick search function on gnome-shell

2015-12-09 Thread greatgnu
yw muhammed! I have the latest version on Debian 8 stable and I don't have any issue with my mail account.. You may also try Xfce, which is a great DE, very stable and nice and as fast as LXDE.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Icedove version 38.4.0-1-deb7u1+7.0trisquel2 fails to connect to OpenMailBox.org's IMAP and POP3 servers

2015-12-09 Thread greatgnu
no issue whatsoever on Debian 8 stable.

[Trisquel-users] Merry Grav-Mass (just too good for the troll hole!)

2015-12-09 Thread greatgnu
https://stallman.org/grav-mass.html One way to celebrate Grav-Mass is to decorate a tree with apples and other fruits. Glue them or attach them, but not too well! The idea is that occasionally a fruit should fall. Put them on the tree no more than 2 feet up, so that they won't get damaged

Re: [Trisquel-users] Can't find how to disable Trisquel voice

2015-12-03 Thread greatgnu
>Having Orca enabled by default for everyone is really annoying since most people do not need or use it. I don't know about that mate. I mean, it is much easier for you to write sudo apt-get purge gnome-orca in a terminal than for a blind mate turn it on when s/he boots into the OS after

Re: [Trisquel-users] Security

2015-12-09 Thread greatgnu
As mr. Bananna Magique said please paste here the output of dh -f That will tell us your partitioning scheme and how much free and used space is there in each partition.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Merry Grav-Mass (just too good for the troll hole!)

2015-12-10 Thread greatgnu
hehe :) The pleased expression of his face.. X_x

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any News regarding upcoming LTS (Trisquel 8.0 LTS)?

2015-12-10 Thread greatgnu
Cool! Best DE after Xfce!! (IMHO that is) Long live the mate MATE

Re: [Trisquel-users] Untransparent Bloatware

2015-11-24 Thread greatgnu
heehe :) a short but good one (that episode made me lull so much) -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqoEUdty4gE

Re: [Trisquel-users] Minifree price change

2015-11-24 Thread greatgnu
"rather high" :) Extremely high are the words you've been looking for I guess.. If you are in the United Swines of AMurica but it here -> https://shop.libiquity.com/product/taurinus-x200

Re: [Trisquel-users] root password required

2015-11-24 Thread greatgnu
I recommend for trivial issues (by trivial I mean issues you can easily find and answer/solution to by searching on this very same forum or any search engine) you use a search engine. searx.me is excellent IMHO. That being said -> sudo passwd root and enter the psswd for the root (make it

Re: [Trisquel-users] Creating a "How to Remove Windows" article for dual-booted computer systems.

2015-11-24 Thread greatgnu
Of the 6 times I used Unetbootin when I was very fresh with GNU it failed to do the job 4 times.. Horrible application. dd is all you need and learning or not even learning the dd if of thing but pasting it in the terminal is something a "newb" can certainly do. Of the 20 times I used dd

Re: [Trisquel-users] Does Trisquel support MP3 now?

2015-11-27 Thread greatgnu
>For example: Can you tell which of these files uses Vorbis and which uses Opus from their name? file1.ogg and file2.ogg Yes. The first one is clearly Vorbis and the second one is evidently Opus.

Re: [Trisquel-users] hugo.io static websites software fsf free software?

2015-11-25 Thread greatgnu
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html Yes. It is a free software license compatible with the GPL. I recommend you bookmark that page so next time you just check there whether a piece of software is libre or not. cheers

Re: [Trisquel-users] Noob Issues..be gentle

2015-11-28 Thread greatgnu
Popcorntime still works but you won't get the pretty thumbnails but just click on the torrent search icon, insert the movie title and choose one of the torrents. Kodi with the addon Genesis works pretty fine too, you may have to click on 2 or 3 or 4 sources before finding a decent stream but

Re: [Trisquel-users] Minifree price change

2015-11-28 Thread greatgnu
I don't know Francis but I know what he's been working on and what he's accomplished. And what he's accomplished is much much more important that what Chris (with all due respect) has done so far. I think Francis' work is the most important work being done right now. We have plenty of

Re: [Trisquel-users] Minifree price change

2015-11-28 Thread greatgnu
I was just answering the quantumgravity's post. Джордж: the price of those laptops is overly high. That is a fact. Welcome to the community! lembas: >Then shut up. No.. The price of those laptops is indeed very very high. I have the right to express my opinion. I won't shut up. Who are

Re: [Trisquel-users] Untransparent Bloatware

2015-11-17 Thread greatgnu
The whole point of Trisquel is to make it trivially easy for everybody to use their computer in complete freedom. If you need non-free software for whatever reason you should choose one of the 1000 distros of GNU that ship non-free software in their repositories. Trisquel does not "decide

Re: [Trisquel-users] anyone heard of nitrokey?

2015-11-18 Thread greatgnu
Hmm. You mean this usb flash drive's firmware is libre?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Does replicant support 3G/4G on any devices?

2015-11-18 Thread greatgnu
well said Gnuser. And you are not paranoid. +1

Re: [Trisquel-users] anyone heard of nitrokey?

2015-11-20 Thread greatgnu
tx for the link alimiracle :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to start questioning Trisquel's longevity

2015-11-20 Thread greatgnu
I beg your pardon Jaded. What happened is I tried to boot it on a potato that is not free software friendly.. I just tried with another one that doesn't require proprietary firmware for the GPU and it works flawlessly. My bad :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to adjust the font size of Artha?

2015-11-20 Thread greatgnu
wow, amazing little application. I like goldendict very much but this one is so lightweight and simple and I really like it. It gives you just the definition and the relatives below. Awesome.

Re: [Trisquel-users] beagleboardblack fully free software?

2015-11-20 Thread greatgnu
Well, the EC firmware being able to capture your keystrokes and the hard drive firmware potentially containing a full OS on its own are scary things and it may very well be that all PC implement those malicious features, so yeah, until we have a computer that is completely libre we can not

Re: [Trisquel-users] anyone heard of nitrokey?

2015-11-20 Thread greatgnu
!

Re: [Trisquel-users] beagleboardblack fully free software?

2015-11-19 Thread greatgnu
>http://hemingway.softwarelivre.org/fisl16/high/40t/sala_40t-high-201507111600.ogv Hooly cow! I watched this today and I have to say: scary scary! Tx for the link Gnuser. If you have more like this post mate.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to start questioning Trisquel's longevity

2015-11-19 Thread greatgnu
Jaded: you are lying! I just inserted the live Trisquel USB in a potato, but it failed to boot. -> http://www.currentevents.today/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/shame-on-you4.jpg

Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to start questioning Trisquel's longevity

2015-11-19 Thread greatgnu
>In my view, it's easy to make debian userfriendly nowadays. Debian Jessie stable has been my main and only distro since it was released at the end of April. There is no need to make it user-friendly for it is user-friendly by default.. >You add synaptic Installed by default on Jessie.

Re: [Trisquel-users] My personal setup of Trisquel using Xfce

2015-11-21 Thread greatgnu
tx for the list vpincini. rich list indeed. +1

Re: [Trisquel-users] Issue removing Apparmor

2015-11-22 Thread greatgnu
I asked because you mentioned being a novice. Apparmor is much easier to understand than selinux and both do the same thing. Removing apparmor should not remove the DE AFAIK. cheers

Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot Install Scribus

2015-11-22 Thread greatgnu
sudo apt-get install scribus (install) sudo apt-get remove --purge scribus (remove)

Re: [Trisquel-users] There is a bunch of ways to install Ruby, what is the proper way for Tisquel?

2015-11-22 Thread greatgnu
That's right Onpon. I have a ruby and a ruby2.1 here.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot Install Scribus

2015-11-23 Thread greatgnu
yes BugRep. Indeed those two are equivalent AFAIK. Old habits are hard to die. I have used remove --purge so many times that it is deeply embedded in my mind.. :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Untransparent Bloatware

2015-11-23 Thread greatgnu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2ViNJFZC8

Re: [Trisquel-users] Issue removing Apparmor

2015-11-19 Thread greatgnu
May I ask you why Selinux over Apparmor?

Re: [Trisquel-users] anyone heard of nitrokey?

2015-11-19 Thread greatgnu
alimiracle: I see. That's beautiful. Are there other USB flash drives which firmware is free?

Re: [Trisquel-users] anyone heard of nitrokey?

2015-11-19 Thread greatgnu
>With that key, the attacker can then usurp your identity (e.g., sign emails) and decrypt encrypted messages that were addressed to you. You didn't finish the sentence: the attacker can then usurp your identity (e.g., sign emails) and decrypt encrypted messages that were addressed to you

Re: [Trisquel-users] EU: All your internet are belong to us

2016-06-02 Thread greatgnu
This thread belongs to the troll hole. It has nothing to do with software. Take it there.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Windows 7 and 8 users are starting to disable Windows Update entirely. Yikes.

2016-06-02 Thread greatgnu
> I'm happy to note that I recently saw a headline asking if the Windows 10 update reminders qualify as spyware. More like adware - it is an add nagging the useds to upgrade to Nsaowns 10.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to translate sentences

2016-06-04 Thread greatgnu
> I successfully installed it (.deb after .deb) on Trisquel 7 but it does not work How about compiling the sources? I've read the instructions in the readme file - pretty straightforward.

Re: [Trisquel-users] When will Trisquel 8.0 (Flidas) release?

2016-06-04 Thread greatgnu
>Hear hear! Plus, if we figure a release (roughly) every two years it's not even been two years since version 7 came out. So 8 shouldn't even be on the radar until late 2016. Possibly even 2017... Nah, we are the **libres**, we demand, we pretend and we want it now, else there will be dire

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