Most of the packages seemed to install just fine, although a handful had
dependency issues. The system isn't currently booting up, so one or two of
those must be critical.
I'll have a look at those broken packages and see if there is anything I can
do.
I'm trying to do the upgrade at the moment, although during the 'apt-get
update' part, I'm seeing some GPG errors, presumably because the
authentication keys for the Flidas repos are different to the Belenos ones?:
W: GPG error: http://us.archive.trisquel.info flidas InRelease: The following
Hooray for Libreboot! :-D
One question I have about it though: is it modelled on the BIOS style of
booting (MBR), or EFI? Or can it do both?
(Sorry if this seems like a silly question)
So ... what's the best way for me to upgrade to Trisquel 8? On my laptop, I
am currently running Trisquel 7, although I installed the full version and
then changed to LXDE from Gnome, rather than installing the 'Mini' version.
Do I just change the repository paths to the Trisquel 8 ones and
Did you ask the FSF what they recommend as a currently-existing alternative?
It is very unsettling how many companies seem to be embracing this very
closed philosophy towards hardware and drivers.
Are they releasing a new GPU that will only work with this new non-free
driver?
Interesting - thanks for the info. I use LXDE on my laptop - has anyone tried
that out yet?
I bought a second-hand Macbook off of Ebay, which was very easy to flash with
Libreboot. It can be done with a command line tool, without needing any
special hardware. I had probably spent around $200 on it, by the time I
bought a new battery and fan, but it's a great machine and runs very
This is great news. It sounds like there shouldn't be a huge amount to do
then to get it fully released, if it is working for most users?
I haven't installed it yet myself, but will do when I can find some time.
I quite like nano. It seems simple and pretty much does what I want. Although
I'd be willing to try something else, if someone can convince me of the error
of my ways.
Which one is best for coding?
I heard Santa's enrolled his elves in a Bash scripting workshop this year ...
XD
I agree with calher. Being 80% free is better than being 20% free ... :-)
For me, the key fallacy here is the mistaken belief that 'software is the
consequence of substantial risk-taking and investment on the part of firms'.
Software doesn't have to be that way. Free software is the consequence of
many people working together voluntarily, as part of a community
No problem, Heather. I'm glad you are here too. I think we have a great
community here on the Trisquel forum and hopefully we can all move the cause
of free software forward together :-)
I haven't tried Firefox Quantum myself yet, but I will report back if/when I
do.
I spoke to one of the guys at Disroot about this and he recommended uploading
the video to their cloud service (cloud.disroot.org). You can't embed it into
Diaspora from there, but you can share a link to family and friends that
allows them to play it in their browser, which seemed to work
So, I have an account on Diaspora and I wanted to post a video to share with
some family and friends. However, it seems that you can't upload videos
directly there (which is fair enough, as it takes a lot of storage space).
But, it seems that you can embed videos that have been uploaded to
I assume it contains the Intel ME (and therefore would not be compatible with
Libreboot), if it contains a 'quad-core i7' chip?
No, I wasn't trying to be that clever ..
The joke was funny because it was mine - lol! XD
Yeah, this sounds very good :)
That's a great video! Stephen Fry just put on a +2 Baseball Cap of Coolness,
in my estimation :D
I was being sarcastic about Bieber being cool, btw - lol! XD
Hi,
I'm just a user, but the impression I get is that right now there are not
many developers actively working on Trisquel. Those that are seem to be
focusing quite heavily on Trisquel 8, which is being seen as a high priority.
So, I think you will have difficulty finding a Trisquel
My 2 cents: I think you will have a lot of difficulty getting Raptor to do
the crowdfunding on their website, seeing as they don't think the project is
viable and they weren't willing to provide a firm quote. Although I guess
there's no harm in asking.
Most crowdfunding sites that I've
> It will be winded down such that it can work on a microatx mainboard which
has lower priced electronic components on it.
I would be very interested to hear more specific details about how it would
be 'winded down' and what that means. I.e. is it being clocked lower, or only
2 cores are
I had a reply from rms - he sent me a copy of what he said to tonlee the day
before.
In summary: he said he's going to ask the FSF people to take a look and let
him know if they think the project would be a benefit to free computing. He
also said that the FSF would only endorse a
It would be very helpful if there was a list somewhere of which scripts have
been verified, so we can avoid duplicating work. Then, once a helper script
has been verified, whoever did it can add it to the list.
That way, we would also be able to see more easily how much there is left to
Good question! My biggest issue with the old Firefox was that it quickly
shovelled all of my RAM into a burlap sack and then made all my other
applications ask *very* nicely, if they ever wanted to use any of it ..
"You other guys aren't going to be needing any of this, are you?" ;)
I have a GTX 1050 on my desktop machine (which I have yet to convert to
Trisquel). Will that work with nouveau?
When we gets the Icecat version?
(I propose we call it 'Schrodinger's Icecat' ;-) )
Good question. What is 'the best' graphics card option that is available
right now, which is fully compatible with libre drivers?
Hi kpengboy, how do we know which package helpers need to be updated? Try
installing Flidas and see which packages don't work?
Sure, different people are going to want different things and one piece of
hardware is never going to suit everybody. I agree, of course, that the
Macbook is old hardware and, in 10 years' time, it isn't going to be as easy
to find one on Ebay.
I think there are a lot of people that do
> As I have stated before, the cpu on the raptor microatx mainboard will not
be
a particular fast one. It will be the lowest priced cpu, which raptor can
provide, which has a
performance comparable to a x86 duo core cpu.
I think it's important to clarify on this. Did Raptor tell you that the
Ok, I'll send him an e-mail a bit later on and see if I can explain. Seems
like he is pretty good at getting back to e-mails.
Good effort, tonlee! :-)
Seriously, we need to make this happen for the future of free computing. I'll
be willing to volunteer some time as well for the crowdfunding
That sounds pretty good! I would definitely take one for $1000 (including
CPU). 2 PCIs seems a little bit low, but I could work with it.
I agree. The EOMA doesn't excite me the way the POWER9 does. Not only is it a
new architecture, it is the first architecture for a long time that fully
supports libre computing. Like all of this stuff, cost will come down if it
takes off and higher quantities get made.
I don't see what the
Does anyone know how up to date this wiki is?
If Bieber uses it then it must be cool :D
This seems strange. Does it only happen with that kernel version?
Things I can think of are that you might be able to change the kernel log
level by editing the boot parameters in GRUB, to reduce how much it is
printing to the log. Or, you could try making some sort of looping shell
script
Ok. Where actually is that? Is it installed by default in T7?
I think we have some differences of opinion, which is fair enough. It seems
that, in general, you are not much of a fan of forums, whereas I really am. I
think they are a great system for online communication and discussion,
especially for people who are not very computer-savvy. Also, for
I agree very much with this. Free software is a choice that people should
make, not something that should be imposed on them. Ubuntu is a good
stepping-stone away from the sinister Windows/Apple world.
You mean, updating from Trisquel 7 to Trisquel 8?
Lol :)
Seriously though, is he not reviewing/accepting patches/merge requests (or
whatever) that are being submitted? Or are there none being submitted?
Is there a way we can see how many were submitted in the past 30 days?
(I don't expect you to necessarily know the answer to all these
Just to follow up on this thread I started a while ago:
I donated $10 to the FSF yesterday, because I was interested to try out their
forum (as well as to contribute to their efforts on free software, of
course!). I went on there, expecting to see a thriving free-software
community,
I'm sure this is posted somewhere, but is there a comprehensive list of what
needs to be done to make Trisquel 8 'complete' and ready for release?
I have to admit I haven't tried it yet myself, but I am planning to install
it on my desktop, as soon as I can find some time.
Ok, that's cool. Stephen Fry seems like a good guy :)
Yes, that is more what I was getting at. For example, Hollywood or TV stars,
or musical artists. It seems to me that Free Software could really use one or
two 'ambassadors' that have a high-profile outside the Free Software
movement.
Also, it's interesting that you mention product
I meant, except for rms and you, Adfeno, of course! XD
Ok, that's interesting. I hadn't heard of him, but I might have to check out
some of his books :)
I'm just wondering if there are any celebrities that are known to use Free
Software? (apart from rms, obviously!) :)
Why does it bother you so much?
> I know Trisquel 8 is too late already, but Ubuntu 18.04 is close, maybe if
I learn enough during the next few months I can help a lot to Trisquel 9
happen sooner than later.
> I have a lot of free time so I can use a few daily hours to learn and help.
I want to ask you to point me on the
Ok, thanks. These all look interesting and I will look into them. I guess the
main problem though is how many places will accept them? It doesn't look like
either Trisquel or FSF do, for example.
Ok. So, is the usage of non-free JS the main reason, or is there anything
else?
I'm a little unclear as to whether Paypal is compatible with the free
software philosophy. It seems that both Trisquel and the FSF will accept
Paypal for donations, although perhaps that is just out of pragmatism?
If it isn't ethical, why and are there any reasonable alternatives for online
Thanks for the update, tonlee, although it is discouraging that Raptor will
not be able to provide specifications. In my opinion, for the crowdfunding to
have any chance at all, they would have to provide a firm quote first,
including specs, price, lead time, warranty details. As you say,
+1 for Searx. Great tool! (but I like DDG as well :-) )
I respect your opinion, FindEssential, and I agree that in the end it comes
down to who you choose to believe/trust. Although, I find it interesting that
you choose to trust these companies who are producing non-free
software/firmware over individuals who are working hard (and often not
As a general question: can Libreboot boot up using EFI-mode, as well as
legacy BIOS mode? E.g. if I connect a USB or external HDD that is configured
to boot with EFI, can Libreboot boot it?
Thanks for the link, SuperTramp83. However the link to the Debian img file in
that article doesn't work - it seems they have removed the
/current-live/i386/usb-hdd folder. I tried that same procedure before though,
using a Trisquel Mini ISO, and the result was bootable on my machine;
Ok, fair enough. But, would you be willing to pay $500 for it, if it's not
giving you any increased computing power over what is already available? I
wouldn't, personally.
Hi tonlee, seems like you're doing some great work on this and I think your
plan for campaigning sounds good. I have a couple of comments though:
Firstly, I strongly recommend going for a desktop ATX board over notebook. An
ATX board is very standard, so most people who already own a desktop
I'm trying to create a live USB on Trisquel 7, following the methods given on
this wiki page and I seem to be having some issues.
If I use the Startup Disk Creator tool, the USB doesn't seem to boot properly
through Libreboot. The same thing seems to happen, regardless of whether or
not I
I haven't gotten involved with any crowdfunding before, but I had a quick
look at Kickstarter. It looks like the way it works is people pledge a
certain amount of money, but no money is charged unless the target is met.
So, it seems like there isn't anything lose by giving it a try ..
I
Everymac.com says that the one I've got (I think) has an Intel GMA 950
graphics chip, which, according to Wikipedia, supports opengl 1.4. So, looks
like the answer to that one is 'no'.
Yeah, they do! There a nice wiki page here that provides details on how to
install/configure Libreboot and Trisquel. Only very specific Macbook versions
support it though (1,1 and 2,1), although you can get hold of one off of Ebay
very easily. That's where I got mine - had to replace the
I'm currently using Trisquel 7 (with Libreboot) on a Macbook 2,1 that I
bought off of Ebay and it works great. Trackpad, sound, wifi all work great.
The only thing that doesn't work is the integral webcam, which I don't really
need anyway. It can play videos, YouTube, handle web browsing
> Specifications about a duo core x86 cpu, I should say suffice.
I'd be surprised if they would use a different CPU chip to the Talos II. It
seems doubtful that IBM would make a custom Power9 CPU/socket just for a
one-off run of 10,000 boards. I don't know, perhaps they would? Again, we
I'm a bit surprised there isn't more interest in this. Would anybody else be
willing to pay $500-600 upfront for a fully open, modern mainboard
alternative to Intel/AMD? Do people not think that target of 10,000 units
could be achievable by crowdsourcing? I admit that I don't have a very
This is very cool! I would think the free software movement should be able to
get 10,000 signatures together to crowdfund this. We would need to get a
firmer quote from them in terms of price/lead time; what the exact specs
would be and verify that it would be 100% libre. If the price really
I've been looking through the Disroot e-mail options some more, and they have
a feature where you can create custom 'identities'. For example, I just made:
'wa...@booble.com'.
Does that sort of thing suit your needs? I don't know where they stand on
green energy though ..
I've just started using Disroot and they seem very good. They use only free
software and they say they do e-mail encryption (although I haven't tried
it), as well as free IMAP. They also host a Diaspora* pod, which is cool, as
well as cloud storage and some other cool services.
I had to
I just signed up for a disroot account, because it looks really good and they
seem to link in with Diaspora as well, which I want to try as an alternative
to FB. However, their webmail doesn't seem to run in Icecat with LibreJS
enabled, even though LJS isn't showing any scripts being
Working is good. I'm a big fan of things working! ;-)
Sorry ADFENO, this is a bit beyond my level of expertise when it comes to web
coding stuff. But, thanks for looking into it anyway :-)
Adding trisquel.info/* to the whitelist for the version of LibreJS that was
installed with Icecat didn't help - Icecat still locked up when I tried to
access the trisquel site.
However, I installed the web extensions version and that seems to work ok.
So, I will use that from now on.
> MidnightBSD follow very near this style but he created two levels; First
level, is about your firsts contributions; main developers follow you and if
you are very active or if you make some contributions without any problem
they name you a main developer and you can edit directly.
Ok, so
So, what GNU/Linux distro operates on a 'wiki-style', where people can submit
code changes to the production repository, without some level of
reviewing/quality control? Sounds like a recipe for disaster, if you ask me.
Just imagine if the Linux kernel project was being run like that ...
I agree - someone responsible should be reviewing/approving merge requests to
ensure a level of quality. If there was a big pile of merge requests sitting
there, not being reviewed, that would be a problem. However, that doesn't
seem to be the case.
As far as I can see, LFS seems to have pretty good instructions for compiling
the kernel, editing fstab and making the system bootable, after the source
packages have been compiled/installed. Is there something it is missing?
Ok, thanks for the link. I'll check it out :-)
I find it quite astounding that just one person is supporting this whole
distro. Although, at the same time, it's also a bit worrying that the project
is so dependent on that same person. And, as well as Trisquel, one of the
posters above mentioned that he is also responsible for Icecat and
Is anybody helping Ruben with Trisquel 8, or is he basically doing it
himself?
I know this isn't a Trisquel question, but I'm currently going through the
Linux From Scratch guide to build my own system, as it seems like fun and I'm
interested to learn more about what goes on 'under the hood' of GNU/Linux.
Obviously, I want to make it without non-free software, so I'm
I'll give that a try and see. Thanks! :-)
Hi nickylodeon, thanks for your input. I had to disable it because otherwise
I couldn't access this site, as the browser kept on freezing. However, I will
try adding trisquel.info to the whitelist and some of the other suggestions
on here and see if that helps.
I'm running Trisquel 7 on my laptop (a librebooted Macbook 2,1).
So, to come back to my original (possibly misunderstood) question, which I
will try to clarify:
When compiling a piece of software from source, can the configure script tell
whether or not I have systemd installed on my machine, without me having to
install a separate widget to tell me
Well, I didn't say 'Debian package' or 'binary package'. If I download the
git repository of source code for an application and compile/install it
myself, couldn't that also be considered a 'package' of software? If not,
then perhaps I used the term 'package' in an unusual way, which may
I've read back through the comments here, and it seems like we have actually
been talking about two completely different things. That might be where the
confusion is arising ;)
> No, when you're referring to what Debian package require in order to be
installed, you're talking about packages. Compiling is not even involved in
that process.
When did I mention Debian packages? I have only ever been talking here about
compilation of software from source. I repeat, I
Yes, I understand that, but you don't seem to be addressing my point. I'm not
talking about package/distro maintainers, I'm talking about the process of
compiling software in general. E.g. if I was to download a source package and
compile/install it myself on my machine.
Is not the whole
Well, my previous post was a bit 'tongue-in-cheek' ;-)
I have to admit that I'm not exactly the world's most experienced programmer,
but according to this Wikipedia article, 'many programming languages support
conditional compilation', which I assume would allow them to conditionally
My biggest problem with systemd is that they skipped systems A, B and C ..
>:(
I just saw the news article about this by the FSF and I agree this is very
exciting! I would love to buy the single-cpu board for my home desktop, but
it's probably doubtful that my wife would let me spend $2300 on it. :P
I sincerely wish these guys every success with it though, as this is
My understanding is that Trisquel 8 is going to use systemd, given that its
upstream source (Ubuntu) has moved to it.
Is there any estimate on how far away we are from a fully-released Trisquel 8
(e.g. a rough % complete, or expected release date)?
It was Calmstorm that suggested above that there were unnecessary
dependencies:
> seriously, why should every package even ones that don't require it be
dependent on systemd...
I then said, *if* that is the case, then it is bad and shouldn't be
happening. I have no idea what specific
So, for those that don't like/want systemd, what are the viable alternatives?
Seems like Upstart isn't being maintained any more, right?
Cool! :-D
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