Re: [Trisquel-users] IceDove / e-mail client

2017-07-24 Thread greatgnu

>Wasn't claws-mail forked from sylpheed?

I was under the same impression. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] IceDove / e-mail client

2017-07-24 Thread Libremind
> Wasn't claws-mail forked from sylpheed? 

Yes.
In 2005, Sylpheed was forked to create Sylpheed-Claws, now known as Claws Mail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylpheed


Re: [Trisquel-users] IceDove / e-mail client

2017-07-24 Thread mappack
Wasn't claws-mail forked from sylpheed? 


Re: [Trisquel-users] IceDove / e-mail client

2017-07-24 Thread masonhock
If you're still trying to use Gmail with IceDove without "allowing less  
secure apps" in Gmail, you can enable 2-step Verification in Gmail


https://www.google.com/landing/2step/

and then set up an App Password

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en

to use in IceDove. I just did this to resolve the same issue in Evolution.

Note that setting up 2-step Verification will require you to temporarily  
enable JavaScript in Gmail. I'm willing to make compromises like this that I  
only have to do once and facilitate my transition to free software, but RMS  
might not approve.


Re: [Trisquel-users] IceDove / e-mail client

2017-07-24 Thread Libremind
> Can't stand the name and icon.  Looks evil.  Why do so many free
> software programs and projects unnecessarily insist on choosing
> off-putting, alienating, and bizarre names and icons??

I don't know, you should ask to the project developers.
Anyway i don't mind it, it's a great email client that does it's job, maybe a 
better name and icon would be more appealing for most users.
Most free software project are more about code than design, unfortunately 
propietary jails are more about design than freedom, security etc.



Re: [Trisquel-users] IceDove / e-mail client

2017-07-24 Thread leoo
Can't stand the name and icon.  Looks evil.  Why do so many free software  
programs and projects unnecessarily insist on choosing off-putting,  
alienating, and bizarre names and icons??


Re: [Trisquel-users] IceDove / e-mail client

2017-07-24 Thread Libremind
> Yeah, the version in Stretch is 45.8.0
> 
> May I recommend a great client, one that is so much better than any  
> thunderdove?
> 
> clawsmail FTW !
> 
> http://www.claws-mail.org/
> 
> (it's in ur repo)

Yes claws-mail is a great mail client, lighweight and modular (you add
plugins for extra functionality).
I use it with POP3 for downloading mails and SMTP for sendind, as
plugins i use PGP MIME for encrypt/decrypt, sign/verify and
a plugin for new mail notification.


Re: [Trisquel-users] IceDove / e-mail client

2017-07-24 Thread greatgnu

Yeah, the version in Stretch is 45.8.0

May I recommend a great client, one that is so much better than any  
thunderdove?


clawsmail FTW !

http://www.claws-mail.org/

(it's in ur repo)


Re: [Trisquel-users] IceDove / e-mail client

2017-07-23 Thread masonhock

Thanks for clarifying.


Re: [Trisquel-users] IceDove / e-mail client

2017-07-23 Thread jason

"it's my understanding that the the Mozilla branding issue has been resolved"

I don't dare discuss it because people have expressed their dissatisfaction  
with my discussing legal issues on these forums. But suffice it to say that  
it's a complex topic and has not been fully solved.


Re: [Trisquel-users] IceDove / e-mail client

2017-07-23 Thread masonhock
I had the same issue and resolved it by downloading the latest version of  
Thunderbird.  
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/installing-thunderbird-linux


I'm new to GNU/Linux as well and could easily be wrong, but it's my  
understanding that the the Mozilla branding issue has been resolved and that  
IceDove will no longer be maintained.  
http://fossforce.com/2017/02/great-debian-iceweasel-icedove-saga/


Re: [Trisquel-users] IceDove / e-mail client

2017-07-23 Thread ciarlinip
Thank you for the quick reply jxself - it's always nice and educational to  
read your posts :-)


Re: [Trisquel-users] IceDove / e-mail client

2017-07-23 Thread jason
"we be concerned that Trisquel's repo has IceDove 38.8.0, while Debian seems  
to be already in v. 52.2.1?"


No. You're looking at Debian sid, which is a name for their unstable branch -  
what will eventually become a future Debian version. The versions in sid get  
updated as new versions are pulled in but once a release happens the version  
is then frozen for the life of that release. You're seeing something similar  
happening in Trisquel. If you look at Debian Wheezy (which is currently  
Debian's oldstable release) and you'll see a more familiar version number.  
Stability in Debian-land means "keeping the version number the same." Even  
though the version number gets frozen when a given version of Debian is  
released it still gets bug and security updates and so there is no need to  
fear the version number. :)


[Trisquel-users] IceDove / e-mail client

2017-07-23 Thread ciarlinip

Dear all,

I hope some of you can help me with some advice regarding e-mail programs,  
specifically IceDove.


I am using trisquel 7, with IceDove 38.8.0 installed. Currently, I am having  
difficulties setting up a gmail IMAP account (I cannot get past the  
authentication window, an issue already discussed at:


https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1157498?page=2

Two solutions are suggested: one is to upgrade the mail client, and the  
second is to change gmail's settings to “allow less secure apps”, which  
is fine with me.


My questions for the forum are: should we be concerned that Trisquel's repo  
has IceDove 38.8.0, while Debian seems to be already in v. 52.2.1? [  
https://packages.debian.org/sid/icedove ]
Is there a safe way to install the latest version? If so, how could I  
proceed?


I think this topic is also relevant, specially as FSF is specifically  
endorsing IceDove as the go-to program for e-mail in their email sefldefense  
website ( https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/index.html )



BTW, my GNU/Linux knowledge is very limited, so please bear with me :-)

Thank you!