What? :P
But yeah my other responses aside, he does make a good point.
Jxself, I wasn't trying to be a whitewasher,
I am merely saying, there are different levels of evil with regard to
non-free stuff.
Some are worse than others obviously such as microsoft and google and apple.
Then there are gnu/linux distros that have more in common with linux that gnu
Sure, that's fine, but do read my above post to see what I am getting at.
Yes sir
So you installed the beta image, or one of them.
No, I never installed it. I just installed Trisquel 8 recently, but the image
I used was from before Christmas at least.
> But why I had the package in the first place... I have no idea. I think
> maybe because I installed from a relatively old T8 image and updated
> afterwards. Instead downloading fresh image.
I do remember being able to install Thunderbird at one point when Trisquel 8
was in beta, so perhaps you
> Someone that subscribes to the "open source" view point> might try to
spin such a program under the term "openable" > source. Hahaha :)
lol
Huh..
When I uninstalled it through synaptic package manager it disappeared.
So no, I am not able to install it again.
And when I try
$ sudo apt install thunderbird
I get the thing you have guys have been talking about:
"Note, selecting 'icedove' instead of 'thunderbird'"
But why I had
That's strange. If you uninstall thunderbird are you able to install it again?
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Yeah, free"able". Meaning able to be freed. Meaning it's not *currently* free
aka it's not free or non-free :)
Trying to come up with positive-sounding names for software that does not
provide the four freedoms in its current form seems too much like trying to
"spin" non-free software
That's you :)
freeable
Proprietary I think of as having no freedoms whatsoever or no way to regain
all four freedoms.
non-free I think of as being semi-free but possibly workable.
Example: Ubuntu
I mean trisquel is a fork now of ubuntu. so yeah...
That's just me.
I also think there should be a term for software that can be made free but
not without tweaks.
non-free but can become free.
Not sure what that would be without sounding dumb though. ;)
Thunderbird
> Yeah, in my start menu under the Internet group I have Thunderbird and
> Icedove, both with their own logo
If you use the Thunderbird launcher, does it launch Thunderbird or Icedove?
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Yeah, in my start menu under the Internet group I have Thunderbird and
Icedove, both with their own logo
> Thunderbird is installed by default and very visible in my
> start menu :/
Do you mean that the item in your start menu is called "Thunderbird" and/or had
the Thunderbird logo? If so, this should be reported as an issue under the
"branding" tag.
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Allright, that is really strange.
I installed Trisquel 8 last night (old copy of Trisquel 8 though), and then
updated it and Thunderbird is installed by default and very visible in my
start menu :/
Icedove is a modified version of Thunderbird. It's common to have to modify
programs in order to fix freedom problems. Look at the Trisquel Helper
scripts and you can find all sorts of examples. Icedove does provide all four
freedoms. So, given that it's free software, there should be no
"What else does one call a program that provides less than all four freedoms?
"Non-free" is a common term. "Proprietary" is another."
Just another thought I had: Regardless of what term someone might want to
use, one thing that we shouldn't call programs that fall short of providing
all
This is interesting.
Why is Icdedove and Thunderbird included in Trisquel then?
And furthermore... why does FSF use Icedove and Thunderbird in their email
self defense instructions? :P lol
"Calling Thunderbird nonfree lumps Thunderbird in with programs one isn't
permitted to inspect, modify, or share."
Sure; inspect, modify, or share reflects back on the four freedoms.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
And, thinking on those four freedoms, a given person needs all
svenerik...@protonmail.com wrote:
Should this be reported.
I find this exceptionally strange considering FSF is using Icedove as an
example in their "email self defense" https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/
What do you think ought to be reported and to whom?
As I understand it Icedove is no
Should this be reported.
I find this exceptionally strange considering FSF is using Icedove as an
example in their "email self defense" https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/
:/
I forgot a question mark after the first sentence.
Should this be reported?
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