Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-12-02 Thread fbits
Hi Heather, Thanks for sharing; your post makes a lot of sense. I always read your posts with interest because you make matters resonate on a personal level and help to put things in perspective. This is the first time I hear the story of RMS having to say that someone he loved had just

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-12-02 Thread fbits
Yes, I had not thought about it this way, but it is indeed like any other abusive relationship. Thanks a lot for your thoughtful answer. The capacity of RMS to continue his activism over such a long period is something worth learning about. I like his response. There's a book by Hillary

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-25 Thread i_write_words
It's probably pessimism to think that the gap between developers and users will continue to widen. It's already pretty wide. Hopefully the "open sores" marketing department will just vacuum up all the potential open sores customers and they will be able to purchase a superior product to

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-24 Thread Cassandra of Troy
Certain words and phrases keep going through my head, like "incarceration", and "cavity search", and "death by electrocution", and you're asking me if I want to get out of this alive?? :/ > Still I got this impression. > > Yeah.. Old is who old does, remember!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-24 Thread greatgnu
> Still I got this impression. Yeah.. Old is who old does, remember!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-24 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Here in the college where I study in Brazil I'm also doing some similar effort, although I do this in college/university still. Last year I made an edition of the Latin American Free Software Installation Festival (in portuguese: Festival Latino-americano de Instalação de Software Livre, FLISoL)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-23 Thread gslima2016
Depends on how conflict of rules is solved. The AI can read hipocrates and the greek and come to the conclusion that a computer should be like a medic (or physician) or psychologist of the mankind. The computer can understand that if she is not doing physical harm (she is not killing

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-23 Thread contact
@gslima Humans program AI, so we still have a chance to encode some values into it, if AI ever becomes a serious thing. Take for example Asimov's law for robots. "A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm." Something similar can be programmed into the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-23 Thread gslima2016
What I see in future is a little dark, but also with a good possibility. Non-supervised Artificial inteligence will conclude the only way to solve the human problem is to be against government and bad big corporations, because of ubiquity of surveillance and so many rules to follow, beyond

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-23 Thread contact
This is a good book on that topic: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/fsfs/rms-essays.pdf People buy the things that fbit mentions because they do not know any better and/or conditioning. If part of the RMS' books can be distilled into some more digestable format to explain to people the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-23 Thread shiretoko
"I am old. " Don't get me wrong, but you're saying this in almost all of your posts, litteraly. And I'm far from reading every single post on this forum, I only scan them briefly. Still I got this impression. Maybe you're taking this whole age-thing a bit too important?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-23 Thread masonhock
Thanks for sharing this. I hope you know what a positive force you are in this forum.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-23 Thread masonhock
A relationship with the developer of or company controlling a piece of proprietary software is like any other abusive relationship. Often, the relationship is perpetuated by emotional or practical dependence on perpetrator, sometimes to the point that the victim will defend their abuser.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-22 Thread greatgnu
Pessimism is not realism and realism is: people, most of them, don't care and the trend is certainly not going to stop or slow down, it will actually explode more. I agree with the point expressed in the book "The transparent society" - surveillance is here to stay. Whether the peasants will

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-22 Thread Cassandra of Troy
Those of us who are struggling with these issues probably have family members who would not get past your first intelligently well written posts and would just see the tl;dr as "Oh no, I'll bet anything my dingbat dumb blonde daughter Heather posts there! Google, make me a sammich and forward that

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-22 Thread fbits
Hi I. Khider, We can do both simultaneously if you post a new topic with your concerns. I have never had an issue with anyone on this site though -- moderator or otherwise -- so I don't know if I will have anything to contribute. Have a nice day.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-22 Thread contact
Oh darling, before we get into that. Let us first address the behaviour of Trisquel site runners. Let them observe their own terms and conditions before we start pointing fingers via this site elsewhere. : - )

[Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

2017-11-22 Thread fbits
tl;dr Given the continued trends of proprietary software and surveillance technologies, what is strategically the best course of action for those of us who care -- not only from an individual perspective, but also in terms of the wider harmful effects of these technologies to the fabric